Who will never vaccinate except if forced to for visa reasons ? and do you think that they will force us ?

[WhiteBuffaloATM]

hmmm …. no “scale” here. it’s Pass or Fail for me, in civilized countries, for Adults, with no vax program shortages.

Double Vaxxed/ Med. Exemption & Not anti - vaxx =PASS.

Unvaxxed or Anti - Vaxx = FAIL

Reject bs term “pro - vaxx”. that’s like being “pro- science” or “pro- reason”. if you aren’t and living in any modern open society, you must be mentally deficient. no other reasonable conclusion.

Time Now to pass Laws in civilized countries penalizing / treating FAIL.

[Scott]

8 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

I can forsee lawsuits over that. While the Hippocratic oath doesn't specifically say they must treat any that come to them, "I will apply, for the benefit of the sick, all measures [that] are required, avoiding those twin traps of overtreatment and therapeutic nihilism" could be interpreted that way.

 

( quoted from Wikipedia,  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hippocratic_Oath )

It's a bit off-topic, but I think you are referring to treating a patient and I am talking about accepting a patient as their primary physician.  Doctor's can decline to take someone as a patient.  In the case of unvaccinated children most physicians who deny them do so on the basis that having them in the office endangers other patients.  

 

It can be a bit of a pain finding a primary care provider or a specialist.  It has a lot to do with the type of insurance you have.  If you are on Medicare/Medicaid, they may not take you at all. 

During the surge of Covid, my medical provider didn't let anyone in the office unless they had an appointment and were screened (temp check, etc.).  Once you were in, you went directly to the exam room -- no sitting in the waiting area.   You waited outside or in your car. 

[ignis]

17 hours ago, placnx said:

The molnupiravir treatment is administered over 5 days.

https://clinicaltrials.gov/ct2/show/NCT04575597?term=molnupiravir&draw=2&rank=2

In the end, the 800mg dose was chosen for Phase 2, taken twice a day for 5 days. Phase 3 trial MOVe-OUT had excellent interim results, upon which it was approved in the UK to be marketed as Lagevrio.

as I said Read up on this.. re- posted in the News + Thailandmedical.news

“Molnupiravir” Covid-19 antiviral medicine produced by Merck...   appear you need 40 capsules over about 3 months if you are unvaccinated

for those that have had a Jab but not a follow up for whatever reason, then it is a 5 day course. or so it appears. also read that these capsule's cost just 6 baht each....   if I understand it correct for those of us that have lifelong 'Vaccine allergy anaphylaxis'  low dosage per day is given over 3 months.

 

Will be asking my Dr next week on my 100 day appointment.. maybe somewhat wiser if the Dr has any knowledge on this.

[placnx]

3 hours ago, ignis said:

as I said Read up on this.. re- posted in the News + Thailandmedical.news

“Molnupiravir” Covid-19 antiviral medicine produced by Merck...   appear you need 40 capsules over about 3 months if you are unvaccinated

for those that have had a Jab but not a follow up for whatever reason, then it is a 5 day course. or so it appears. also read that these capsule's cost just 6 baht each....   if I understand it correct for those of us that have lifelong 'Vaccine allergy anaphylaxis'  low dosage per day is given over 3 months.

 

Will be asking my Dr next week on my 100 day appointment.. maybe somewhat wiser if the Dr has any knowledge on this.

Seems to be total misinformation that you got. Molnupiravir is a treatment for infected people. Makes no difference whether vaccinated or not. The price is around USD700 for a course (40 pills). At 6 Baht per, it would immediately disappear from the Thai market.

 

Maybe I read that it will be investigated as a prophylaxis. Then the idea would be to give it to people who were exposed to Covid. At the current price, that would hardly be practical. 

[placeholder]

3 hours ago, ignis said:

as I said Read up on this.. re- posted in the News + Thailandmedical.news

“Molnupiravir” Covid-19 antiviral medicine produced by Merck...   appear you need 40 capsules over about 3 months if you are unvaccinated

for those that have had a Jab but not a follow up for whatever reason, then it is a 5 day course. or so it appears. also read that these capsule's cost just 6 baht each....   if I understand it correct for those of us that have lifelong 'Vaccine allergy anaphylaxis'  low dosage per day is given over 3 months.

 

Will be asking my Dr next week on my 100 day appointment.. maybe somewhat wiser if the Dr has any knowledge on this.

Got an actual link for that?

[Tony125]

On 11/7/2021 at 12:17 PM, thaibeachlovers said:

I can forsee lawsuits over that. While the Hippocratic oath doesn't specifically say they must treat any that come to them, "I will apply, for the benefit of the sick, all measures [that] are required, avoiding those twin traps of overtreatment and therapeutic nihilism" could be interpreted that way.

