Expert: High COVID Cases Justify Lockdown

[aboctok]

16 hours ago, Caldera said:

Calling it a 4th wave is absurd. The 3rd wave, triggered by VIP partying and Songkran travel, has shown no signs of abating. It already had Delta mixed in back in April; what we see now isn't a new wave, just Delta outpacing the other variants.

It's actually quite natural for Thailand to have more waves than other countries. Everyone looks to see who is the hub of waves in ASEAN.

[DavisH]

2 hours ago, BE88 said:

 

 

 

 

I agree, their tourism and related is completely destroyed and for the most part will be so in the long future.

Example of how incompetent politicians can lead to economic catastrophe.

 

 

 

International students are now finding Canada, the US and UK much more attractive now. There goes that cash cow! I had planned for my son to do a joint program that involved the University of QLD. Not sure I can advise him in enrolling in that program now, as it is not known if he can go there in 2 yrs time (assuming he qualifies for the course, that is). 

Edited July 7, 2021 by DavisH

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13 minutes ago, alation said:

Gee, that's painting a lot of hysteria, I know the the Indian strain is a lot easier to transfer but the statistics show that it's not as bad and the original covid 19. Anyway take care Thailand. 

statistics don't show that. The only research on the matter that I've been able to find, and it not yet peer-reviewed, is that delta is worse. Not just re transmissibility but also re symptoms

[connda]

17 hours ago, snoop1130 said:

Clinical Prof Emeritus Udom Kachintorn, deputy chief advisor to the center, said Thailand already entered its fourth wave of COVID-19 in which daily new cases amounted to 5,000-6,000

Fourth Wave.  Fourth Wave.  Be frightened!

Waves sound scary so unabashedly promote them far and wide.  "Wave 4 is here!!!  Cower.  Stay at home!"

Really.  Don't worry about reality like Wave 3 never crested let alone made a trough which a Wave 4 would build out of.
Nope.  Scare the commoners by telling them that the rising slope of Wave 3 is now <drum roll> actually Wave 4!  "Hocus-Pocus Presto Magic Sha-zam!" <pulls Wave 4 out of a hat; slide whistle; cymbal crash; audience gasps!>
Obviously he (and those government, academic, and corporate entities he directly associates with) think that the public are so buffalo-stupid that they'll buy it unconditionally.  Right?  (Well, many will - sad as that may be).
"Wave 4!  Hide under the bed!  Lock yourselves in the closet!
Delta! Delta! Delta!!!  Boo!"
Amazing.....

[Jiggo]

5 hours ago, wensiensheng said:

The Uk  know how many of their population have been vaccinated, that’s what they know. And it’s enough to open.

Pity they did not know how many illegal immigrants are in the country as well.  

[Mansell]

Our Thai hairdressing neighbors that are next to our massage shop, the whole family have come down with Covid here in Pattaya. They are having to stay in their home, mainly because the hospital beds are all full in the government hospitals here. The Thai government needs to wake up and get moving with the vaccines…..their incompetence is staggering. But what can you expect when a country is being run by the military. At some point the Thai people are going to get very angry as they see family members needlessly dying around them. Very frustrating watching this pathetic government mishandle the Covid crisis. A year and a half into the pandemic and they still haven’t got a clue what they are doing…….time for democracy to return to Thailand.

[VBF]

3 hours ago, sandyf said:

So many experts on here it is unbelievable. 

Foresight is a wonderful thing if available, failing that you would suggest permanent restrictions and be prepared for anything before it happens.

One has to assume that you believe the likes of Trump and Bojo were extremely competent when they initially shrugged off the pandemic.

Incompetency is rife among politicians worldwide, only xenophobes would consistently single out a particular nation.

At 100,000 a day, how many are likely to be hospitalised, get long covid or die?

 

Sajid Javid has warned that Covid cases could get as high as 100,000 cases a day this summer, as he admitted numbers will “rise significantly” after all remaining Covid restrictions are eased in a fortnight.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/covid-cases-restrictions-lockdown-vaccines-b1878770.html

But as has been stated many times, the number of "cases" is much less important if people are vaccinated - which is where UK is scoring.

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2 minutes ago, connda said:

Fourth Wave.  Fourth Wave.  Be frightened!

Waves sound scary so unabashedly promote them far and wide.  "Wave 4 is here!!!  Cower.  Stay at home!"

Really.  Don't worry about reality like Wave 3 never crested let alone made a trough which a Wave 4 would build out of.
Nope.  Scare the commoners by telling them that the rising slope of Wave 3 is now <drum roll> actually Wave 4!  "Hocus-Pocus Presto Magic Sha-zam!" <pulls Wave 4 out of a hat; slide whistle; cymbal crash; audience gasps!>
Obviously he (and those government, academic, and corporate entities he directly associates with) think that the public are so buffalo-stupid that they'll buy it unconditionally.  Right?  (Well, many will - sad as that may be).
"Wave 4!  Hide under the bed!  Lock yourselves in the closet!
Delta! Delta! Delta!!!  Boo!"
Amazing.....

