Requirement for Non O using THB 65,000 transferred monthly

[SmokeandIce]

I went to Chaeng Wattana to convert my visa exempt into a Non O based on being 50 or above and having transferred THB 65,000+ every month for 12 months into a Thai account.

 

However, the immigration officer stated that if I were using the 65,000 transfer, I would still need a Embassy letter (which is no longer provided).  

 

I have been searching and following this and other forums, and thought all I would need is a Thai bankbook and bank statement showing the 12 months of international transfers.

 

What am I not getting right or not understanding ?

 

Thanks in advance

Edited June 4, 2021 by SmokeandIce
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[UKresonant]

What nationality of passport are you using? Presume UK/USA/Australia ?  

 

I practiced doing 40k transfers every month for a while, in case I was pushed into having a non-O marriage extension, using a UK passport. That response from the officer would = No service, I'll ask you for something impossible! ????

Edited June 4, 2021 by UKresonant

[SmokeandIce]

Yes from the U.S.

[The Hammer2021]

Use an agent

[SmokeandIce]

2 minutes ago, The Hammer2021 said:

Use an agent

Yes.  I just might have to but I believe I have everything in order.  Not clear that her requirements are correct.  Just trying to understand

[lopburi3]

The transfers are from outside Thailand into an account in your name only?

You are providing what documentation?

 

It does sound as if officer believes you could obtain income letter from Embassy so how far into documents check were you?  I take it you did not question her statement at the time?

[UKresonant]

In a calm fashion, I would just go back and confirm to the officer that your embassy does not provide a letter relating to income proof.  

That's why you need to do the transfers! That's why the 65000+ per calendar requirement was incorporated into their requirements.

 

Your transfers are all coded with correctly etc and other trivia? (I used SWIFT direct to an FCD to ensure it did not show a bhatnet re-direct from an intermediate bank)

[chalawaan]

With currency fluctuations, and the long-term cost of this method,  I quickly decided it wasnt worth the hassle, as even the 90 day nonsense has tripped me up, better things to do with my life getting in the way and all that.

 

As others have advised, and not only in this thread, an agent is likely your best bet whether you do this monthly thing, or the annual seasoning of 800 K.

 

I'm making a wild and fictional guess here, but rumor has it that what you pay the agent also helps "the system" to find ways to overlook your applications "errors".

If this rightly alarms you, then console yourself that you're in good company going to the darkside, some of the biggest names in the nation are loudly and proudly in da club, where do you think all those watches and submarines come from, Lazada?

When in Rome....

 

Edited June 4, 2021 by chalawaan

[KannikaP]

3 minutes ago, chalawaan said:

With currency fluctuations, and the long-term cost of this method,  I quickly decided it wasnt worth the hassle

What do currency fluctuations have to do with transfers whether you do it yourself or use an agent? Unless of course you are paying for the monies to be 'ignored'

Long term cost? I use Wise every month and it is never more than a tenner x 12 = £120 = Bht 5000 ish. An agent's fee?

[chalawaan]

6 minutes ago, KannikaP said:

What do currency fluctuations have to do with transfers whether you do it yourself or use an agent? Unless of course you are paying for the monies to be 'ignored'

Long term cost? I use Wise every month and it is never more than a tenner x 12 = £120 = Bht 5000 ish. An agent's fee?

Well, for straters, you have the benefit of Sterling, but hassle (time) is money and its utterly priceless past 60. So I wouldnt waste it arguing teeny weeny personal points of order on here bud.

Also, an agent is worthwhile if one has cashflow issues, and monthly inputs could mean the OP has cashflow issues. 

Edited June 4, 2021 by chalawaan

[SmokeandIce]

This is the form she gave me when refusing the monthly transfer method.

[lopburi3]

4 minutes ago, chalawaan said:

Also, an agent is worthwhile if one has cashflow issues, and monthly inputs could mean the OP has cashflow issues. 

Monthly inputs are the requirement.

[lopburi3]

1 minute ago, SmokeandIce said:

This is the form she gave me when refusing the monthly transfer method.

