England WILL NOT win Euro 2020/2021

[itsari]

On 7/7/2021 at 8:20 PM, themike1080 said:

It's coming home lads

I do think the Italians will have something to say about that . I just hope there is a referee appointed who will not  be fooled by the theatrics of the Italian players .

[mommysboy]

I don't know if the following link is open to all.  But the video embedded half way down clearly shows that it was a penalty. Whether you think Sterling should have stayed on his feet is another matter.  Also, slow motion always minimizes effects.  When you run fast even the slightest of touches can throw a player:

 

https://www.theguardian.com/football/2021/jul/08/englands-penalty-leads-to-cries-of-hypocrisy-across-continent

 

Pure sour grapes from some of the Danes, Scots, etc.  It was a penalty!

 

(In his assessment of the video, the pundit says 'Sterlings right knee gets clipped followed by a hip barge from the other side….how is that “not touched”? try staying on your feet while sprinting with a ball and that happens'.)

Edited July 9, 2021 by mommysboy

[Surelynot]

1 minute ago, mommysboy said:

I don't know if the following link is open to all.  But the video embedded half way down clearly shows that it was a penalty. Whether you think Sterling should have stayed on his feet is another matter.  Also, slow motion always minimizes effects.  When you run fast even the slightest of touches can throw a player:

 

https://www.theguardian.com/football/2021/jul/08/englands-penalty-leads-to-cries-of-hypocrisy-across-continent

 

Pure sour grapes from some of the Danes, Scots, etc.  It was a penalty!

Hate the whole "cheating is fine in football" and its wholesale acceptance by people who should know better..........not a fan of diving for sure, despicable .......BUT......I would agree, on balance I would say PENALTY.

[Mac Mickmanus]

He was clipped , although I haven't seen Sterling drop so quickly since the Brexit vote 

[mrbojangles]

31 minutes ago, mommysboy said:

I don't know if the following link is open to all.  But the video embedded half way down clearly shows that it was a penalty. Whether you think Sterling should have stayed on his feet is another matter.  Also, slow motion always minimizes effects.  When you run fast even the slightest of touches can throw a player:

 

https://www.theguardian.com/football/2021/jul/08/englands-penalty-leads-to-cries-of-hypocrisy-across-continent

 

Pure sour grapes from some of the Danes, Scots, etc.  It was a penalty!

 

(In his assessment of the video, the pundit says 'Sterlings right knee gets clipped followed by a hip barge from the other side….how is that “not touched”? try staying on your feet while sprinting with a ball and that happens'.)

What is Wenger going on about in that article. "Not clear enough" to give a penalty and the ref should have gone and had a look. As you say, Sterling's knee got clipped and then he got barged into on the hip. In an instance like this, thought VAR was there to see if there was a clear and obvious error. If the ref hadn't have given it, I doubt VAR would have overturned the decision and given it, in the same way that ref did give it and there wasn't enough evidence to overturn the decision. What worries me is Wenger is high up there in UEFA nowadays

[Tanomazu]

1 hour ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

He was clipped , although I haven't seen Sterling drop so quickly since the Brexit vote 

There was slight contact to his hip, but not enough to warrant a penalty. The second Danish player, the one closest to the goal, did not trip Sterling. Sterling took a dive.

 

It was disgraceful and unsporting behaviour by Sterling and the penalty should never have been given. It was an obvious error because the contact was not enough to warrant a penalty. Several high level referees have confirmed this.

[Mac Mickmanus]

2 minutes ago, Tanomazu said:

There was slight contact to his hip, but not enough to warrant a penalty. The second Danish player, the one closest to the goal, did not trip Sterling. Sterling took a dive.

 

It was disgraceful and unsporting behaviour by Sterling and the penalty should never have been given. It was an obvious error because the contact was not enough to warrant a penalty. Several high level referees have confirmed this.

If , as Sterling was doing, running fast and weaving in and out of players and trying to control the ball, even the slightest touch can send players off balance and cause them to fall over

[Tanomazu]

2 hours ago, mommysboy said:

I don't know if the following link is open to all.  But the video embedded half way down clearly shows that it was a penalty. Whether you think Sterling should have stayed on his feet is another matter.  Also, slow motion always minimizes effects.  When you run fast even the slightest of touches can throw a player:

 

https://www.theguardian.com/football/2021/jul/08/englands-penalty-leads-to-cries-of-hypocrisy-across-continent

 

Pure sour grapes from some of the Danes, Scots, etc.  It was a penalty!

