Thailand reports 11,305 new COVID-19 cases, 80 more deaths

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

9 minutes ago, brewsterbudgen said:

Just to report - my walk into the office today was no different to how it has been in the last few weeks.  Plenty of traffic (buses, taxis and motorbikes) and people in their company clothes going to work (mainly bank HOs and insurance companies).  All the normal street-food sellers were there.

 

The main difference this morning was that places like Starbucks, Subway, Mcdonalds were closed - previously they've been open for takeaway.  I found this a little strange as I thought cafes and takeaways could stay open.  

 

I was out on Sukhumvit Road in Bangkok last evening. The Indian tailor shops were open, the fake or counterfeit drug sellers were still manning their tables. A ladyboy hair salon (massage shop) was open, and there was plenty of vehicle traffic on the main road. That said, I think lots of office workers are still working from home, and sectors like restaurants and Thai massage shops are really hurting.

 

Just not clear the various things the government is doing with these rules are likely to much alter the trajectory of the pandemic here. Somehow, they need to prevent enough people from breathing on each other, and vastly expand vaccinations, which seems unlikely to happen any time soon.

 

 

Edited July 20, 2021 by TallGuyJohninBKK

[anchadian]

Prime Minister General Prayut Chan-o-cha will work from home starting Tuesday in keeping with the Ministry of Public Health's measures to curb the spread of Covid-19. #WFH #COVID19 #ThailandNews #TheNationThailand

https://www.nationthailand.com/in-focus/40003477

 

[James105]

17 minutes ago, Danderman123 said:

The types who want the bars open typically claim they had COVID last year. 

 

Or the flu. 

When the bars were ordered to be closed the infections were at about 1000 per day back in April.  The infections are now at over 11,000 per day.   

 

Maybe when you take away controlled, ventilated spaces for people to socialise in they will just do it in uncontrolled, unventilated spaces where it is easier to spread the virus.  Just a thought.   

[anchadian]

Southeast Asia reported a sharp decline in new Covid-19 cases, but deaths hit record numbers on Monday, collated data showed. #Asean #COVID19 #TheNationThailand

https://www.nationthailand.com/international/40003472

[robblok]

32 minutes ago, Cake Monster said:

Please note I am in no way being critical of you post, you are doing a fantastic Job bringing us these figures on a Daily basis. keep it up. 

However, with only 2.50 Million Thais being fully Vaccinated with 2 shots of any Vaccine the number is far less than 5 % of the Population based on 66 Million.

It is actually only 3.8 %

A really poor Vaccination rate.

 

 

But most nations exclude kids in the vaccination rate. So you can't use the 66 million.

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

28 minutes ago, robblok said:

But most nations exclude kids in the vaccination rate. So you can't use the 66 million.

 

When the MoPH does their periodic selected provinces vaccination updates chart, they use a population figure of 72 million as their base.  This was one of the latest province breakdowns I've seen from them up through July 8. There are various different population figures for Thailand depending on what point in time you pick, so that can lead to some variation in calculations. You can see below, as of July 8, MoPH themselves were saying 4.4% fully vaccinated overall, and that's almost two weeks old at this point, though 2nd shot totals are only increasing very slowly right now, with most of their focus on adding first shots for the unvaccinated.

 

 

https://www.facebook.com/informationcovid19/photos/a.106455480972785/361222308829433/?type=3

 

Edited July 20, 2021 by TallGuyJohninBKK

[dinsdale]

13 minutes ago, James105 said:

When the bars were ordered to be closed the infections were at about 1000 per day back in April.  The infections are now at over 11,000 per day.   

 

Maybe when you take away controlled, ventilated spaces for people to socialise in they will just do it in uncontrolled, unventilated spaces where it is easier to spread the virus.  Just a thought.   

Here's a thought. Maybe, just maybe if the bars etc were open the numbers would be >20K. Do you think you could have farang bars open and nightclubs etc closed?

[anchadian]

Jonathan Head

 

The Thai MFA informs us any foreigner over 60 can turn up at Sam Yan Mitrpoint on Rama 4 tomorrow from 8am and get a 1st vaccine. No appointment just bring your passport.