Sorry I misunderstood - you are making a change to non immigrant O visa entry rather than extension of stay so do not have knowledge on that process.  Sorry for my poor reading today.  

[chalawaan]

3 minutes ago, lopburi3 said:

Monthly inputs are the requirement.

Quite, I've shared some thoughts with the OP, its no skin off my nose what he does with that, and I don't engage in 3rd party discussion here unless its for laughs, life's too short to grump back at you. Enjoy the weekeend, heaven knows how many we might have left.

[ubonjoe]

18 hours ago, SmokeandIce said:

This is the form she gave me when refusing the monthly transfer method.

They changed the rules in December of 2018 to allow for the monthly transfers to do a extension of stay.

But they never changed the requirements for a visa application to allow it.

You should try and talk to supervisor about it. But be sure you have good proof your transfers came from abroad. 

[SmokeandIce]

17 hours ago, ubonjoe said:

They changed the rules in December of 2018 to allow for the monthly transfers to do a extension of stay.

But they never changed the requirements for a visa application to allow it.

You should try and talk to supervisor about it. But be sure you have good proof your transfers came from abroad. 

I thought this might be the case.  Many thanks for your input.

[Tanoshi]

3 hours ago, SmokeandIce said:

I thought this might be the case.  Many thanks for your input.

As it stands, only 800K deposited in a Thai bank, OR, an Embassy Income letter will suffice for applying for a Non O from a VE entry.

 

5.1 A letter of guarantee from the bank in Thailand in Thai language (Attention: Immigration Commissioner)
5.2 Copy of all entries of the applicant’s passbook showing that the applicant has a savings or fixed deposit account of not less than Baht 800,000 (all documents must be in the Applicant’s name)
5.3 Evidence of foreign currency fund transferred to Thailand

 

5.3 means proof the 800K funds were transferred from abroad.

There is no mention of proof of income, other than from an Embassy.

[UKresonant]

4 hours ago, lopburi3 said:

Sorry I misunderstood - you are making a change to non immigrant O visa entry rather than extension of stay so do not have knowledge on that process.  Sorry for my poor reading today.  

 

Yes, my apologies as well, I also mis-read, sorry OP.

 

#Appears to be mission impossible to comply with that requirement, for the dis-avowed nationalities ????. But they should know that from when they fell out with the Embassy folk, asking for a level of certification they could not provide...

 

 

[Dazinoz]

10 hours ago, Tanoshi said:

As it stands, only 800K deposited in a Thai bank, OR, an Embassy Income letter will suffice for applying for a Non O from a VE entry.

 

5.1 A letter of guarantee from the bank in Thailand in Thai language (Attention: Immigration Commissioner)
5.2 Copy of all entries of the applicant’s passbook showing that the applicant has a savings or fixed deposit account of not less than Baht 800,000 (all documents must be in the Applicant’s name)
5.3 Evidence of foreign currency fund transferred to Thailand

 

5.3 means proof the 800K funds were transferred from abroad.

There is no mention of proof of income, other than from an Embassy.

I have been using "income" method last 5 years. First 2 I had a letter from embassy (Australian) then they stopped. All I needed was a yearly bank statement indicating an international transfer (FTT) of at least 65,000. 2 years ago immigration wanted to know where the money come from in Australia. I don't get a pension but draw down on my investments. So a bit more stuffing around to get them. Last year I had it all ready and they did not want, only to see the FTT of 65k each month.

[lopburi3]

6 minutes ago, Dazinoz said:

I have been using "income" method last 5 years. First 2 I had a letter from embassy (Australian) then they stopped. All I needed was a yearly bank statement indicating an international transfer (FTT) of at least 65,000. 2 years ago immigration wanted to know where the money come from in Australia. I don't get a pension but draw down on my investments. So a bit more stuffing around to get them. Last year I had it all ready and they did not want, only to see the FTT of 65k each month.

OP needs to obtain a 90 day non immigrant O visa entry - there is no provision to use monthly income for that without an Embassy letter if using income method.  For extensions of stay the 65k per month is allowed for countries not providing such letters.