 

(In his assessment of the video, the pundit says 'Sterlings right knee gets clipped followed by a hip barge from the other side….how is that “not touched”? try staying on your feet while sprinting with a ball and that happens'.)

Lol, Sterling's knee goes down because he dives. It just looks from that angle like the Danish player touches his knee, he actually doesn't. You see that from the better goal camera angle.

 

Even Alan Shearer admitted it was not a penalty, and he's English. Top coaches like Wenger, Mourinho, top referees, top players like Hamann.

 

Spanish Marca: “They always say how bad it is when a foreign player tries to deceive the referee with a dive,” said an editorial in Marca in Spain. “In pure English football, this does not happen. Apart from, of course, in a European Championship semi-final. It would be nice for English football to stop giving lectures to the rest of the continent about diving.”

 

The whole world knows it was a dive.

[Tanomazu]

2 minutes ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

If , as Sterling was doing, running fast and weaving in and out of players and trying to control the ball, even the slightest touch can send players off balance and cause them to fall over

Yes, but Sterling was not actually going fast here. He was cornered and very slow, actually. He made a very clear dive.

 

I understand the English defending it. But the whole world can see it was not a penalty and a dive.

[Mac Mickmanus]

4 minutes ago, Tanomazu said:

But the whole world can see it was not a penalty and a dive.

Excluding the referee, He thinks that it was a penalty and hes the only one that matters

[Tanomazu]

1 minute ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

Excluding the referee, He thinks that it was a penalty and hes the only one that matters

That's hardly surprising, it's very hard to see for the referee, even with the benefit of after the fact calm slow-motion you have to look twice to confirm it. The real mystery is why the dutch video referee did not advise that a mistake was made. The rule that only on a very clear error the video evidence is checked clearly needs to be revised to prevent miscarriages of justice as happened in the Denmark England game.

 

But both these dutch referees did not distinguish themselves and will most likely not be seeing any finals.

[kevvy]

I read a news item that the English will do better if Harry would go to encourage them on ..

You have to laugh at these stupid news items.

[Mac Mickmanus]

1 minute ago, kevvy said:

I read a news item that the English will do better if Harry would go to encourage them on ..

You have to laugh at these stupid news items.

Or just ignore them and don't repeat and spread them ?

[kevvy]

Just now, Mac Mickmanus said:

Or just ignore them and don't repeat and spread them ?

 

1 minute ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

Or just ignore them and don't repeat and spread them ?

it is called freedom of speech,

[Tanomazu]

It will be another harry that will decide. Harry Kane. Was very impressed with his play.

 

England will need him to be on top of his game.

[Denim]

3 minutes ago, kevvy said:

I read a news item that the English will do better if Harry would go to encourage them on ..

You have to laugh at these stupid news items.

Harry Potter with his wand would be a definite help.

 

For a start he could paralyze them just before kick off to stop the silly knee taking thingy , then put a force field over the English goal. 

[Mac Mickmanus]

2 minutes ago, kevvy said:

 

it is called freedom of speech,

Yes, you have the freedom to repost stupid news items, if you want to 

[wilai]

42 minutes ago, Tanomazu said:

But both these dutch referees did not distinguish themselves and will most likely not be seeing any finals.

Another Dutch guy has the final and the VAR guy who confirmed the decision will again be watching the telly (as the VAR assistant this time) so tough luck bud.

 

Refereeing team

Referee: Björn Kuipers (Netherlands)

Assistants: Sander van Roekel, Erwin Zeinstra (both Netherlands)

Fourth official: Carlos Del Cerro Grande (Spain)

Reserve Assistant Referee: Juan Carlos Yuste Jiménez (Spain)

Video Assistant Referee: Bastian Dankert (Germany)

VAR Assistants: Pol van Boekel (Netherlands), Christian Gittelmann, Marco Fritz (Germany)

[mrbojangles]

1 hour ago, Tanomazu said:

The real mystery is why the dutch video referee did not advise that a mistake was made.

Do you think it's because he agreed with the ref?

 

So now the whole world agrees it wasn't a penalty except the ref and the VAR room and and and ....... BTW, I notice you haven't mentioned Denmark's free kick. Namely 1) the free kick was just as controversial and soft as the penalty. 2) there was a breach of the laws of the wall by the Denmark players. The Freekick shouldn't have stood. Are you conveniently forgetting about that?