A trough isn't necessary for a following wave to be in superposition:

"What occurs when two or more waves pass through one another. Also called superposition. When overlapping waves produce a wave with an amplitude that is the sum of the individual waves. When overlapping waves produce a wave with an amplitude that is less than the sum of the individual waves."

https://www.khanacademy.org/science/high-school-physics/waves-and-sound/wave-interference/a/wave-interference-ap1#:~:text=What occurs when two or,Also called superposition.&text=When overlapping waves produce a,sum of the individual waves.&text=Destructive interference-,When overlapping waves produce a wave with an amplitude that,sum of the individual waves.

[VBF]

3 hours ago, James105 said:

 

Australia have a few problems to solve here due to their strategy on this.   What was once lauded may well prove to be a big mistake, as in a country without covid, how on earth do you convince people to take a vaccine for it?  Currently, the risk of catching and dying from covid in Australia must be an order of magnitude lower than the risk associated with taking the vaccine, even though that risk itself is very small.   

 

They are in a position where the country will remain closed so they do not let covid in, but by not letting it in they have lost the motivation from the population to be vaccinated.   Tricky conundrum really and probably will end up having to mandate its use and that will not go down well in any western country.   

Rather than mandate vaccination, introduce "Vaccination Passports" whereby those who are vaccinated get their complete freedoms back, others must remain regulated. 

For example UK is considering allowing fully vaccinated people to enter the country without any form of quarantining; others may still have to be tested and / or quarantine.

IMO, right and proper - to those who complain that this is "discrimination"  Yes it is.......discrimination against anti-vax idiots! Now watch the Conspiracy Theorists huff and puff!!!!

 ????

[connda]

33 minutes ago, possum1931 said:

We keep on hearing about the 5000 plus average cases per day, during the 1st wave, if it actually was a wave, we were told every day how many had recovered and left hospital.

How long will it take for the average person among the 6000 odd people reported today 07/07/2021 to completely recover and go home?

How many are completely asymptomatic?  Well, at least before they entered a high-density "Covid" spreading field hospital?  But, how many never get sick, never display symptoms, and are simply locked away for 14 days? 
My guess, we will never be told that information. 
This narrative is kept alive via opacity. Feed the public only information directly supporting the commonly accepted narrative.  Nothing else. Provide hyperbole and create panics whenever possible. 
 

[Gandtee]

12 minutes ago, connda said:

Fourth Wave.  Fourth Wave.  Be frightened!

Waves sound scary so unabashedly promote them far and wide.  "Wave 4 is here!!!  Cower.  Stay at home!"

Really.  Don't worry about reality like Wave 3 never crested let alone made a trough which a Wave 4 would build out of.
Nope.  Scare the commoners by telling them that the rising slope of Wave 3 is now <drum roll> actually Wave 4!  "Hocus-Pocus Presto Magic Sha-zam!" <pulls Wave 4 out of a hat; slide whistle; cymbal crash; audience gasps!>
Obviously he (and those government, academic, and corporate entities he directly associates with) think that the public are so buffalo-stupid that they'll buy it unconditionally.  Right?  (Well, many will - sad as that may be).
"Wave 4!  Hide under the bed!  Lock yourselves in the closet!
Delta! Delta! Delta!!!  Boo!"
Amazing.....

Don't make waves! Mai ben rai. Sabai. Sabai.????????I got my first shot of Astrazeneca last week. Next one in Sept. ?? Maybe?

Edited July 7, 2021 by Gandtee
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[GrandPapillon]

well, the only good news is that Thailand is not alone

 

Delta is spreading fast in Europe too, so fast, that authorities are starting to take actions

 

need to wear masks again in public, night clubs being closed again in Spain etc... etc... right in the middle of summer

 

they expect a full exponential growth now by the end of July,

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8 minutes ago, BRUFC said:

Apart from your PS  (and I don't disagree, I'm on the fence on that one) I agree wholeheartedly .Some of you may have seen this already (Mods, please watch so you know it's Public Health England's own figures) and it makes me wonder what kind of 'factual' info is coming from this Thai gentleman in the article. Now, many of the UK population has been double jabbed but you'll notice that the hospitalisations are very, very low and jabbed or non jabbed are not distibuished. You can bet your last quid, dollar, euro or baht that if there was any propaganda value in saying that they were all (or vast majority) unjabbed it would have been headlines in the mainstream press and the governments main propaganda arm, the BBC. Anyway, the video is only 3 minutes long, there's plenty in it to think about and then you will, of course, make up your own mind.