 

( quoted from Wikipedia,  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hippocratic_Oath )

Lockdown of New Zealand's largest city to end this month

 

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/lockdown-of-new-zealands-largest-city-to-end-this-month/ar-AAQr7OT?li=BBnb7Kz

[Tony125]

8 hours ago, ignis said:

as I said Read up on this.. re- posted in the News + Thailandmedical.news

“Molnupiravir” Covid-19 antiviral medicine produced by Merck...   appear you need 40 capsules over about 3 months if you are unvaccinated

for those that have had a Jab but not a follow up for whatever reason, then it is a 5 day course. or so it appears. also read that these capsule's cost just 6 baht each....   if I understand it correct for those of us that have lifelong 'Vaccine allergy anaphylaxis'  low dosage per day is given over 3 months.

 

Will be asking my Dr next week on my 100 day appointment.. maybe somewhat wiser if the Dr has any knowledge on this.

https://www.bbc.com/news/health-59163899

The drug needs to be given within five days of symptoms developing to be most effective.

[Jeffr2]

 

[ozimoron]

COVID-19 pills are coming, but no substitute for vaccines, disease experts say

 

...doctors warn vaccine hesitant people not to confuse the benefit of the treatments with prevention afforded by vaccines.

 

https://www.reuters.com/business/healthcare-pharmaceuticals/covid-19-pills-are-coming-no-substitute-vaccines-disease-experts-say-2021-11-08/

[thaibeachlovers]

17 hours ago, Tony125 said:

Lockdown of New Zealand's largest city to end this month

 

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/lockdown-of-new-zealands-largest-city-to-end-this-month/ar-AAQr7OT?li=BBnb7Kz

Maybe!

Meanwhile the people are using their democratic right to protest about lockdown mandates. Seems the cracks are beginning to appear in the "team of 5 million".

 

https://www.1news.co.nz/2021/11/09/large-crowds-gather-in-wellington-for-anti-lockdown-mandate-protest/

Edited November 9, 2021 by thaibeachlovers

[placeholder]

19 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Maybe!

Meanwhile the people are using their democratic right to protest about lockdown mandates. Seems the cracks are beginning to appear in the "team of 5 million".

 

https://www.1news.co.nz/2021/11/09/large-crowds-gather-in-wellington-for-anti-lockdown-mandate-protest/

Looks like these geniuses aren't wearing masks either.

[ozimoron]

6 minutes ago, placeholder said:

Looks like these geniuses aren't wearing masks either.

"and some of them are good people"

 

Quote

A police officer was bitten by a protester.

 

[onthedarkside]

A trolling post, along with several replies, and an off-topic post have been removed.

 

[thaibeachlovers]

On 11/9/2021 at 4:43 PM, ozimoron said:

"and some of them are good people"

 

 

The biting was at a different demonstration.

 

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/bay-of-plenty-times/news/covid-19-delta-outbreak-anti-mandate-protesters-gather-in-tauranga/HPS4N7EYS2QPKB5RNMNOBTTHE4/

Meanwhile, a police officer was bitten this morning by a protester at the northern Auckland border.

 

 

[placeholder]

7 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

The biting was at a different demonstration.

 

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/bay-of-plenty-times/news/covid-19-delta-outbreak-anti-mandate-protesters-gather-in-tauranga/HPS4N7EYS2QPKB5RNMNOBTTHE4/

Meanwhile, a police officer was bitten this morning by a protester at the northern Auckland border.

 

 

Just hope that officer was vaccinated...for rabies.

[Tony125]

On 11/7/2021 at 10:46 AM, Danderman123 said:

Home schooled children generally are poorly educated. 

Many have problems with social skills as are not used to interacting  with their peers.

[thaibeachlovers]

On 11/11/2021 at 10:19 PM, Tony125 said:

Many have problems with social skills as are not used to interacting  with their peers.

However, those that were bullied at school are lovin' it.

 

Edited November 15, 2021 by thaibeachlovers

[Credo]

21 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

However, those that were bullied at school are lovin' it.

 

How wrong you are.  Kids who are bullied don't seek isolation.  They seek acceptance.  

[Tony125]

 

What You Should Know About COVID-19 Booster Shots, According to an Infectious Disease Expert

https://www.yahoo.com/lifestyle/know-covid-19-booster-shots-181800662.html

 

 

COVID: 2 Pfizer doses and Moderna booster give more protection than 3 Pfizer jabs – Ong Ye Kung

https://www.yahoo.com/news/2-pfizer-doses-moderna-booster-more-protection-3-pfizer-jabs-ong-ye-kung-120125008.html

[Oblomov]

On 7/26/2021 at 5:37 PM, The Cipher said:

Doubt it. In today's world we lock down the fittest so that the least fit can survive a little longer.

And in the process of locking down the fittest (the tax payers that fund our services,) the very services the oldest and weakest rely on for myriad other needs, is compromised and rendered unable to cope Witness now the staggering backlog of treatments in health services and the crushing of our most productive people.

[ozimoron]

9 minutes ago, Oblomov said:

And in the process of locking down the fittest (the tax payers that fund our services,) the very services the oldest and weakest rely on for myriad other needs, is compromised and rendered unable to cope Witness now the staggering backlog of treatments in health services and the crushing of our most productive people.

Firstly, the economy isn't doing too badly during covid. Your assumption that health services have been adversely affected by lock downs appears to be at odds with medical opinion which universally maintains that failure to lock down will overwhelm the health system. Finally, Why would anyone imagine that the economy would do well during a period of rampant pandemic?