 

Tano, I know it's controversial to you and we think some other decisions didn't go our way. You will see it through your eyes and we will see it through ours. That's the beauty of the game.

[Surelynot]

Just now, mrbojangles said:

Do you think it's because he agreed with the ref?

 

So now the whole world agrees it wasn't a penalty except the ref and the VAR room and and and ....... BTW, I notice you haven't mentioned Denmark's free kick. Namely 1) the free kick was just as controversial and soft as the penalty. 2) there was a breach of the laws of the wall by the Denmark players. The Freekick shouldn't have stood. Are you conveniently forgetting about that?

 

Tano, I know it's controversial to you and we think some other decisions didn't go our way. You will see it through your eyes and we will see it through ours. That's the beauty of the game.

Football feeds off this type of controversy ..........the authorities love it.......lax rules, rules flagrantly breached or ignored......putting the two opposing managers side by side  on the pitch.......allowing both sets of players into the tunnel side by side......it is clickbait for the masses.

 

[Tanomazu]

25 minutes ago, mrbojangles said:

Do you think it's because he agreed with the ref?

 

So now the whole world agrees it wasn't a penalty except the ref and the VAR room and and and ....... BTW, I notice you haven't mentioned Denmark's free kick. Namely 1) the free kick was just as controversial and soft as the penalty. 2) there was a breach of the laws of the wall by the Denmark players. The Freekick shouldn't have stood. Are you conveniently forgetting about that?

 

Tano, I know it's controversial to you and we think some other decisions didn't go our way. You will see it through your eyes and we will see it through ours. That's the beauty of the game.

No, it was probably not because he agreed with the ref. More likely is that with the pressure of time even with video evidence he could not see that the ref made an "obvious" mistake. IFAB operates VAR on the principle of "minimal interference" and has said that  the VAR system seeks to provide a way for "clear and obvious errors" and "serious missed incidents" to be corrected.

 

However, in this instance it was not immediately evident. Because there were two Danish players, one of whom clipped Sterling slightly on the hip, you really have to look twice to see that Sterling is diving.

 

But generally refs apply the principle that for a penalty, precisely because of the diving of people like Sterling, it has to be a very clear foul to result in a penalty. The Dutch ref did not apply it in this instance, or rather mistakenly believed Sterling's dive and thought a clear foul happened. However, had the second Dutch VAR ref been diligent and courageous he could have rectified this error, unfortunately he wasn't.

 

IFAB should change their guidelines and make clear that VAR should check every decision to get the correct decision in all instances, not just to correct "obvious" errors. Otherwise people will just lose faith in VAR, and it's annoying interruptions are pointless if the correct decision is not made. It was obviously not made in the case of Sterling's dive, as you would otherwise not have top French, Portuguese, German, Spanish coaches and players and refs, and even an English player like Shearer, casting serious doubt on this supposed penalty.

[mrbojangles]

11 minutes ago, Tanomazu said:

However, in this instance it was not immediately evident. Because there were two Danish players, one of whom clipped Sterling slightly on the hip, you really have to look twice to see that Sterling is diving.

You admit there was contact. When a player does that and the attacking player goes down, the defender gives the referee a decision to make. Look at your own players first. The first one there was contact on the knee and the second banged into him with his hip. Maybe you should blame them as they should know better than to do lazy tackles and try to barge a player off the ball with your hip in the box.

 

As for your point on the VAR operators. They aren't under any pressure to reach quick decisions in penalty decisions. They are top professionals who eat pressure for breakfast.

 

I see you still have no opinion on your goal from the free kick.

[Tanomazu]

18 minutes ago, mrbojangles said:

You admit there was contact. When a player does that and the attacking player goes down, the defender gives the referee a decision to make. Look at your own players first. The first one there was contact on the knee and the second banged into him with his hip. Maybe you should blame them as they should know better than to do lazy tackles and try to barge a player off the ball with your hip in the box.

 

As for your point on the VAR operators. They aren't under any pressure to reach quick decisions in penalty decisions. They are top professionals who eat pressure for breakfast.

 

I see you still have no opinion on your goal from the free kick.

