Thailand reports daily record of 16,533 new coronavirus cases

[Danderman123]

4 minutes ago, SCOTT FITZGERSLD said:

that is a good question, and the answer is: not much more.

how do i know it?

from mexico.

you got it. it allready happaned. the virus allready spread.

if it was same numbers like in the beginning, i would not say a thing.

now it is finished.

now the only question is: how many lives will be destroyed from lockdowns ?

You are not keeping up on current events in Mexico. Here is the list of hospitals in Mexico City and environs that are not accepting new patients.

 

There were 17,000+ new infections reported yesterday, and Mexico tests less than Thailand.

 

listado de hospitales saturados en CdMx y EdoMex

Hospitales sin disponibilidad de camas generales CDMX

• Hospital General Tacuba (ISSSTE) 

• Hospital Regional Primero de Octubre (ISSSTE)

• Hospital Dr. Rubén Leñero (SSA)

• Hospital General Doctor Enrique Cabrera (SSA)

• Hospital General Tláhuac (SSA)

• 81/o Batallón de Infantería (Sedena)

• 22/o Batallón de la Policía Militar (Sedena)

• Escuela Militar de Infantería (Sedena)

•  Hospital General de Zona 27 (IMSS)

• Hospital General de Zona 1A (IMSS)

• Hospital General de Zona 32 (IMSS)

• Hospital General Manuel Doctor Manuel Gea González (SSA)

• Instituto Nacional de Enfermedades Respiratorias Ismael Cosío (SSA)

• Instituto Nacional de Cardiología Ignacio Chávez (SSA)

• Instituto Nacional de Ciencias Médicas y Nutrición (SSA)


Hospitales sin disponibilidad de camas generales EDOMEX

• Hospital Bicentenario de la Independencia del ISSSTE en Tultitlán

• Centro Médico Adolfo López Mateos

• Hospital General de Toluca del ISSSTE


 

[DrJack54]

12 minutes ago, Dogmatix said:

was told that this chaos is partly due to people from Central provinces,

My guess is that's spot on.

As mentioned in earlier post I was not required to show any proof of where I lived. Simple question was asked...."where you live". I replied Din Daeng. That was it.

Edited July 28, 2021 by DrJack54

[SCOTT FITZGERSLD]

2 minutes ago, Dogmatix said:

Just pointing out we are already paying the same price in lives pre-opening as Mexico post-opening. 

indeed. agreed.

[anchadian]

From the total confirmed cases that were found in the past 24 hours:

 

- 13,447 were found via walk-in tests at medical facilities

- 3,076via proactive tests at known clusters

- 10 imported cases #โควิด19 #โควิด19วันนี้ #Thailand #Covid19

https://twitter.com/ThaiEnquirer/status/1420261613731409925

 

[rabas]

12 minutes ago, Neeranam said:

As more people are vaccinated daily, of course the trend will reverse, one doesn't need a crystal ball.

 

 

It does not take a crystal ball to know the trend will reverse.

 

It takes lots of science, math, and good data to even come close to knowing when.

[Neeranam]

Just now, rabas said:

It does not take a crystal ball to know the trend will reverse.

 

It takes lots of science, math, and good data to even come close to knowing when.

That was my point. 

[anchadian]

It doesn't look like the Phetchabun chicken plant is in play yet:

 

Of the 16,321 local cases, the highest numbers were 3,997 in Bangkok followed by 1,147 in Samut Sakhon, 1,088 in Samut Prakan, 864 in Chonburi, 585 in Kanchanaburi and 520 in Nonthaburi.

 

https://twitter.com/ThaiEnquirer/status/1420262705282174977

 

Edited July 28, 2021 by anchadian

[SCOTT FITZGERSLD]

3 minutes ago, Danderman123 said:

You are not keeping up on current events in Mexico. Here is the list of hospitals in Mexico City and environs that are not accepting new patients.

well i said just that. accept the death toll.

yes many hospitals will stop attending new corona patients.

yes more will die.

but not many more and the country will go bacl to life.

it is all in the numbers now.