 

What we are likely to see is lock downs for the unvaccinated and close to normal life for the vaccinated. See Austria and Australia.

 

https://www.brookings.edu/research/11-facts-on-the-economic-recovery-from-the-covid-19-pandemic/

Edited November 16, 2021 by ozimoron

[redwood1]

3 hours ago, Tony125 said:

 

What You Should Know About COVID-19 Booster Shots, According to an Infectious Disease Expert

https://www.yahoo.com/lifestyle/know-covid-19-booster-shots-181800662.html

 

 

COVID: 2 Pfizer doses and Moderna booster give more protection than 3 Pfizer jabs – Ong Ye Kung

https://www.yahoo.com/news/2-pfizer-doses-moderna-booster-more-protection-3-pfizer-jabs-ong-ye-kung-120125008.html

and if one booster shot gives you so much more protection think what protection 2 or 3 or 4 or 5 booster shots would give you.....We would practically be immortal.... 

[Credo]

33 minutes ago, redwood1 said:

and if one booster shot gives you so much more protection think what protection 2 or 3 or 4 or 5 booster shots would give you.....We would practically be immortal.... 

Apparently, it doesn't make you any smarter though.  

[placeholder]

4 hours ago, Oblomov said:

And in the process of locking down the fittest (the tax payers that fund our services,) the very services the oldest and weakest rely on for myriad other needs, is compromised and rendered unable to cope Witness now the staggering backlog of treatments in health services and the crushing of our most productive people.

What makes this really tragic is that the covid pandemic hasn't affected in the least the availability of intensive care beds at hospitals...oh wait a minute...

[Jeffr2]

14 hours ago, Oblomov said:

And in the process of locking down the fittest (the tax payers that fund our services,) the very services the oldest and weakest rely on for myriad other needs, is compromised and rendered unable to cope Witness now the staggering backlog of treatments in health services and the crushing of our most productive people.

The fittest?  Most like the most unintelligent.  Get the jab and we're out of this mess.  The US spent almost 6 BILLION treating unvaccinated in the past 4 months.  The oldest and weakest pay taxes also and are subsidizing these nutters.

 

Seems like you're willing to throw the oldest and weakest under the bus.

 

P.S. Retail sales in the US are doing fantastic.  The unemployment is going to reach 3.5%.  Where do you get your news?

Edited November 17, 2021 by onthedarkside
inflammatory comment removed

[Danderman123]

3 hours ago, redwood1 said:

and if one booster shot gives you so much more protection think what protection 2 or 3 or 4 or 5 booster shots would give you.....We would practically be immortal.... 

imagine what happens to the unvaccinated when they run into Covid virus. 

[Chomper Higgot]

7 hours ago, Oblomov said:

And in the process of locking down the fittest (the tax payers that fund our services,) the very services the oldest and weakest rely on for myriad other needs, is compromised and rendered unable to cope Witness now the staggering backlog of treatments in health services and the crushing of our most productive people.

If you were a bit more honest, skipped the faux concern for others and objected to the impact of the lockdowns on you personally I might have given your comment a ‘like’.

 

Hollow words of concern for others could be filled out by getting your vaccination and encouraging others to do so.

[Oblomov]

10 hours ago, Jeffr2 said:

The fittest?  Most like the most unintelligent.  Get the jab and we're out of this mess.  The US spent almost 6 BILLION treating unvaccinated in the past 4 months.  The oldest and weakest pay taxes also and are subsidizing these nutters.

 

Seems like you're willing to throw the oldest and weakest under the bus.

 

P.S. Retail sales in the US are doing fantastic.  The unemployment is going to reach 3.5%.  Where do you get your news?

Seems like I'm tired of people like you focusing on this as it can affect you whereas destitute familes with kids begging and ill from many other conditions bothers you not a bit 

 

You're blocked so don't need a reply

 

[Oblomov]

8 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said:

If you were a bit more honest, skipped the faux concern for others and objected to the impact of the lockdowns on you personally I might have given your comment a ‘like’.

 

Hollow words of concern for others could be filled out by getting your vaccination and encouraging others to do so.

I am vaccinated and do encourage vaccinations so you misunderstood that

 

Noting faux about my concern for others as I'm actively involved in practical and real support for some of my poorest friends on Bali as well as donations to a kind group that feed the starving dogs of Bali as their primary source of food has all but disappeared

 

I didn't object to lockdowns because they had any impact on me as I worked right through them but I objected because they harmed my friends who don't have the luxury of an idiotic state to pay them to sit at home - One of my closest friends didn't make it through the impact of the lockdown so I resent your rudeness, which is easy in anonymity

 

Craven and idiotic replies likes yours are thoroughly reprehensible

[Jeffr2]

13 minutes ago, Oblomov said:

Seems like I'm tired of people like you focusing on this as it can affect you whereas destitute familes with kids begging and ill from many other conditions bothers you not a bit 

 

You're blocked so don't need a reply

 

What? Makes no sense.