 

Really? You agree with his assertion that Delta is less dangerous than other variants? What little evidence these is point in the opposite direction.

[connda]

3 hours ago, VBF said:

But as has been stated many times, the number of "cases" is much less important if people are vaccinated - which is where UK is scoring.

So if you're vaccinated, popping positive is not important?
"Ok, sure.  Why not?"

^{Vaccines provide immunity?  Vaccines provide immunity?  Hummm?}

 

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[Gandtee]

3 hours ago, connda said:

So if you're vaccinated, popping positive if not important?
"Ok, sure.  Why not?"

^{Vaccines provide immunity?  Vaccines provide immunity?  Hummm?}

Important? Of course  it is. But less important than if you are not vaccinated. We'll have to live with it eventually and vaccination is the only answer. I guess we will address it like flu. Go to bed. Take some medication and recover as the majority do.

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3 hours ago, connda said:

So if you're vaccinated, popping positive is not important?
"Ok, sure.  Why not?"

^{Vaccines provide immunity?  Vaccines provide immunity?  Hummm?}

 

Because even if you're infected, the symptoms will be far less severe. As hospitalizations show in the UK. Or for that matter in the USA where 99% of the hospitalized are unvaccinated.

[Gandtee]

11 minutes ago, VBF said:

Rather than mandate vaccination, introduce "Vaccination Passports" whereby those who are vaccinated get their complete freedoms back, others must remain regulated. 

For example UK is considering allowing fully vaccinated people to enter the country without any form of quarantining; others may still have to be tested and / or quarantine.

IMO, right and proper - to those who complain that this is "discrimination"  Yes it is.......discrimination against anti-vax idiots! Now watch the Conspiracy Theorists huff and puff!!!!

 ????

I remind you that the majority of the unvaccinated are not anti vax, but are unable to get vaccinated.

[VBF]

3 hours ago, connda said:

So if you're vaccinated, popping positive is not important?
"Ok, sure.  Why not?"

^{Vaccines provide immunity?  Vaccines provide immunity?  Hummm?}

You are being sarcastic, but if you're vaccinated, being positive is not as important....provided that you only come into contact with other vaccinated people.

It's when you come into contact with unvaccinated people that you can cause them serious problems.

Which brings us back to "We all need to get vaccinated to protect all of us"

[BRUFC]

6 minutes ago, placeholder said:

Really? You agree with his assertion that Delta is less dangerous than other variants? What little evidence these is point in the opposite direction.

He makes the assertion using UK Government data. Prove the data wrong and I will welcome it. I'm always ready to be educated but I'm not ready to live my life in fear because of what seems to me to be propaganda.

[VBF]

19 minutes ago, Gandtee said:

I remind you that the majority of the unvaccinated are not anti vax, but are unable to get vaccinated.

Absolutely and for them I have great sympathy, and to their governments I say "Get on with it".

I also have sympathy for people who cannot rely on vaxes for medical reasons...eg those with supressed immune systems.

 

But I believe that someone here said that many people in Australia aren't even getting vaccinated even when they can because they take the view that Aus has contained the problem. However, that approach will lead to eternal lockdowns.

 

We have people in UK (where vaccination is available to ALL) who are anti-vax for (so-called) "religious" reasons or simply because they get their "facts" from social media. For them I hold nothing but contempt.

 

I sadly, have 2 long-term friends who are anti-vaxers - I cannot bring myself to even talk to them any more - we'd only argue!

Edited July 7, 2021 by VBF

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12 minutes ago, BRUFC said:

He makes the assertion using UK Government data. Prove the data wrong and I will welcome it. I'm always ready to be educated but I'm not ready to live my life in fear because of what seems to me to be propaganda.

He makes the assertion by misusing govt. data. keep in mind that those who have been vaccinated are older and less healthy than those who are unvaccinated.

[riclag]

A day late and a baht short ! My biggest concern was when they announced they were gonna lock down the construction sites in the central Bangkok area!

Many Thai's came back to the Moobans up here in the Northeast!

What was once a region of 30 cases p/d since the 3rd wave,is almost six hundred now!

[James105]

12 minutes ago, VBF said:

Rather than mandate vaccination, introduce "Vaccination Passports" whereby those who are vaccinated get their complete freedoms back, others must remain regulated. 

For example UK is considering allowing fully vaccinated people to enter the country without any form of quarantining; others may still have to be tested and / or quarantine.

IMO, right and proper - to those who complain that this is "discrimination"  Yes it is.......discrimination against anti-vax idiots! Now watch the Conspiracy Theorists huff and puff!!!!

 ????

I could be wrong, but don’t Australians currently have complete freedom, albeit within Australia?  The only thing they cannot do is travel.   If you allowed those vaccinated the extra freedom to travel then it won’t be long before they start bringing back the virus when they return, and other than impose strict quarantine for vaccinated travellers this is unavoidable, therefore making travel unattractive and the motivation for vaccine removed.   Bit of a chicken and egg situation I think.  

