4.7 million AstraZeneca doses delivered in Thailand, 1.3 million more due this week

[newnative]

1 hour ago, bradiston said:

This is the best news for a long time. Not just because it seems the production line is rolling now, but because AZ is actually talking after weeks of silence. Ok, they probably need a lot more than 10m per month, but it's a great start.

The article says the AZ vaccines are coming from 'outside of Thailand' so it seems unclear whether or not local production has started.  

[eyup]

4 minutes ago, mtls2005 said:

 

But do you know everyone?

 

And really? Everyone you know has had a shot or two? Calling BS on these sorts of blanket claims. It's either "everyone I know has", or "everyone I know hasn't". It's never, "OK I know a few people and some of them had managed to get a shot".

 

2,609,662 people have been fully vaccinated, 2 shots of something.

 

So that's about 5.2% of the stated goal of 50 MM.

 

 

No of course I don't know everyone Mr Sanctimonious ! Quite an unnecessary comment IMVHO ! So, where do you live? I can only comment on the situation in Phuket. According to the BBC ,Thailand have procured 8,981,478 doses enough for 12.9% of the population They do not state how many have been vaccinated and where,(in the arm normally lol) But with the Phuket Sandbox programme they are confident they will reach a 70% vaccination target by 01 July. "Dr Withita is confident Phuket will vaccinate 70% of the island’s population before next Thursday." Dispute that?

[DefaultName]

So;

Fact, 4.7m delivered.

Speculation; more expected.

 

Wake me up when it's actually delivered. 

[NanLaew]

16 hours ago, Guitarzan said:

The bad news is according to a Harvard study only 1% report adverse reactions to vaccines. 
 

The FDA, has added heart inflammation to the growing list of side effects of covid vaccines. 
 

https://healthimpactnews.com/2021/cdc-3005-recorded-deaths-in-vaers-following-covid-19-experimental-vaccines-more-than-total-vaccine-deaths-for-past-13-years/

 

Gotta die of something.

 

Gotta be scared of something too.

[johnnybangkok]

16 hours ago, Guitarzan said:

The bad news is according to a Harvard study only 1% report adverse reactions to vaccines. 
 

The FDA, has added heart inflammation to the growing list of side effects of covid vaccines. 
 

https://healthimpactnews.com/2021/cdc-3005-recorded-deaths-in-vaers-following-covid-19-experimental-vaccines-more-than-total-vaccine-deaths-for-past-13-years/

You really need to get a better source for your 'news'.

 

Health Impact News ( healthimpactnews.com ) is a website created in 2010 by Brian Shilhavy who is also the editor. The website publishes articles related to alternative treatment , and goes against many of the official health councils and school medical treatment. The Vaccine Impact website is closely linked to Health Impact News. 

Health Impact News is widely regarded as irreversible and unscientific and has received particular attention for spreading false news and conspiracy theories about vaccines. 

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[bradiston]

52 minutes ago, wensiensheng said:

Yes, the first paragraph made it clear. That’s why i said, “what a misleading headline” and not, what a misleading first paragraph.
 

some people just scan headlines.

But it's you who said the 4.7m is "the historical cumulative figure", whereas the article says its the June figure, to date. Anyway, whatever. We await the final 1.3m for June.

[mtls2005]

6 minutes ago, DefaultName said:

Fact, 4.7m delivered.

 

I'm not certain that is a fact.

 

It was 3.5 MM delivered (from somewhere) last week per the "government".

 

 

 

 

[mtls2005]

3 minutes ago, bradiston said:

But it's you who said the 4.7m is "the historical cumulative figure", whereas the article says its the June figure, to date. Anyway, whatever. We await the final 1.3m for June.

 

 

Other than 117,600 AZ doses shipped in from Korea in February, everything else AZ has come in this month, June.

 

 

[bradiston]

50 minutes ago, newnative said:

The article says the AZ vaccines are coming from 'outside of Thailand' so it seems unclear whether or not local production has started.  

 

Umm, are you referring to this:

 

"Deliveries of Siam Bioscience’s production of AstraZeneca outside of Thailand will be made in early July, said AstraZeneca (Thailand) President James Teague, following reports of delays."

