3 minutes ago, darksidedog said:

Pattaya having been full of Bangkok plated cars over the weekend, no surprise that the Chonburi and Banglamung numbers are sky high.

And long weekend still to come.

Government needs to stop holiday makers leaving Bangkok and traveling to places  from Bang Saen to Trat and also travel elsewhere.

6 minutes ago, DrJack54 said:

Someone that's completely across it can advise.

My impression is that they will continue to actively test but only in affected areas. (Clusters). 

General testing (I think) has been put on slow burn.

Obviously walk-in cases will be tested but only to certain level. Perhaps if no beds available then sent away no test.

Can someone clear up my misunderstanding of current situation.

Personally, I can’t see that he is proposing any change. They have always been testing only clusters and in hospitals. Not much else. The Klong Toey mass testing seemed to finish a while ago.

 

If anything, he is just suggesting ratification of existing non testing policy.

3 minutes ago, Danderman123 said:

Except that the 11% positivity rate is only for testing outside of hospitals, so it is more like 11% of 20,000 tests. 

Also if the people being test must have symptoms that would also distort the numbers.The infection rate should remain static regardless of the number or location if the other factors are constant i.e. only testing those with symptoms.

2 minutes ago, DrJack54 said:

And long weekend still to come.

Government needs to stop holiday makers leaving Bangkok and traveling to places  from Bang Saen to Trat and also travel elsewhere.

It's bad but as one poster pointed out India's rate dropped like a rock after skyrocketing.  I am really hopeful that this happens with Thailand.

Have a good day.

2 minutes ago, wensiensheng said:

 

If anything, he is just suggesting ratification of existing non testing policy

So what's he thinking.

"If it ain't broke it doesn't need fixing"

44 minutes ago, anchadian said:

#COVID19 UPDATE on MONDAY:

 

6,166 cases & 50 deaths (84 cases from prisons). Full details at 12:30pm #Thailand

 

30 June: 4,786 - 53 dead

1 July: 5,533 - 57 dead

2 July: 6,087 - 61 dead

3 July: 6,230 - 41 dead

4 July: 5,916 - 44 dead

5 July: 6,166 - 50 dead <— TODAY

https://twitter.com/ThaiNewsReports/status/1411852349610463234

 

The gap between new cases and recoveries seems to be growing again but by a larger number.

14 minutes ago, DrJack54 said:

Someone that's completely across it can advise.

My impression is that they will continue to actively test but only in affected areas. (Clusters). 

General testing (I think) has been put on slow burn.

Obviously walk-in cases will be tested but only to certain level. Perhaps if no beds available then sent away no test.

Can someone clear up my misunderstanding of current situation.

Remember some 3000+ are discharged every day, so there are always beds available every day, although only for as long as it takes to clean up.

Its strange about the increase in the number of virus after the songkran exodus and all the long weekends but there's nothing to see here its all under control remember

1 minute ago, wensiensheng said:

point that “we do not know who are infected among the people around us.”

 

 When Did we ever know who are the infected among us?

It's the sentiment. I read into this community spread is massive and I add to this that we don't know how much because very little proactive community (not just worker's camps) testing is happening. The spread is now in almost every province. 6000 is the tip of the iceberg.

BMA plans to establish waiting centers in all six of its zones to cope with the high number of COVID-19 infected persons. The centers will admit the residual infected patients for screening and give primary care to reduce the infection among family members of infected people.

 

https://twitter.com/prdthailand/status/1411867425746821121

 

" COVID-19 pandemic, which is rapidly spreading “far and wide” to the point that “we do not know who are infected among the people around us.”

 

translation "we have run out of non-thai groups to blame the spread on"

6 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

BMA plans to establish waiting centers in all six of its zones to cope with the high number of COVID-19 infected persons. The centers will admit the residual infected patients for screening and give primary care to reduce the infection among family members of infected people.

 

https://twitter.com/prdthailand/status/1411867425746821121

 

Because people can not isolate at home due to their being large numbers living in the same house and sharing the same facilities.

Leaked document suggests govt cares more about its face & reputation of Sinovac than protecting frontline medical staff so they decided not to give 1st lot of Pfizerr to medics. What kind of govt is this?

 

https://twitter.com/PravitR/status/1411870077847097347

 

21 minutes ago, Danderman123 said:

Remember some 3000+ are discharged every day, so there are always beds available every day, although only for as long as it takes to clean up.

3000 everyday or most days or recent days?What about today?

1 hour ago, robblok said:

I wonder if the deniers are now slowly starting to see things differently.

 

By 'denier', I take it you mean Prayut and Anutin, lol?

1 hour ago, DrJack54 said:

With recent comments on testing, does that mean that the daily reported positives will be consistently around the 6000 mark? 

Meaning not accurate indicator of what the real numbers are? 

There never has been an accurate indicator, impossible without appropriate testing although some on here suggested otherwise.

40 minutes ago, FarFlungFalang said:

If the positivity rate of 11% is correct then the number of tests can be calculated from the number of cases so 6000 case will equate to just under 55,000 tests.

That would only apply if it was random sample testing, it has been obvious for weeks that is not the case, they only test those who have either reported themselves for a test because they are sick or those connected to them if positive, so the positivity rate will be quite high for tests done, only those in places like Phuket would be showing a very low positivity rate because simply because they are not expected to be positive.