 

It’s happening today as well. Don’t know when they stop. If your really need a 1st dose AZ it’s worth trying.

 

https://twitter.com/pakhead/status/1417309503062642705

[robblok]

4 minutes ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

 

When the MoPH does their periodic selected provinces vaccination updates chart, they use a population figure of 72 million as their base.  This was one of the latest province breakdowns I've seen from them up through July 8. There are various different population figures for Thailand depending on what point in time you pick, so that can lead to some variation in calculations. You can see below, as of July 8, MoPH themselves were saying 4.4% fully vaccinated overall, and that's almost two weeks old at this point, though 2nd shot totals are only increasing very slowly right now, with most of their focus on adding first shots for the unvaccinated.

 

Thanks never knew that there were 72 million adults in Thailand. I always thought 65-66 was the total population. Im sure that the MoPH does not want to show lower vaccination numbers. So they probably got the right number. If anything they want to show high vaccination numbers to support the government.

[anchadian]

Revelations about AstraZeneca contract inject more controversy into Thai vaccine saga

Despite being Southeast Asia’s manufacturing hub of AstraZeneca’s COVID-19 vaccine, Thailand is struggling with a severe shortage of jabs for its own population. The situation is so serious that the government decided to go ahead with the world’s first Sinovac-AstraZeneca mixed inoculation program in spite of loud public complaint.

 

False assurances?   

Earlier this year, the government dismissed criticism that its vaccination plan was inadequate given it had reserved just 26 million doses of AstraZeneca. The deal included knowledge transfer to allow royally-owned pharmaceutical firm Siam Bioscience to produce the vaccine in Thailand. The government then began importing Sinovac jabs from China to tackle the second wave of infections and announced it had ordered another 35 million AstraZeneca doses.

 

In early June, Disease Control Department (DCD) director-general Dr Opart Karnkawinpong described the deal for 61 million AstraZeneca jabs as the core of Thailand’s plan to procure 100 million doses before year-end.

 

https://www.thaipbsworld.com/revelations-about-astrazeneca-contract-inject-more-controversy-into-thai-vaccine-saga/

 

[BE88]

38 minutes ago, dinsdale said:

There is some indication that the Delta variant may also result in more severe disease. A study in Scotland, published in the Lancet, found the hospitalization rate of patients with that variant was about 85 percent higher than that of people with the Alpha variant. But because of the time lag between hospitalizations and deaths, there is not enough data to say whether or not Delta is more deadly than other variants.

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/how-dangerous-is-the-delta-variant-and-will-it-cause-a-covid-surge-in-the-u-s/

 

Interesting but I have a question the article says that the variants are the fruit of the unvaccinated, and the variants of those vaccinated what are they?

 

Aren't the variants that survive vaccines and therefore logically more dangerous?

 

logic is not good in this case?

 

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

16 minutes ago, anchadian said:

Jonathan Head

 

The Thai MFA informs us any foreigner over 60 can turn up at Sam Yan Mitrpoint on Rama 4 tomorrow from 8am and get a 1st vaccine. No appointment just bring your passport.

 

It’s happening today as well. Don’t know when they stop. If your really need a 1st dose AZ it’s worth trying.

 

https://twitter.com/pakhead/status/1417309503062642705

 

There was a report from one of the forum members here lately that the reason we've seen a whole bunch of small foreigner vaccination opportunities lately is because of the recent arrival of the 1.05 million AZ doses donated by Japan, of which 10% are supposed to be used for foreign nationals. So that's likely why a number of the embassies have been popping up lately in tandem with the Thai MFA. That's what one of our members here was told by the vaccination staff at one of the recent events.

 

Edited July 20, 2021 by TallGuyJohninBKK

[James105]

5 minutes ago, dinsdale said:

Here's a thought. Maybe, just maybe if the bars etc were open the numbers would be >20K. Do you think you could have farang bars open and nightclubs etc closed?

Maybe if outdoor, well ventilated bars were open it would be <5K - we will just never know either way will we.  .   

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

17 minutes ago, robblok said:

Thanks never knew that there were 72 million adults in Thailand. I always thought 65-66 was the total population. Im sure that the MoPH does not want to show lower vaccination numbers. So they probably got the right number. If anything they want to show high vaccination numbers to support the government.

