Protection from virus down to 50% after 6 months AZ and Pfizer

[Harveyg]

The gravy train is in full swing, overflowing with present and future outlooks. Better than crypto?

[fredscats]

2 hours ago, Kanada said:

and now for “the rest of the story”

...."and now for the rest of the story"   lol  Worldometer states Isaeli infections at record high   Today    Not much effectiveness there     Hope this does knock you off balance  lol

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[Chomper Higgot]

15 minutes ago, fredscats said:

...."and now for the rest of the story"   lol  Worldometer states Isaeli infections at record high   Today    Not much effectiveness there

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Once again, misleading the board.

 

The number of infections is only party of the assessment on the effectiveness of a vaccine.

 

Before asserting ‘Not much effectiveness’ you need to also present the data for hospitalizations, time spent in hospitals and deaths.

 

You also need to provide these same dats for Israelis whonare not vaccinated and partially vaccinated.

 

Your assertion of ‘Not much effectiveness there’ is made without the necessary data to back it up.

 

Put simply - you cherry picked.... again!

 

 

[Farmerslife]

https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/covid-in-israel-serious-cases-stable-drop-among-vaccinated-1.10152763

[Nojohndoe]

4 hours ago, fredscats said:

"efficiency" "effectivness" both the same effectively,the time scale they stay effective seems to limit the "overstated" opinion though

Both the same "effectively" ? Related but in medical and  genuine research terminology differentiated  !

Whatever floats  your boat I am not impressed  with  distortions for the sake of  irrelevant debate to reality subject to what may involve various terms of personal investment.

[cdemundo]

On 8/25/2021 at 5:50 AM, fredscats said:

Not imagination    Called "breakthrough infection" and its happening   (according the the head guy in infection).    Two/booster vaccinations are not enough

But what else do you suggest?

[Sheryl]

Flaming and bickering posts have been removed. Please keep it civil.

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4 hours ago, fredscats said:

Worldometer  Israeli covid infections...as of 26/8/2021   Brace and Bib support there...sorta blows you away

To put it starkly, on the one hand there are covid infections, and on the other there's covid death. How well do the vaccinated fare vs. the unvaccinated? Or in your  system, are they scored the same?

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[Bday Prang]

So many self appointed "experts"  the majority of whom seem to live in a permanent state of fear, and spend most of their time trying to instill fear and panic in everybody else.  Why can't you all just shut up .   Also quoting sky news or any other mainstream media hardly adds wieght to any claims

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11 minutes ago, Bday Prang said:

So many self appointed "experts"  the majority of whom seem to live in a permanent state of fear, and spend most of their time trying to instill fear and panic in everybody else.  Why can't you all just shut up .   Also quoting sky news or any other mainstream media hardly adds wieght to any claims

Another attempt at mind  reading. You want to claim the the vast majjority of epidemiologist and virologists are inspired by fear, be my guest. No rational person would take you seriously. 

[fredscats]

6 hours ago, Bday Prang said:

So many self appointed "experts"  the majority of whom seem to live in a permanent state of fear, and spend most of their time trying to instill fear and panic in everybody else.  Why can't you all just shut up .   Also quoting sky news or any other mainstream media hardly adds wieght to any claims

COVID latest news live: UK cases up nearly a fifth in a week and rising in the vaccinated .....    As of yesterday

 

No but it does put" scores on the doors"  how else to get numbers?  Breakthrough infection is the terminology,and after a few short months and even weeks back to square one    UK will be in lockdown soon enough,as for Thailand might as well as throw away the key

[Kanada]

8 hours ago, placeholder said:

Another attempt at mind  reading. You want to claim the the vast majjority of epidemiologist and virologists are inspired by fear, be my guest. No rational person would take you seriously. 

I don’t see where he said that at all !!

The self appointed experts he’s referring to are half dozen TV meme era that have appointed themselves as experts on all subjects pertaining to Covid????

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31 minutes ago, Kanada said:

I don’t see where he said that at all !!

The self appointed experts he’s referring to are half dozen TV meme era that have appointed themselves as experts on all subjects pertaining to Covid????

He's claiming their comments are inspired by fear. Yet their comments tally with those of the vast majority of epidemiologists and virologists. So comments that agree with the science are inspired by fear?

[Chomper Higgot]

2 hours ago, fredscats said:

COVID latest news live: UK cases up nearly a fifth in a week and rising in the vaccinated .....    As of yesterday

 

No but it does put" scores on the doors"  how else to get numbers?  Breakthrough infection is the terminology,and after a few short months and even weeks back to square one    UK will be in lockdown soon enough,as for Thailand might as well as throw away the key

A quote that is clearly highlighted within the article you have so kindly linked:

 

England's vaccination programme has prevented up to 109,500 deaths - PHE

The latest figures suggest between 102,500 and 109,500 deaths have been directly prevented by the vaccination programme, according to estimates by Public Health England. 

 

Previous estimates put the number between 91,700 and 98,700 deaths. 

 

Approximately 82,100 hospital admissions have also been prevented. 

 

 

[fredscats]

1 hour ago, Chomper Higgot said:

A quote that is clearly highlighted within the article you have so kindly linked:

 

England's vaccination programme has prevented up to 109,500 deaths - PHE

The latest figures suggest between 102,500 and 109,500 deaths have been directly prevented by the vaccination programme, according to estimates by Public Health England. 

 

Previous estimates put the number between 91,700 and 98,700 deaths. 

 

Approximately 82,100 hospital admissions have also been prevented. 

 

 

"linked" to what?   Previous ESTIMATES,when was "previous"  last week, month, year...now Delta is raging again,link it to that..Nightingale hospitals opening up again

 The thread was vaccines are no good....5 year hopefully,now not even 5 to 15 weeks and booster shots are needed as effectivness falls off/needs replacing

[Chomper Higgot]

11 minutes ago, fredscats said:

"linked" to what?   Previous ESTIMATES,when was "previous"  last week, month, year...now Delta is raging again,link it to that..Nightingale hospitals opening up again

 The thread was vaccines are no good....5 year hopefully,now not even 5 to 15 weeks and booster shots are needed as effectivness falls off/needs replacing

You linked the article now you ramble at me because you have s problem with what the article has to say.

 

Please read articles before posting links to them and if you don’t like what the article says don’t post the link.

 

 

[CharlieH]

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[CharlieH]

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