[wensiensheng]

2 minutes ago, Neeranam said:

I don't agree with you that it will all be over but I agree with Prayud, that the new highs will be over. 

Interesting prediction. In 4 weeks, the vaccination rate for fully vaccinated might just crawl to about 7.5%. I don’t think vaccinations going from 5% to 7.5% will move the needle in terms of the course of the virus.

 

are there other factors that will do the job? Current restrictions?

[Dogmatix]

1 hour ago, Bkk Brian said:

 

House Speaker Chuan Leekpai said he has asked Foreign Minister Don Paramatwinai to flex some friendly muscle and ask for vaccine donation from the US which has 50 million doses left over. Don says MOFA is working on it and nothing has come out of it yet.

 

https://twitter.com/Thai_Talk/status/1420241740036939781

https://www.matichon.co.th/politics/news_2853388

 

Well, if you don't ask, you don't get.  But the US will say they have already donated Thailand its share which is the 1.5m doses meekly donated without conditions to the government. The US is mainly donating to the COVAX program which Thailand refused to join for reasons that never made any sense and now they are going through the motions of trying to join it after the distributions to middle income countries have finished.  The US had to make special provisions to donate to non-COVAX members like Thailand and it is under pressure donate all to low income countries via COVAX.

 

It goes without saying that it will be much harder for governments to justify donating any vaccines to Thailand, if it decides to cut off supplies to neighbouring countries via an export ban. The countries that have their orders withheld are more likely to get the donations and AZ might reduce the supply of inputs to Thailand in order to produce somewhere else to make up the shortfall from Thailand. Brilliant strategy.

[wensiensheng]

1 minute ago, SCOTT FITZGERSLD said:

well i said just that. accept the death toll.

yes many hospitals will stop attending new corona patients.

yes more will die.

but not many more and the country will go bacl to life.

it is all in the numbers now.

How many more is “not many more”? Kind of important to know if it is 10k, 100k or 1 million. And how did you come up with the figure?

[Bkk Brian]

5 minutes ago, Neeranam said:

It would be a sad world if everyone had your view and didn't debate with those they thought were ignorant. 

So go ahead and debate then, I'm not stopping you but I will stick to my own view thanks anyway

[Neeranam]

2 minutes ago, wensiensheng said:

Interesting prediction. In 4 weeks, the vaccination rate for fully vaccinated might just crawl to about 7.5%. I don’t think vaccinations going from 5% to 7.5% will move the needle in terms of the course of the virus.

 

are there other factors that will do the job? Current restrictions?

Take a look at the cases in other countries. The Uk for example, number of casrs soared at the start of July but are dropping now, also they soared last Dec but by the end of Jan had dropped significantly. 

[retsdon]

2 minutes ago, anchadian said:

From the total confirmed cases that were found in the past 24 hours:

 

- 13,447 were found via walk-in tests at medical facilities

- 3,076via proactive tests at known clusters

- 10 imported cases #โควิด19 #โควิด19วันนี้ #Thailand #Covid19

https://twitter.com/ThaiEnquirer/status/1420261613731409925

 

The high percentage of walk in cases is a red flag. Given the downside to being diagnosed with Covid,  it's hard to imagine that many people walk in for testing unless they require serious medical care. 

[Danderman123]

4 minutes ago, wensiensheng said:

Interesting prediction. In 4 weeks, the vaccination rate for fully vaccinated might just crawl to about 7.5%. I don’t think vaccinations going from 5% to 7.5% will move the needle in terms of the course of the virus.

 

are there other factors that will do the job? Current restrictions?

The hope is that the epidemic will move offstage, like in India.

[2 is 1]

1 minute ago, Neeranam said:

Take a look at the cases in other countries. The Uk for example, number of casrs soared at the start of July but are dropping now, also they soared last Dec but by the end of Jan had dropped significantly. 