 

I think this refers to the delivery of  vaccines to countries outside of Thailand (Taiwan, Philippines, etc), not deliveries to Thailand from abroad.

[bradiston]

1 hour ago, jacko45k said:

Isn't it just..... and where have they all gone? Total Thai vaccinations are what 8 million so far..... but weren't there other AZ supplies, and millions from China?

Last I tried to unravel the numbers, 10.5m doses of Sinovac have been delivered, and altogether 6m doses of AZ, from all sources, but as you say, it doesn't quite compute when set against jabs given, which are roughly 9.5m. 

[samtam]

1 hour ago, newnative said:

The article says the AZ vaccines are coming from 'outside of Thailand' so it seems unclear whether or not local production has started.  

 

I'm not clear from this announcement which is probably deliberately vague, whether the 1.6m delivered "this week" is followed by 10m every month in July, August, September, October, November, plus 5m in December....(6m + 50m = 56m).

[bradiston]

8 minutes ago, mtls2005 said:

 

 

Other than 117,600 AZ doses shipped in from Korea in February, everything else AZ has come in this month, June.

 

 

Yes, I'd go along with that, if yesterday's infographic is to be believed:

2,938,154 first shots since June 7th

3,036,651 first shots since February ??

44,513 second shots since June 7th

57,187 second shots since February ??

 

Giving a June total of 2,982,667 jabs given.

 

So there appears to be a surplus of about 1.7m somewhere, if the 4.7m figure of doses received is to be believed. Oohhh, my head hurts...

[jacko45k]

1 hour ago, bradiston said:

Last I tried to unravel the numbers, 10.5m doses of Sinovac have been delivered, and altogether 6m doses of AZ, from all sources, but as you say, it doesn't quite compute when set against jabs given, which are roughly 9.5m. 

Glad it isn't just me being paranoid, skeptical, cynical or whatever. ????

[herfiehandbag]

3 hours ago, bradiston said:

I searched too and found nothing on numerous sites. I even rang them here in Thailand and got number unavailable, so rang the UK head office. The guy listened attentively as I explained how potentially damaging the current situation and lack of updates or any sort of information was to AZ. He thanked me for my comments and said someone would get back to me. As has been observed by another poster, the origin of the AZ shots here is shrouded in mystery. I was cheered by yesterday's announcement as it seemed to draw a line under the previous ambiguous announcements, and state in plain English the plan for the rest of the year. Even if it falls short, at least it gives us some figures to track. Maybe!

 

A final note. AZ originally approached the Taiwanese government to discuss them producing the vaccine for SE Asia, but AZ were requesting 300,000,000 doses, which the Taiwanese said was beyond their capacity. They offered 100,000,000 but seems AZ weren't happy with that. Now Taiwan is experiencing serious supply problems with very few of their citizens vaccinated. AZ seems to be at the heart of many supply chain fxxx ups. Bad management, bad decisions.

I should imagine that Astra Zeneca are fed up to the back teeth with the antics here in Thailand, and bitterly regret getting involved. I should also imagine, since doubtless these companies talk to each other, and certainly use various specialised consultancies before undertaking any sort of schemes such as these (I used to know a couple of people who worked for one) that it will be a long time before anyone dreams of any similar deals with Thailand.

Edited June 29, 2021 by herfiehandbag

[newnative]

1 hour ago, bradiston said:

 

Umm, are you referring to this:

 

"Deliveries of Siam Bioscience’s production of AstraZeneca outside of Thailand will be made in early July, said AstraZeneca (Thailand) President James Teague, following reports of delays."

 

I think this refers to the delivery of  vaccines to countries outside of Thailand (Taiwan, Philippines, etc), not deliveries to Thailand from abroad.

    I read it to mean the AZ vaccine was coming to Thailand to make up for the shortage in local production.  We have not much about how the local production is going--unless I missed it in the news.  

[wensiensheng]

2 hours ago, bradiston said:

But it's you who said the 4.7m is "the historical cumulative figure", whereas the article says its the June figure, to date. Anyway, whatever. We await the final 1.3m for June.

AZ has only been delivered in June, so the historical cumulative figure IS the June figure. I think there may have been 200k doses in March/April for the PM and selected persons.