 

I think that 72 million figure is clearly total population, not an adults only calculation. Thailand is planning to vaccinate teenagers with future doses of the imported Pfizer vaccine, so I don't know of any reason why that younger age group would be excluded from their population / vaccination figures.

 

[Rhacsyn]

1 hour ago, Danderman123 said:

The types who want the bars open typically claim they had COVID last year. 

 

Or the flu. 

Or just thirsty? ????

[dinsdale]

South Australia goes into 7 day hard lockdown from 6pm South Australian time. As of now they have 5 positives with Delta. This is going hard and fast. 1000 people in quarantine for 14 days and are forbidden to leave their homes apart from medical emergencies, covid testing and vaccination only. 3 Australian states now in hard lockdown. Looking out of my window from where I can see the main road through my part of town things look as normal. I am in a dark red area. An interesting thing was said and this is of course quite obvious. The virus cannot walk and needs people to move it around. Here it has been moving around quite freely and continues to.

[dinsdale]

16 minutes ago, James105 said:

Maybe if outdoor, well ventilated bars were open it would be <5K - we will just never know either way will we.  .   

It has been said many times on here that the delta is highly contageous both inside and out and science supports this. Although ventilation helps along with social distancing all it takes is inhaling the breath of an infected person. That's all it takes. Fleeting transmission.

[DrJack54]

18 minutes ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

So that's likely why a number of the embassies have been popping up lately in tandem with the Thai MFA. That's what one of our members here was told by the vaccination staff at one of the recent events.

Yes there was a group of embassies through Thai MFA that provided vaccine AZ last Sunday. In my opinion PR stunt.

 

I was one of those that tried to register Friday evening. The site opened at ~ 7pm.

I provided details ~7.30pm. 

I was rejected. Quota full. It was suggested that the allocation was perhaps as low as 100 doses per embassy. 

In any event this current one that is just mentioned here I imagine will be Kaos.

I might go as it's on the MRT but zero faith.

[Gottfrid]

2 hours ago, Pattaya Spotter said:

Cases and deaths going down both countrywide and in Chonburi.

Nice spotted! Now quickly grab your crystal ball.

[sapson]

2 hours ago, Pattaya Spotter said:

Cases and deaths going down both countrywide and in Chonburi. 

Testing is so limited so the reported figures are just a token gesture.

 

 

[jacko45k]

2 hours ago, Bkk Brian said:

Most new cases are in Chonburi City (88), Bang Lamung/Pattaya (193), and Si Racha (137).

I have been watching this for a few days and previously Si Racha had more cases than Banglamung.....I see that has switched around now. If so many new cases are wandering around Pattaya, best not to be yourself.

[James105]

2 hours ago, dinsdale said:

It has been said many times on here that the delta is highly contageous both inside and out and science supports this. Although ventilation helps along with social distancing all it takes is inhaling the breath of an infected person. That's all it takes. Fleeting transmission.

Science says that there is no difference between indoor and outdoor transmission?  Really?  Do you have a link to any evidence that suggests the virus is equally infectious in indoor and outdoor settings?    That is just not scientifically possible for a virus that spreads in the air.   

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[DrJack54]

11 minutes ago, dinsdale said:

The virus cannot walk and needs people to move it around. Here it has been moving around quite freely and continues to.

I'm also surprised with this "lockdown"

Just now had delivery of storage kiosks.

 

Turns out they sent wrong ones. So to the point. We are returning to Homepro later to correct paperwork and order new.

Also returning damaged chair.

 

Later team comes to assemble a wardrobe.

Point of long boring story is that I'm very surprised. Seems business as usual.

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

8 minutes ago, DrJack54 said:

Yes there was a group of embassies through Thai MFA that provided vaccine AZ last Sunday. In my opinion PR stunt.

 

I was one of those that tried to register Friday evening. The site opened at ~ 7pm.

I provided details ~7.30pm. 

I was rejected. Quota full. It was suggested that the allocation was perhaps as low as 100 doses per embassy. 

In any event this current one that is just mentioned here I imagine will be Kaos.