And how many has jabbed in UK? Same in Thailand, few people whit sinovac!

[anchadian]

Only 3 more cases in Phetchabun from yesterday's update.

 

Each province's daily domestic COVID-19 cases update in Thailand on Wednesday

Total: 16,523

https://twitter.com/NBTWORLDNews/status/1420264369921789952

 

Edited July 28, 2021 by anchadian

[Dogmatix]

It seems like the virus is rapidly making its way to the provinces.  I am hearing that hospitals are already full in the district of rural Ubon I know well. The amphur government hospital is desperately calling for donations as it rushes to prepare 30 beds for critical patients and another 100 for near critical patients but lacks government funding to buy an Xray machine, respirators, PPE and everything else.  The hospital director, who finds time to treat patients himself, has already been hospitalised with COVID and recovered, so he knows what it's like.  Field hospitals are being set up in temples in the surrounding villages  

 

I fear that the pandemic will be utterly devastating in the Thai rural areas, as it has been in India, especially in Isaan which has about a third of the number of hospital beds per thousand people compared to Bangkok and much less than that, if you compare equipment and ICUs.

 

What is inspiring is that there are dedicated people in government healthcare service in rural areas like the hospital director who push themselves to the limit to provide decent healthcare for the local in spite of lack of government funding and support.  

[Eric Loh]

1 hour ago, Bkk Brian said:

 

House Speaker Chuan Leekpai said he has asked Foreign Minister Don Paramatwinai to flex some friendly muscle and ask for vaccine donation from the US which has 50 million doses left over. Don says MOFA is working on it and nothing has come out of it yet.

 

https://twitter.com/Thai_Talk/status/1420241740036939781

https://www.matichon.co.th/politics/news_2853388

 

Spiced with sarcasm and a dig at Don. US has not been paying serious attention to Thailand and ASEAN in general. A virtual ministerial meeting with Blinken in May was aborted due to a “glitch”. Perhaps US not happy with Don’s reluctance to condemn Myanmar or US has Middle East on their mind rather than Asean. Biden has yet to contact any of the Asean leaders. 

[wensiensheng]

10 minutes ago, Neeranam said:

Take a look at the cases in other countries. The Uk for example, number of casrs soared at the start of July but are dropping now, also they soared last Dec but by the end of Jan had dropped significantly. 

Indeed, the UK cases have dropped for 6 days. Is it possible that their relatively high vaccination rate is helping them?

 

anyway, the clock is ticking and in 2 weeks we will have an interim answer, in 3 weeks another check point and in 4 weeks a final conclusion.

[anchadian]

Today there were 133 deaths in #Thailand

 

65 males & 68 females

3 foreigners died

Median age is 64 (21-106 years)

Most deaths in Bangkok (45)

Deaths reported in 27 provinces

5 died in their homes

 

https://twitter.com/ThaiNewsReports/status/1420264418064027648

 

[Danderman123]

Anger as Covid-ravaged Malaysia lifts pandemic measures

 

this should be instructive for Thailand.

[SCOTT FITZGERSLD]

7 minutes ago, wensiensheng said:

But Thailand isn’t Mexico, is it. If you want your argument to be credible, I think you have to come up with some metrics that make sense for Thailand.

 

I’m not saying you are wrong, just that you haven’t made any kind of believable case for opening up.

well i am not a sceintist; i am just a sandboxer who stay in phuket and shocked

from the level of destruction of the place. most shops are closed forever.

most hotels are empty. completly.

so it is clear for me that many lives were lost here, and not from corona.

gone are the days of stopping the dirty farang at bay.

now the right thing to do is to open the country to all kinds of tourist, just

like many other countries did, spain; portugal, brazil, even south africa.

