Has Thaksin finally found a way of returning to Thailand ‘through the front door’?

[david555]

5 hours ago, OneMoreFarang said:

There was never any restriction for him to come back to Thailand. He has Thai citizenship, he could and can return anytime.

The only thing which holds him back is the fact that he thinks he is above the law. He is not. How many years does he need to understand that simple concept?

And the present one....? he broke the constitution law on a barrel of guns & army tanks 

[3NUMBAS]

thaksin must be better than a useless junta who dont care 

[DirtyHarry55]

55 minutes ago, Liverpool Lou said:

No, not "conflict of interest", he was found guilty of abuse of power, i.e. corruption.

Well no funny enough he was cleared of "Abuse Of Power" but found guilty of "Conflict Of Interest"

 

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The split decision by Thailand's supreme court on a five-to-four majority verdict cleared Thaksin, 59, of more serious charges of abuse of power to obtain the land at a bargain price.
 

"Thaksin violated the article of the constitution on conflict of interest, as he was then prime minister and head of a government and was supposed to work for the benefit of the public," said one of the nine-judge panel reading the verdict.

 

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2008/oct/21/thaksin-thailand-corruption

 

[david555]

26 minutes ago, pacovl46 said:

Why? How about tax evasion, corruption and the extrajudicial killing of 2275 people in his utterly doomed to fail war on drugs?! Does that work for you?! 

What you would think to come afloat on surface if (if ever) this ones in charge would be gone .....after such a long time in the driving seat ? ????

Edited July 29, 2021 by david555

[JensenZ]

5 hours ago, OneMoreFarang said:

There was never any restriction for him to come back to Thailand. He has Thai citizenship, he could and can return anytime.

The only thing which holds him back is the fact that he thinks he is above the law. He is not. How many years does he need to understand that simple concept?

 Who has been making the laws, now and after the coups that ousted them both? Yes, I believe his is above those laws, or those laws are beneath him.  

 

In Thailand it's the people with the biggest guns, paid for by taxpayers, who make the laws.

 

Edited July 29, 2021 by JensenZ

[OneMoreFarang]

14 minutes ago, 3NUMBAS said:

thaksin must be better than a useless junta who dont care 

Thaksin obviously cares.

Like: How much money can I make out of this.

[OneMoreFarang]

2 minutes ago, JensenZ said:

 Who has been making the laws, now and after the coup that ousted them both? Yes, I believe his is above those laws, or those laws are beneath him.  

 

In Thailand it's the people with the biggest guns, paid for by taxpayers, who make the laws.

 

How about people with the big wallets?

A Ferrari driver comes to my mind. And that 16 year old girl with the Benz, and and and 

 

Both are bad. And both won't go away anytime soon. TiT

[JensenZ]

5 hours ago, OneMoreFarang said:

Exactly which part of my 3 line comment don't you understand?

I will repeat my last line in bold and big letters. Maybe that helps you reading it. If you understand it depends your intelligence.

Some people pretend it must be Prayut or Thaksin. No! Those are just two of many options.

 

 If the last election is anything to go by, there are no other options other than the current PM. He yields his power very skillfully.

[JensenZ]

2 minutes ago, OneMoreFarang said:

How about people with the big wallets?

A Ferrari driver comes to my mind. And that 16 year old girl with the Benz, and and and 

 

Both are bad. And both won't go away anytime soon. TiT

When you have big guns, you rule over the people with big wallets. You own them. 

[LongTimeLurker]

5 hours ago, Mr Meeseeks said:

Could be deemed politically motivated after coups and juntas took over the country. 

 

The democratic process and the rule of law gets eroded to such a degree where it can't be trusted. 

Was it EVER really trusted in this country?

[david555]

1 hour ago, greeneking said:

Lots of well trodden ground covered on this thread. Looking forward to an answer to the question.

'Has Thaksin finally found a way of returning to Thailand ‘through the front door’?'

Even when he would come only close to the "N-East door" some would start sh....t..g their pants now 

[jvs]

3 hours ago, Mr Meeseeks said:

Perpetrated by the Thai Army. 

Of course i am not denying that but Thaksin was prime minister and there fore he was ultimitly

responsible don't you agree?

 

[candide]

25 minutes ago, JensenZ said:

 If the last election is anything to go by, there are no other options other than the current PM. He yields his power very skillfully.

Right. Thanks to the appointed Senate, there's no other option than him (or someone from the same network) being appointed PM. Other options would be completely unrealistic.

In theory, the appointed Senate arrangement is supposed to last only until 2024, but I would not be surprised if it would be extended beyond this date.

Edited July 29, 2021 by candide

[candide]

Just now, jvs said:

Of course i am not denying that but Thaksin was prime minister and there fore he was ultimitly

responsible don't you agree?