 

if the final 1.3 million is coming in June, it’s coming today or tomorrow. I’m not holding my breath particularly given inherent demand. It will be used  up within 3/4 days.

[wensiensheng]

1 hour ago, bradiston said:

Yes, I'd go along with that, if yesterday's infographic is to be believed:

2,938,154 first shots since June 7th

3,036,651 first shots since February ??

44,513 second shots since June 7th

57,187 second shots since February ??

 

Giving a June total of 2,982,667 jabs given.

 

So there appears to be a surplus of about 1.7m somewhere, if the 4.7m figure of doses received is to be believed. Oohhh, my head hurts...

Maybe held back for second jabs? Usually a stockpile is maintained for that purpose I think.

[unblocktheplanet]

Let's analyse the info. "4.7 million doses" of AZ were delivered to the "Public Health Ministry" "this week".

 

They must be imported doses because Siam BS will not deliver until "early July".

 

So why did we suffer through a June 7 rollout that never happened?!?

[placeholder]

17 minutes ago, unblocktheplanet said:

Let's analyse the info. "4.7 million doses" of AZ were delivered to the "Public Health Ministry" "this week".

 

They must be imported doses because Siam BS will not deliver until "early July".

 

So why did we suffer through a June 7 rollout that never happened?!?

Why do you keep pushing this false narrative about the AZ vaccine not yet being produced in Thailand? The article is very straightforward and says nothing at all like what you claim it does.

Here's what the article says about July

"Deliveries of Siam Bioscience’s production of AstraZeneca outside of Thailand will be made in early July, said AstraZeneca (Thailand) President James Teague, following reports of delays."

It's got nothing to do with delivering vaccines inside of Thailand.

[unblocktheplanet]

18 minutes ago, placeholder said:

Why do you keep pushing this false narrative about the AZ vaccine not yet being produced in Thailand? The article is very straightforward and says nothing at all like what you claim it does.

said AstraZeneca (Thailand) President James Teague, following reports of delays."

 

It's got nothing to do with delivering vaccines inside of Thailand.

'Kay. Read the AZ vax bottles & talk to the staff at any vax centre. All the AZ so far has been imported. (I would love to be proved wrong!)

[placeholder]

1 minute ago, unblocktheplanet said:

'Kay. Read the AZ vax bottles & talk to the staff at any vax centre. All the AZ so far has been imported. (I would love to be proved wrong!)

How many vax centers have you been to? Apparently, all of them since you claim that "the staff at any vax centre" will support your case. No one denies that AZ vaccine was imported. And that it was in the pipeline first. But it's beyond bizarre to believe that there's some kind of massive fraud being perpetrated that is countenanced by the Astra Zeneca corporation.

 

Thailand Debuts Locally Made AstraZeneca, But Supplies Are Tight

https://www.voanews.com/covid-19-pandemic/thailand-debuts-locally-made-astrazeneca-supplies-are-tight

[jacko45k]

4 hours ago, herfiehandbag said:

I should imagine that Astra Zeneca are fed up to the back teeth

They got messed about more than Carlsberg......

 

[kingstonkid]

8 hours ago, Patong2021 said:

 Are you living in a crowded dwelling with poor sanitation such as a communal wash facility or toilet?

Must you go out everyday to a job where you come in contact with many people, e.g. 7-11 clerk?

Do you provide  medical care to  people who may have been exposed?

Are you  one of the many  Thais who are financially insecure, living from one pay or begging  period to the next?

those are  high risk people.

 

A farang who lives in a  private dwelling with private toilet and wash facilities, who has access to  health care and good nutrition, who can self isolate and is not subject to the physical and emotional stress of poverty is not as high risk. yes diabetes is a risk factor, but who is at higher risk; The  thai with  the above living conditions with poorly treated diabetes or the farang with a managed condition? 

 

 I do not disagree about the higher risk.

However,  there is so much information out there and very little of it is outlining anything that makes sense to me.  

 

Most of the people you are talking about are Thai's and yes they should get vaccinated.  However,  you might also like to know that there is nothing set up for non Thais that are working here.

 

As I said I have come to the point that I know I will not get vaccinated before my 80th birthday.

That way anything is an improvement but I am giving them 15 years to get their <deleted> together.