[Bkk Brian]

Out of 16,321 local cases (outside prisons) most in:

Bangkok - 3,977

Samut Sakhon - 1,147

Samut Prakan - 1,088

Chonburi - 864

Kanchanaburi - 585

Nonthaburi - 520

Nakhon Pathom - 476

Chachoengsao - 447

Ubon - 313

Pathum Thani 308

https://twitter.com/ThaiNewsReports/status/1420266136667451399

 

[anchadian]

35 minutes ago, anchadian said:

Thailand's Vaccine Tracker (July 28, 2021) About 5.61% of the population is fully vaccinated. 12,714,312 (+284,387) people have received the first dose, while 3,712,747 (+43,002) have been fully inoculated. #วัคซีนโควิด19 #COVID19 #ล็อกดาวน์ #KE

https://twitter.com/KhaosodEnglish/status/1420260139429367815

 

National Vaccination Rollout:

 

DAY 43: 248,648

DAY 44: 257,876

DAY 45: 279,576

DAY 46: 304,243

DAY 47: 352,879

DAY 48: 128,026 <— Saturday

DAY 49: 90,934 <— Sunday

DAY 50: 138,892 <— public holiday

DAY 51: 327,389

 

TOTAL: 12,326,538 doses

 

https://twitter.com/ThaiNewsReports/status/1420268596282806272

 

[foreverlomsak]

5 hours ago, ThailandRyan said:

The question is are the numbers from Phetcahbun included or not.

Nope, since being identified on Friday as 500+ rising to 3,000+ on Sunday (per the national paper we are not allowed to quote from) only 482 have appeared in the Dept. of Public Health figures for Sat to Wed.

I've always believed they have been involved in creative accounting, but this kind of shows it too clearly.

 

[FarFlungFalang]

5 hours ago, Danderman123 said:

You may not have thought this through. 

 

What you are saying is that a lockdown may be so effective that Covid deaths are lower than deaths from causes other than illness. And you think that is a bad things. 

That man that cries foul when others twist his words, if you can read you will see he says deaths due to lockdown and not deaths from causes other than the illness

[Cake Monster]

5 hours ago, ThailandRyan said:

Deaths and case numbers are moving upwards again.  The question is are the numbers from Phetcahbun included or not.  Guess we will have to wait until this afternoon to see the provincial breakdowns. Not buying the 56% of Bangkok's residents being vaccinated. Seems a little high to me with the numbers of vaccinations they are doing daily.

If you consider the total number of Vaccines that have been delivered, then there are a load of Porkie Pies .

[Cake Monster]

20 minutes ago, anchadian said:

National Vaccination Rollout:

 

DAY 43: 248,648

DAY 44: 257,876

DAY 45: 279,576

DAY 46: 304,243

DAY 47: 352,879

DAY 48: 128,026 <— Saturday

DAY 49: 90,934 <— Sunday

DAY 50: 138,892 <— public holiday

DAY 51: 327,389

 

TOTAL: 12,326,538 doses

 

https://twitter.com/ThaiNewsReports/status/1420268596282806272

 

I am so glad to see that on Days 48, 49, and 50, the people were given time off from giving the Inoculations.

After all, there is no urgency.

 

[James105]

36 minutes ago, wensiensheng said:

Indeed, the UK cases have dropped for 6 days. Is it possible that their relatively high vaccination rate is helping them?

 

anyway, the clock is ticking and in 2 weeks we will have an interim answer, in 3 weeks another check point and in 4 weeks a final conclusion.

Amusingly, just a few days earlier 1200 scientists backed a letter to the Lancet suggesting that the UK unlocking was a threat to the world.   Professor Ferguson, the man who claimed Bird flu could kill 150m worldwide (actual number just 282) and who ridiculously still has his job advising the government there, stated that unlocking would inevitably lead to 100,000 cases a day and would likely reach 200,000 a day.   I suspect they all wish they had waited a few more days before raising their concerns.    Worryingly, Neil Ferguson has plugged some new numbers into his modelling machine and now he says it will be over by September.    Since he is always wrong, I am now expecting disaster in the UK and a significant increase in cases in September.   

 

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/jul/16/englands-covid-unlocking-a-threat-to-the-world-experts-say

Edited July 28, 2021 by James105