Edited June 5, 2021 by lopburi3

[KannikaP]

16 hours ago, SmokeandIce said:

This is the form she gave me when refusing the monthly transfer method.

What does clause 7 say? A TOTAL INCOME AMOUNT of Bht 800k or more. Combination method?

[ubonjoe]

11 minutes ago, KannikaP said:

Combination method?

Yes

[uksmdh]

I am from UK so no embassy letters available.  Para 7 of that sheet is also an OR also state proof of income.  You do not mention the paperwork you gave them provided by the bank.  To prove my 65k income I need the annual bank statement issued from the bank, the credit advice notes for each deposit sometimes as many as 20 and a letter from the bank in Thai showing stating my deposits come from abroad.  A copy of my updated passbook showing the account is still active.  Not every deposit I make is shown in the passbook because I only update it maybe twice a year.  I also take my company pension statement to show the source.  As long as the thickness of the paperwork you supply them with is around 3/4 to 1 inch thick I am sure you will succeed.

Edited June 5, 2021 by uksmdh
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[Tanoshi]

15 minutes ago, KannikaP said:

What does clause 7 say? A TOTAL INCOME AMOUNT of Bht 800k or more. Combination method?

7. Evidence of deposited money under Clause 5 and evidence of income under Clause 6 (for one year) showing the total amount not less than Baht 800,000

 

Combination method, but the income part would still need to be in the form of an Embassy Income letter. For US, UK and Australian nationals it's impossible to comply, only 800K funds deposit in a Thai bank will suffice to meet these requirements.

[foreverlomsak]

1 hour ago, Dazinoz said:

I have been using "income" method last 5 years. First 2 I had a letter from embassy (Australian) then they stopped. All I needed was a yearly bank statement indicating an international transfer (FTT) of at least 65,000. 2 years ago immigration wanted to know where the money come from in Australia. I don't get a pension but draw down on my investments. So a bit more stuffing around to get them. Last year I had it all ready and they did not want, only to see the FTT of 65k each month.

What I've said before do exactly the same as last year and they move the goal posts

[Tanoshi]

6 minutes ago, uksmdh said:

I think the answer here may be much simpler.  I am from UK so no embassy letters available.  To prove my 65k income I need the annual bank statement issued from the bank, the credit advice notes for each deposit sometimes as many as 20 and a letter from the bank in Thai showing stating my deposits come from abroad.  A copy of my updated passbook showing the account is still active.  Not every deposit I make is shown in the passbook because I only update it maybe twice a year.  I also take my company pension statement to show the source.

For 1 year extensions yes, for Non O applications for those who entered VE or TV, the requirements do not allow for proof of monthly income transferred into a Thai bank account. The only proof of income acceptable is that of an Embassy Income letter.

[Tanoshi]

1 minute ago, foreverlomsak said:

What I've said before do exactly the same as last year and they move the goal posts

You don't apply for a Non O each year.

This is about the requirements to apply for a Non O as a prelude to applying for an extension of stay when you entered VE or TV.

[KannikaP]

8 minutes ago, Tanoshi said:

7. Evidence of deposited money under Clause 5 and evidence of income under Clause 6 (for one year) showing the total amount not less than Baht 800,000

 

Combination method, but the income part would still need to be in the form of an Embassy Income letter. For US, UK and Australian nationals it's impossible to comply, only 800K funds deposit in a Thai bank will suffice to meet these requirements.

My IO is quite happy for me to send Bht 50k per month, via Wise, FTT in my Bank Book, plus Bht 200k in a Deposit account. No questions about where the money comes from, pension or sister's immoral earnings!

[Tanoshi]

4 minutes ago, KannikaP said:

My IO is quite happy for me to send Bht 50k per month, via Wise, FTT in my Bank Book, plus Bht 200k in a Deposit account. No questions about where the money comes from, pension or sister's immoral earnings!

It's about applying for a Non O using forms TM86 or TM87 when you entered VE or TV, not a TM7 for annual extension of your permission of stay.

Edited June 5, 2021 by Tanoshi

[VocalNeal]

Just a word to the wise. 800,000 divided by 12 is 66,666.