 

It is impossible to figure out accurate community spread unless they are doing mass random sample testing which they are not doing - likely for two reasons 

 

- they do not have the testing capacity and are not interested in increasing

- they do not want to show the actual true spread because it would make them look bad 

 

so the 102 new cases reported today in Pattaya are likely only a fraction of the actual true spread in Pattaya 

 

It is a shame that at this point we can only guess at the actual infection rates making this whole thing rather dangerous, they simply have no idea and neither do we and it seems they have no intention of doing anything different 

 

one of the key measures that other countries will use to rate Thailand's risk is "number of tests being done" - probably the most important because it directly relates to virus community spread 

13 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

Leaked document suggests govt cares more about its face & reputation of Sinovac than protecting frontline medical staff so they decided not to give 1st lot of Pfizerr to medics. What kind of govt is this?

 

https://twitter.com/PravitR/status/1411870077847097347

 

Someone wrote on one of these threads a few days ago that the problem in Thailand is that the mRNA vaccines come from the US where there are strict anti corruption/kick back laws. 

 

The more I think about that the more I agree. The makers of Sinovac are probably filling some off shore bank accounts with irresistible amounts of cash, which is fueling the Thai government's love for the <deleted>.

 

I don't seeing this debacle coming to an end in Thailand until the privileged few who prop the current government up grow sick of their health being put in jeopardy by corrupt bureaucrats, and toss them out on the street in favor of a government actually interested in a proper vaccination program. Or the virus mutates into a less deadly form. 

 

The nations relying on Sinovac, Sinopharm and even AstraZeneca are not doing well against the new Delta varient. 

14 minutes ago, FarFlungFalang said:

3000 everyday or most days or recent days?What about today?

 

“Annual income twenty pounds, annual expenditure nineteen nineteen and six , result happiness.
Annual income twenty pounds, annual expenditure twenty pounds ought and six, result misery”

― Charles Dickens, David Copperfield

 

46 minutes ago, Blumpie said:

It's bad but as one poster pointed out India's rate dropped like a rock after skyrocketing.  I am really hopeful that this happens with Thailand.

Have a good day.

you need to dig deeper, India still has a massive problem but is now impossible to measure because it has moved into rural areas

1 minute ago, smedly said:

you need to dig deeper, India still has a massive problem but is now impossible to measure because it has moved into rural areas

How did India do with its vaccination programme? 

 

25 minutes ago, Guderian said:

 

By 'denier', I take it you mean Prayut and Anutin, lol?

Nah.. those are incompetent idiots. I am talking about the people saying covid is not a problem and bars should open up ect. 

1 hour ago, ThailandRyan said:

There you have it, and what many of us have been saying for a very long time as they have no idea because they have either been to afraid to test or could not have cared anyway, I am leaning towards the latter.  Wonder if this statement and any others made by the academics and doctors will have any effect on the way this government moves forward in doing the right thing or if they look at it as some sort of population control to rid the country of what they perceive to be dead weight and chaff.

I believe the process goes something like this:

 

1. Stop proactive testing because of no resources, or can’t be bothered, or don’t believe it works.

 

2. Get a prominent medical professor to say that the government should stop proactive testing, mixed in with some other bs.

 

3. Declare a new government policy that based on medical advice, there will be no proactive testing done.

 

as far as I can see, this guy is just ratifying what is already happening.

How come I can't recall seeing anything about clusters in the army camps or high rankers getting infected?

 

Have they all been vaccinated already? Last week or so there was supposedly 60,000 personnel about to be jabbed.

1 hour ago, DrJack54 said:

So what's he thinking.

"If it ain't broke it doesn't need fixing"

5555, I think it’s more a case of “if it’s broke, ignore it.”

 

official government policy in other words ????

1 hour ago, Danderman123 said:

I think the Deniers have all deserted this forum. 

 

It looks like 6,000 is the hard cap for new infections, due to limits on hospitals admitting new patients and test kits. Perhaps if new hospitals are constructed, the number of cases will rise. 

The UK with a similar size population and much better resources couldn't stop deaths from rising to nearly 1500 in a day, both in April last year and January this year.

Why would anyone think that Thailand, an emerging economy, would  be any different. It is what it is and you have to live with it, one way or another.

 

2 minutes ago, wensiensheng said:

5555, I think it’s more a case of “if it’s broke, ignore it.”

 

official government policy in other words ????

or in other words, "Nothing to see here folks, just move along"

43 minutes ago, FarFlungFalang said:

3000 everyday or most days or recent days?What about today?

If it’s lower today, then it will be higher the next day or so, as the number of cases escalates, then the number of discharges will escalate, with a lag of a couple of weeks.

 

Thank you for picking this nit, we need more nitpicking posts during this plague.

5 minutes ago, bobandyson said:

How come I can't recall seeing anything about clusters in the army camps or high rankers getting infected?

 

Have they all been vaccinated already? Last week or so there was supposedly 60,000 personnel about to be jabbed.

An interesting point. don't forget the navy with everyone crowded on ships. Maybe covered up like they tried on with the prisons before being outed.

Bit of news that that's not helping. The big chemical fire last night in Bang Na area is causing  folk from Jurarat 9 hospital to be moved. One would expect just temporary safety measure.