 

[bradiston]

3 hours ago, unblocktheplanet said:

'Kay. Read the AZ vax bottles & talk to the staff at any vax centre. All the AZ so far has been imported. (I would love to be proved wrong!)

That is very interesting, if true.

[bradiston]

4 hours ago, placeholder said:

How many vax centers have you been to? Apparently, all of them since you claim that "the staff at any vax centre" will support your case. No one denies that AZ vaccine was imported. And that it was in the pipeline first. But it's beyond bizarre to believe that there's some kind of massive fraud being perpetrated that is countenanced by the Astra Zeneca corporation.

 

Thailand Debuts Locally Made AstraZeneca, But Supplies Are Tight

https://www.voanews.com/covid-19-pandemic/thailand-debuts-locally-made-astrazeneca-supplies-are-tight

It's the origin of the remainder of the 4.7m shots, maybe 3.4m in number, that have been delivered in June, which is of interest. No announcements were made by the government, SBS or AstraZaneca regarding these shots, which I have to say is odd, as usually such things would be heralded with much backslapping and self congratulatory applause. They seemed to have slipped in under the radar somehow. Hmmm.

Edited June 29, 2021 by bradiston

[Forza2002]

1st jab 6.72M, 2nd jab 2.7M, total 9.42M... https://www.tatnews.org/2021/06/thailand-covid-19-situation-as-of-29-june-2021-12-30-hrs/

[unblocktheplanet]

16 hours ago, placeholder said:

How many vax centers have you been to? Apparently, all of them since you claim that "the staff at any vax centre" will support your case. No one denies that AZ vaccine was imported. And that it was in the pipeline first. But it's beyond bizarre to believe that there's some kind of massive fraud being perpetrated that is countenanced by the Astra Zeneca corporation.

 

Thailand Debuts Locally Made AstraZeneca, But Supplies Are Tight

https://www.voanews.com/covid-19-pandemic/thailand-debuts-locally-made-astrazeneca-supplies-are-tight

Just like a survey, one does not need to visit every vax centre. I canvassed five in the capital.

 

While you say "no one denies", I say, no one confirms. We, the public, are simply left in the dark to draw our own conclusions.

 

The media is tightly muzzled here. I would think that extends to AZ Thailand making public announcements, esp considering its Royal connection.

 

I never said "fraud". I said no transparency. WE WANT TO KNOW! Stop apologising for the generals--they do a good job of that themselves.

[mtls2005]

This slide shows the mix, as of yesterday

 

Shows, I think, a total of 3,243,387 AZ doses administered, and a shockingly low 58,544 as second doses.

 

Quite a bit of pent-up demand there. Strategy ( hopefully there is one) seems to be to get the most people with one dose ASAP. Worry about the second dose sometime down the road.

 

And who are the lucky "7" with Sinopharm?

Edited June 30, 2021 by mtls2005

[bradiston]

1 hour ago, mtls2005 said:

This slide shows the mix, as of yesterday

 

Shows, I think, a total of 3,243,387 AZ doses administered, and a shockingly low 58,544 as second doses.

 

Quite a bit of pent-up demand there. Strategy ( hopefully there is one) seems to be to get the most people with one dose ASAP. Worry about the second dose sometime down the road.

 

And who are the lucky "7" with Sinopharm?

If we add in say 500,000 for yesterday and today, that gives us about 3,750,000 az jabs given, yet the figures say 6m doses received, including today's last chance 1.3m. So 2,250,000 az jabs unaccounted for, with the pandemic raging. And the 2nd shots for the June jabs won't fall due until about mid August at the very earliest. So why are they holding back when the whole country is crying out for jabs. 

 

Not to mention the supposed 10.5m Sinovac doses received to date, with only about 7m jabs issued. 

[jacko45k]

On 6/30/2021 at 9:21 AM, mtls2005 said:

Shows, I think, a total of 3,243,387 AZ doses administered, and a shockingly low 58,544 as second doses.

The time between doses for AZ is longer (than jello), at 8-12 weeks.... I have heard as long as 16 weeks, but can't remember what is being employed in Thailand. (Didn't UK drop it to 8 weeks to get the resistance up faster in light of Delta infections?) This will surely cause a serious lag for second doses, which at some point will ramp up.