[VBF]

9 minutes ago, James105 said:

I could be wrong, but don’t Australians currently have complete freedom, albeit within Australia?  The only thing they cannot do is travel.   If you allowed those vaccinated the extra freedom to travel then it won’t be long before they start bringing back the virus when they return, and other than impose strict quarantine for vaccinated travellers this is unavoidable, therefore making travel unattractive and the motivation for vaccine removed.   Bit of a chicken and egg situation I think.  

Not really - the process is, or should be, vaccinate everyone, then those returning will be vaxxed so even if they do "start bringing back the virus when they return" it won't matter as much. That's what UK is proposing - those of us who are vaxxed won't need to quarantine on our return, come to that, non-UK nationals who are vaxxed won't either.

 

BUT...... my major point was simply GET VAXXED when you can and continue restricting those who don't.

Edited July 7, 2021 by VBF

[connda]

25 minutes ago, VBF said:

provided that you only come into contact with other vaccinated people.

It's when you come into contact with unvaccinated people

Provide me a link to a peer reviewed scientific study publish in a medical journal that unequivocally proves that those without one of the many different Covid vaccines pose a risk to those who are vaccinated  - not a CNN (or MSM) opinion piece that bases its opinion on an "expert." "Experts are a dime a dozen and unfortunately most have conflicts of interest.   But congratulation on parroting the proper talking points.  The CNN piece caught on like wildfire.  All CNN has to do is claim their source is an "expert" and nothing else need to be prove. Turn you brain off and tune in. 
Nope.  Peer-reviewed, published science.  Anything else is hearsay.

[joecoolfrog]

9 hours ago, ezzra said:

27,000 infected in the UK yesterday and no lockdown, infect, in a few days the UK will be open to business as usual, what the UK health authorities knows that the Thai or even the Aussies don't? whom, in Australia enough for someone to sneeze to put the whole city into lockdown...

The UK knows that lockdowns are not needed once a large section of the population is fully vaccinated.

Yes infections are still here but most cases are relatively minor , hospitalisations and deaths are 90% lower than before.

Indeed this morning it was reported that the overall death rate is currently the lowest for 5 years.

[connda]

If I was a science fiction writer, I'd use the events that transpired since October 2019 as the basis for a prequel for Orwell's 1984.  Extending that out for the next 10 years isn't that difficult.  It would be entertaining thought-experiment as well as perhaps uncannily accurate. 

Edited July 7, 2021 by connda

[Thunglom]

17 hours ago, Caldera said:

Calling it a 4th wave is absurd. The 3rd wave, triggered by VIP partying and Songkran travel, has shown no signs of abating. It already had Delta mixed in back in April; what we see now isn't a new wave, just Delta outpacing the other variants.

It's a bit confusing as the first and second waves were quite tall in Thailand..however

1st wave was around March 2020, the 2nd Jan 2021 and th third more serious April 2021.

the 4th wave which shows signs of being the most serious is around now is largely due to Delta and Delta+ variants - when this peaks remains to be scene.

 

 

[VBF]

10 minutes ago, connda said:

Provide me a link to a peer reviewed scientific study publish in a medical journal that unequivocally proves that those without one of the many different Covid vaccines pose a risk to those who are vaccinated  - not a CNN (or MSM) opinion piece that bases its opinion on an "expert." "Experts are a dime a dozen and unfortunately most have conflicts of interest.   But congratulation on parroting the proper talking points.  The CNN piece caught on like wildfire.  All CNN has to do is claim their source is an "expert" and nothing else need to be prove. Turn you brain off and tune in. 
Nope.  Peer-reviewed, published science.  Anything else is hearsay.

That's not quite what I'm saying.

I re-read my post in which I said:

 

It's when you come into contact with unvaccinated people that you can cause them serious problems.

Which brings us back to "We all need to get vaccinated to protect all of us"

 

In this context, the "you" refers to someone who may be carrying Covid.

 

So perhaps my original (ambiguous?) post should have said:

 

"It's when you an infected person comes into contact with unvaccinated people that the infected person can cause them serious problems.

Which brings us back to "We all need to get vaccinated to protect all of us"

 

That is pretty obvious but non-ambiguous.

Edited July 7, 2021 by VBF

[Thunglom]

14 minutes ago, VBF said:

Not really - the process is, or should be, vaccinate everyone, then those returning will be vaxxed so even if they do "start bringing back the virus when they return" it won't matter as much. That's what UK is proposing - those of us who are vaxxed won't need to quarantine on our return, come to that, non-UK nationals who are vaxxed won't either.

 

BUT...... my major point was simply GET VAXXED when you can and continue restricting those who don't.

Austrlia largely regulates Covid restrictions on a state by state basis.