Yes, Sterling did receive slight contact on the hip, mostly because he's shifting left and right. But this very slight contact was very obviously nowhere near enough to warrant a penalty. There was no attempt to barge Sterling off the pitch, if you can't make a robust contact on the hip in football maybe new rules should specify that, since that's what's done normally without fouls. There was no contact on the knee, it just looks like that.

 

I would agree though, that the barging into Sterling's hip was reckless, especially given that Sterling was not really in a dangerous location. Not because it was a penalty foul, just because it gave Sterling's dive credibility.

 

I'm not Danish btw, and I think England played a lot better, though Denmark's defence battle was impressive and England really should have scored without the ref's help.

[KannikaP]

She knows you know!

[mommysboy]

2 hours ago, Tanomazu said:

Yes, but Sterling was not actually going fast here. He was cornered and very slow, actually. He made a very clear dive.

 

I understand the English defending it. But the whole world can see it was not a penalty and a dive.

Slow motion replay has a habit of slowing players down.

 

It was a penalty, perhaps embellished with a dive. But the new video angle clearly shows contact.  There really is no other conclusion.  It was seen by the referee then checked by the video assistant. It was so clear that the ref. didn't need to view the incident again.

 

Obviously, your dislike of the player and/or team has blinded your vision to an extreme extent.

[puck2]

On 7/7/2021 at 4:46 PM, Mac Mickmanus said:

My confidence in England winning the trophy has suddenly increased 

... of course. At least if there is again a shooting-out; they will use the laser attacks against the goal keeper! Do you remeber Denmark in Wimbledon?

[Tanomazu]

16 minutes ago, mommysboy said:

Slow motion replay has a habit of slowing players down.

 

It was a penalty, perhaps embellished with a dive. But the new video angle clearly shows contact.  There really is no other conclusion.  It was seen by the referee then checked by the video assistant. It was so clear that the ref. didn't need to view the incident again.

 

Obviously, your dislike of the player and/or team has blinded your vision to an extreme extent.

He wasn't sprinting, he was cornered, trying to weave side to side with 2 Danish players cornering  him. He wasn't moving very fast.

 

It was of course most definitely not a penalty, as Roy Keane, Alan Shearer, Dietmar Hamann, Marca, Mourinhou, Wenger and pretty much the whole world is saying, apart from some die-hard English supporters, who for obvious reasons have to defend it.

 

It's not like Sterling  is not well known as a diving queen, here is a selection of his many previous diving performances:

 

 

 

[mommysboy]

1 minute ago, Tanomazu said:

He wasn't sprinting, he was cornered, trying to weave side to side with 2 Danish players cornering  him. He wasn't moving very fast.

 

It was of course most definitely not a penalty, as Roy Keane, Alan Shearer, Dietmar Hamann, Marca, Mourinhou, Wenger and pretty much the whole world is saying, apart from some die-hard English supporters, who for obvious reasons have to defend it.

 

It's not like Sterling  is not well known as a diving queen, here is a selection of his many previous diving performances:

 

 

 

Now you are building a circumstantial case to run away from the stark fact of the matter.

 

The new video evidence is incontrovertible.

 

What anyone else thought at the time, previous history, relative velocity, etc, is extraneous.

 

Stop being a bad sport.

[Tanomazu]

Just now, mommysboy said:

Now you are building a circumstantial case to run away from the stark fact of the matter.

 

The new video evidence is incontrovertible.

 

What anyone else thought at the time, previous history, relative velocity, etc, is extraneous.

 

Stop being a bad sport.

You mean the twitter video you posted from a poor angle? It is just confirms Sterling took a dive.

 

The video evidence, granted, has to be looked at carefully, but once you do you will clearly see that Sterling is not fouled and took a dive.

 

The fact of the matter is the whole world knows it was not a penalty. And that includes your own English players like Alan Shearer, and former EPL players like Roy Keane, coaches like Mou, Wenger, Marca.

 

Sterling took a dive.

[mommysboy]

1 minute ago, Tanomazu said:

You mean the twitter video you posted from a poor angle? It is just confirms Sterling took a dive.

 

The video evidence, granted, has to be looked at carefully, but once you do you will clearly see that Sterling is not fouled and took a dive.

 

The fact of the matter is the whole world knows it was not a penalty. And that includes your own English players like Alan Shearer, and former EPL players like Roy Keane, coaches like Mou, Wenger, Marca.

 

Sterling took a dive.

What medium it appears on is not important.

 

At this point one has to conclude you are trolling.

 

There is no point in further response.