I might go as it's on the MRT but zero faith.

 

That was the same experience U.S. folks had as well... their online registration system was closed almost before the announcement email began arriving in people's inboxes one morning.

 

From the various comments I've seen lately, the MedPark Hospital site in Bangkok listed on the governnment's Intervac website seems to be still open and available...at least, last I heard.

 

[anchadian]

Klong Toey, Bang Khae, Ratchathewi, Din Daeng, and Laksi are Bangkok districts with the highest number of COVID-19 infections since April 2021, according to the Bangkok Metropolitan Administration (BMA)

https://www.thaipbsworld.com/klong-toey-bang-khae-ratchathewi-din-daeng-laksi-top-bangkoks-districts-with-most-infections/

[anchadian]

3 minutes ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

 

That was the same experience U.S. folks had as well... their online registration system was closed almost before the announcement email began arriving in people's inboxes one morning.

 

From the various comments I've seen lately, the MedPark Hospital site in Bangkok listed on the governnment's Intervac website seems to be still open and available...at least, last I heard.

 

The MedPark hospital registration was closed three days ago.

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

3 minutes ago, DrJack54 said:

I'm also surprised with this "lockdown"

Just now had delivery of storage kiosks.

 

Turns out they sent wrong ones. So to the point. We are returning to Homepro later to correct paperwork and order new.

Also returning damaged chair.

 

Later team comes to assemble a wardrobe.

Point of long boring story is that I'm very surprised. Seems business as usual.

Deliveries of online purchases are allowed to continue under the latest version of the rules.

 

And, FWIW, I bought a new office chair in person at a store last weekend, and it's being delivered to my home in BKK later this week, and I've already confirmed with them that that won't be blocked by the new rules.

 

[dinsdale]

29 minutes ago, dinsdale said:

It has been said many times on here that the delta is highly contageous both inside and out and science supports this. Although ventilation helps along with social distancing all it takes is inhaling the breath of an infected person. That's all it takes. Fleeting transmission.

 

19 minutes ago, James105 said:

Science says that there is no difference between indoor and outdoor transmission?  Really?  Do you have a link to any evidence that suggests the virus is equally infectious in indoor and outdoor settings?    That is just not scientifically possible for a virus that spreads in the air.   

It is quite clear that I said it is edit: contageous (transmissable is what I meant to say) both inside and outside. It is also quite clear that I did not say it is equally contageous. Indeed I mention how ventillation can help. Please do not misrepresent what I said. 

“With the Delta variant, we’re seeing very fleeting contact leading to transmission,” Young said.

“At the start of this pandemic, I spoke about 15 minutes of close contact being a concern. Now it looks like it’s five to 10 seconds that’s a concern. The risk is so much higher now than it was only a year ago.”

“Fleeting contact” is an accurate descriptor that underlines the airborne nature of the virus, says Prof Nancy Baxter, head of the University of Melbourne’s school of population and global health.

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2021/jun/24/its-in-the-air-you-breathe-what-you-need-to-know-about-sydneys-delta-covid-variant

 

This obviously apllies to both indoor and outdoor settings.

Edited July 20, 2021 by dinsdale

[Olmate]

10 minutes ago, DrJack54 said:

I'm also surprised with this "lockdown"

Just now had delivery of storage kiosks.

 

Turns out they sent wrong ones. So to the point. We are returning to Homepro later to correct paperwork and order new.

Also returning damaged chair.

 

Later team comes to assemble a wardrobe.

Point of long boring story is that I'm very surprised. Seems business as usual.

Ask them to come againanother day.Delivery folk.are.high  risk

[DrJack54]

14 minutes ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

Deliveries of online purchases are allowed to continue under the latest version of the rules.

 

And, FWIW, I bought a new office chair in person at a store last weekend, and it's being delivered to my home in BKK later this week, and I've already confirmed with them that that won't be blocked by the new rules.

 

I can sorta understand that for delivery.

 

We went to homepro yesterday as assumed today they would be shut due to extended restrictions.

However they are open and we will return later today. This is a cuddly fluffy lockdown. 

Edited July 20, 2021 by DrJack54