 

As mentioned before by another poster, the army doesn't obey elected governments.

[jvs]

3 hours ago, Phoenix Rising said:

You're assuming Thaksin was ever able to tell the army what to do and IMO your assumption is wrong.

No i am not assuming that,i remember a number of years a go i saw an interview on television,

i do not remember who said it but it was some one high up the totem pole in the army,

he said some thing like this"governments come and governments go but the army will be her forever"

In a democratic country with a democratic elected government it is the prime minister who is

in the end responsible.

And yes,i know we are in Thailand so normal rules do not apply.

[GrandPapillon]

4 minutes ago, candide said:

Right. Thanks to the appointed Senate, there's no other option than him (or someone from the same network) being appointed PM. Other options would be completely irrealistic.

In theory, the appointed Senate arrangement is supposed to last only until 2024, but I would not be surprised if it would be extended beyond this date.

I guess a population coup could change that,

[djayz]

2 hours ago, OneMoreFarang said:

Yes, they did vote for him. But that doesn't change anything about the fact that he is a convicted criminal.

He was convicted several times because he broke the law. That has nothing to do with the fact if he was elected of not. An elected criminal is still a criminal. 

Name one honest politician. 

[Benmart]

6 hours ago, keith101 said:

The only way he should be allowed back is if he goes to jail first .

I am not Thai, not a policeman any longer, not a lawyer, not the judge and not the jury. I merely read and hope things get better for the Thai people.

[hotchilli]

6 hours ago, webfact said:

The one wish Thaksin Shinawatra made while blowing out 72 candles on his birthday cake on Monday (July 26) was to be able to return home.

Yeah. a life of luxury and freedom in Dubai must be hard.

[Red Forever]

4 hours ago, OneMoreFarang said:

Thaksin let his red shirts and MiB do the dirty work... 

Prayut let Suthep and his armed yellow shirt thugs do the dirty work...

[HappyinNE]

In my opinion he would sure help the current crisis.  Maybe not my first choice but one a lot of the people would follow.  A hell of a lot better than the current clowns.

[Gottfrid]

6 hours ago, OneMoreFarang said:

Why are two convicted criminals the best chance?

Are there no competent and honest people in Thailand?

Some people pretend it must be Prayut or Thaksin. No! Those are just two of many options.

1. Because they are the only two that can manage to unite most of the population.

2. You know the answer to your second question, right?

 

After you have been the most active in this thread with 16 posts, I must congratulate you over the effort to avoid answering the question below.
 

6 hours ago, Liverpool Lou said:

How about the corruption conviction?

As the person that received the question refuse to answer it, I will do. The thing is very simple. He was convicted for all his alleged crimes during the reign of military regime. As for a fact, we all know that is not something that is accepted as fair and lawful trials in the international community.

If that is not enough, we can also look at what many other persons that are still free to run around in Thailand has done. Absolutely nothing different compared to Taksin. What you just read is also the answer why the person who received the question refused to answer it. 

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[robblok]

Not sure why people think this is between Thaksin wo surely can't get back in politics given his previous convictions and a huge caseload waiting to go to trial and a junta leader who is so unpopular right now.

 

Maybe its time for an other option. How about some of those student leaders and stuff. 

[samtam]

6 hours ago, OneMoreFarang said:

Why are two convicted criminals the best chance?

Are there no competent and honest people in Thailand?

Some people pretend it must be Prayut or Thaksin. No! Those are just two of many options.

Yes of course there are. What is irrefutable however, is that they have little or no chance of ever getting into power with the political and social structure that grips this country with an iron fist. You have to break the iron fist to allow them to emerge. Getting to that point, and what would follow would be bloody, and extremely chaotic for generations to come.

[Eric Loh]

Judging from the number of Pheuthai politicians including Jatuporn, former commerce minister Boonsong and his deputy Poom huge reduction in jail time, Apichart's jail reduction in connection with the rice pledging scandal and recent court revoking previous order requiring Yingluck to pay a fine of 35.7 billion baht for the rice pledging scheme and nothing of any outcries by prominent junta or yellow shirt leaders, I think it is safe for Thaksin to made a return. Just need a pardon or the court reversing orders for re-trials. He then can come back and be on bail. Outcome of the court of his cases pretty much determined beforehand.  

[Robin]

Taksin's worst crime was that he was a better politician than the existing rabble, and he understood electoral politics better than they did:

he offered Thailand policies that would benefit the majority, and when elected he put these policies into effect.  This made him so popular that the Elite, from top to bottom, were terrified of his success, and had to remove him in the only way they knew:  with the Army and no by the ballot box  If Taksin returned to Thailand a free man and was allowed to contest an election, he would probably win again, and the whole cycle start again.  There really is no hope for the country.

