9 minutes ago, LongTimeLurker said:

 But 'flu isn't always mild. According to ONC in UK over 50,000 Excess Winter Deaths occurred due to a new form of 'flu, which is more than Covid caused in the same period since its invention.

Yes, but personally I never worried about the flu. But this virus is scary...

3 minutes ago, StayinThailand2much said:

Yes, but personally I never worried about the flu. But this virus is scary...

That's probably what the 'owl <deleted>' thought back in 2018 /2019 (forgot the date in the previous post).

 

But did anyone else hear of it?

21 hours ago, cclub75 said:

 

You want to know the future ?

 

Look at Philippines...

 

Record "cases"... but they open again.

 

Source : https://www.reuters.com/world/asia-pacific/philippines-duterte-relax-coronavirus-curbs-capital-region-2021-08-19/

 

Because they can't mimic anymore the madness of rich western countries.

 

We put on the side Reality since january 2020... Now Reality is coming back. With a vengeance.

 

Do you seriously believe that millions, dozen of millions of people (just for South East Asia) will continue to keep quiet... after loosing everything ? That we can continue with closures, the destruction of the economy ?

 

That's a wet dream for terrified old baby boomers in western countries.

 

Thailand is NOT a poor country. It is a country of inequality.  Similarly the Philippines....

 

The Philippines has remittances from the millions of overseas workers to prop up the "rural" economy. Unfortunately these remittances are also affected by covid restrictions in other countries.

On 8/20/2021 at 7:09 AM, LongTimeLurker said:

Sweden???

@LongTimeLurker  i was quoting someone else, and that ridiculous statement.   lockdown supporters always wheel out that argument.  i can assure you im no lockdown supporter, im the exact opposite 

On 8/19/2021 at 4:04 PM, bartender100 said:

It's why I think Australia and New Zealand with be locked down the longest, Covid is not going away they will need to bite the bullet sooner or later and open up

Yep, I can't help thinking they're just delaying the inevitable in Australia and NZ. 

Their governments are behaving like those parents who won't let their kids play in the mud and who disinfect everything in sight. 

 

I have a few friends in Oz and some are posting bizarre stuff on social media, sounding petrified because 1 Covid case has been found in an entire city. On the other hand I see a few who are fiercely anti-lockdown. 

 

Only time will tell which (if any) countries got the tactics right, but I just don't think the 'zero Covid' approach can work. 

On 8/20/2021 at 7:09 AM, LongTimeLurker said:

Sweden???

Sweden was a disaster.  Compare it to its neighbours (not countries with big cities like UK) and you will find the truth.

Incidentally, I have a old school friend who lives in Stockholm - he is raging about the government incompetencies - quite the opposite reaction from what I expected from this guy

Flu experts estimate at least 5 to 20% of a population get the flu in a severe season.  lifestyle and interactions make estimates very considerably.  Since COVID vaccinated people are now fairly commonly being detected as having, or carrying and being able to transmit the COVID, well.. It will spread.  There are many dieseases out there that are spread and caught by many people that go under the radar unless one really digs.  What policies to implement and follow?  Well, no social distancing is being followed very well.  Here in the USA people go shopping and no longer stand 6 feet apart and many stores do not even have the markers on the floor any more, go to work, go to casinos.  Goodness, they have live streaming telecasts on the utube of poker games and people sitting elbow to elbow.  Sporting events are allowing fans, etc.  So the virus is likely to continue to be caught and transmitted.  I don't think there is anyway they will shut things down as they did before.  Many businesses and companies are mandating vaccinations.  many restaurants and pubs are being told they must only allow in vaccinated people.  While that sounds nice, but if the virus is able to be caught and transmitted by a vaccinated person, its usefulness in stopping a spread is suspect. 

On 8/21/2021 at 8:04 PM, LongTimeLurker said:

By the US via Faucci who was funding this sort of research in Wuhan!

Misinformation.

 

The subcontractor in Wuhan was specifically barred from enhancing bat viruses that were being studied.
 

more to the point, do you really think that, if China wanted to weaponize bat viruses, they would need money from the US?

On 8/20/2021 at 6:31 PM, pizzachang said:

Endemic, just like every other rhino and corona virus.

Nearly everyone survives, unless they have a weak immune system, or other diagnosed health issues.

Of course, about 90% of people have some sort of underlying health issue, so there is that.

On 8/20/2021 at 10:05 AM, raccos21 said:

I think it could be the vaccines that are juicing up the deadly variants, like the Delta that you mentioned, because as we can see, the number of different variants is significantly rising after the vaccines rolled out and is still able to infect not only unvaccinated people but also fully vaccinated people. 

Juicing up eh.........love the technical jargon. The rest of your post also has no basis in science. 

3 hours ago, jacko45k said:

Juicing up eh.........love the technical jargon. The rest of your post also has no basis in science. 

Yeah, yeah, I know......because  science isn't my favorite subject at school. 

On 8/21/2021 at 5:47 AM, Danderman123 said:

What is DFAT?

You can google DFAT - it should be your first listing.  Prefer to keep relatively anon in these forums.  Sometimes express myself too strongly ????

On 8/20/2021 at 7:51 AM, edogthong said:

Thank you for that information. It's fascinating how people are just ignoring it because it doesn't fit the narrative. It seems that many need to believe that the vaccines will be the solution that brings us back to normal life. I suppose if you've taken the jab or even just fully committed to taking it, you're generally not open to any information that'll put your decision into question. 

This is what happens when you spread this nonsense misinformation to the gullible and misinformed:

 

More Mississippians Using Ivermectin For Livestock Against Covid-19, Then Calling Poison Control (forbes.com)

 

Just stop.

10 hours ago, Danderman123 said:

Misinformation.

 

The subcontractor in Wuhan was specifically barred from enhancing bat viruses that were being studied.
 

more to the point, do you really think that, if China wanted to weaponize bat viruses, they would need money from the US?

That's not what Faucci said!!

 

And it wasn't China that wanted to weaponize bat viruses, it was the country paying for the research!!

16 hours ago, sharksy said:

Sweden was a disaster.  Compare it to its neighbours (not countries with big cities like UK) and you will find the truth.

Incidentally, I have a old school friend who lives in Stockholm - he is raging about the government incompetencies - quite the opposite reaction from what I expected from this guy

Sweden didn't ruin it's economy for 0.14% of it's population.

5 hours ago, Jimbo2014 said:

You can google DFAT - it should be your first listing.  Prefer to keep relatively anon in these forums.  Sometimes express myself too strongly ????

That's 10 seconds of my life wasted. 

3 hours ago, LongTimeLurker said:

Sweden didn't ruin it's economy for 0.14% of it's population.

Ultimately, it's all down to the level of selfishness.

If one is well and healthy, I can understand this sentiment.

 

How would you feel if you (for example) had a young child who had been suffering from an illness all their life, but looked good to go for another 40 years at least.

Would you say, sorry son, you might not see your next birthday, but hey, the economy is good?

On 8/19/2021 at 8:16 PM, Danderman123 said:

Or something else happened to stop the wave.

aliens?

15 hours ago, Danderman123 said:

That's 10 seconds of my life wasted. 

Sorry to hear - better luck next time.