[Dogmatix]

That square faced gentleman who waltzed past Prayut without waiing on the first day of the sandbox was Thaksin.

[OneMoreFarang]

17 minutes ago, Gottfrid said:

6 hours ago, OneMoreFarang said:

Why are two convicted criminals the best chance?

Are there no competent and honest people in Thailand?

Some people pretend it must be Prayut or Thaksin. No! Those are just two of many options.

1. Because they are the only two that can manage to unite most of the population.

2. You know the answer to your second question, right?

 

After you have been the most active in this thread with 16 posts, I must congratulate you over the effort to avoid answering the question below.
 

6 hours ago, Liverpool Lou said:

How about the corruption conviction?

As the person that received the question refuse to answer it, I will do. The thing is very simple. He was convicted for all his alleged crimes during the reign of military regime. As for a fact, we all know that is not something that is accepted as fair and lawful trials in the international community.

If that is not enough, we can also look at what many other persons that are still free to run around in Thailand has done. Absolutely nothing different compared to Taksin. What you just read is also the answer why the person who received the question refused to answer it. 

I don't know why I should answer all those questions.

I make it short: I was in Thailand since before Thaksin started with politics, when he was elected, when he admitted his "honest mistake", when he was in charge and enriched himself, and every day when news was reported about him. I was also here when the "first" coup happend, I was here when his little sister said she doesn't want to go into politics and later she changed her mind. I could go on and on. I was here and I saw the news every day and I talked to Thai and foreigners every day. I remember a good part of what happend but I really don't want to spend a couple of hours or days to explain it here.

You write: "Thaksin can unite most of the population". What a bad joke. Nobody before him divided the people like he did. He wants to divide the people. He doesn't even try to unite the country.

And about honest people in Thailand: There are many honest people in Thailand. And they could be elected if the majority of Thai voters would vote for honest people. But that's not what the majority want. They don't want smart and educated people like i.e. Abhisit. It seems most Thais vote for the highest bidders and/or they vote for the person the village head tells them to vote for. Thais vote again and again for corrupt people. And if i.e. the corrupt father is banned from politics people vote for the wife or the son or the daughter. They would vote for the maid if their corrupt local hero tells them to do that.

And that is obviously stupid. How can people again and again vote for corrupt politicians and then the same people are surprised when they get a corrupt government?

Thailand has lots of smart and honest people. But until now the majority of Thais didn't vote for them. Maybe that will change one day. Maybe it will take a long time. But my point is: There are honest people and there are alternatives to Prayut and Thaksin. It's up to the Thai people to vote for honest people. Over to them.

[robblok]

6 minutes ago, OneMoreFarang said:

I don't know why I should answer all those questions.

I make it short: I was in Thailand since before Thaksin started with politics, when he was elected, when he admitted his "honest mistake", when he was in charge and enriched himself, and every day when news was reported about him. I was also here when the "first" coup happend, I was here when his little sister said she doesn't want to go into politics and later she changed her mind. I could go on and on. I was here and I saw the news every day and I talked to Thai and foreigners every day. I remember a good part of what happend but I really don't want to spend a couple of hours or days to explain it here.

You write: "Thaksin can unite most of the population". What a bad joke. Nobody before him divided the people like he did. He wants to divide the people. He doesn't even try to unite the country.

And about honest people in Thailand: There are many honest people in Thailand. And they could be elected if the majority of Thai voters would vote for honest people. But that's not what the majority want. They don't want smart and educated people like i.e. Abhisit. It seems most Thais vote for the highest bidders and/or they vote for the person the village head tells them to vote for. Thais vote again and again for corrupt people. And if i.e. the corrupt father is banned from politics people vote for the wife or the son or the daughter. They would vote for the maid if their corrupt local hero tells them to do that.

And that is obviously stupid. How can people again and again vote for corrupt politicians and then the same people are surprised when they get a corrupt government?

Thailand has lots of smart and honest people. But until now the majority of Thais didn't vote for them. Maybe that will change one day. Maybe it will take a long time. But my point is: There are honest people and there are alternatives to Prayut and Thaksin. It's up to the Thai people to vote for honest people. Over to them.

True i was here too during Thaksin, every time the guy was lying and scandals came up. Just the current guy and yes the guy did not unite people. Just like this the current one doest not. Thaksin did what he wanted and covered everything up (YL did the same with the rice program) Prayut with vaccines and watches and others. 

 

Why so many people don't see the similarities is a wonder to me. Once in power they are all corrupt doing their best to cover their asses deny everything do whatever they want no matter what evidence is found against them they deny it. So why would you want either of those. 

Edited July 29, 2021 by robblok