Chilling

[fredscats]

Looking on ex members blog page last 6 or so days there in UK ( ex uniformed public sector)  Monthly meet ups ,swanky place ,lots of booze and food offered, about 30 to 40 in attendence., handshakes ,back stabbing slapping  galore etc.

 

One attendee felt unwell after meeting, day after covid confirmed, admitted to hospital,condtion worsening.Now those guys would be jabbed up to the eyeballs,,but panic stricken is an understatment at the mo,phones pinging off the wall,awaiting to see if the guy in question survives,or if any of them do as all of them well into 60s and 70s of age   Still the pension fund will be a lot better off if they kick the bucket  Death rates up over 12% there as of yesterday,figures going north as well

[fredscats]

Everyone of the guys above would have been exposed to the fullest of viral loads,not a passing glance at one. One guy there just buried his wife,much distraught,some of the guys thought it would brighten him up a bit at a meet up..might be following his wife into her grave shortly,few now reporting problems,   glad Im 'ere in a way

 

Interesting study into the effectiveness of jabs with Delta flying around

[Chomper Higgot]

10 minutes ago, fredscats said:

Everyone of the guys above would have been exposed to the fullest of viral loads,not a passing glance at one. One guy there just buried his wife,much distraught,some of the guys thought it would brighten him up a bit at a meet up..might be following his wife into her grave shortly,few now reporting problems,   glad Im 'ere in a way

 

Interesting study into the effectiveness of jabs with Delta flying around

A lot of assumptions there.

 

Reads as if you are wishing the worst for these people.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Edited August 29, 2021 by Chomper Higgot

[fredscats]

31 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

A lot of assumptions there.

 

Reads as if you are wishing the worst for these people.

 

 

 

 

 

 

I see you edited these two lines lol  was it that hard?

[Rimmer]

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[i84teen]

One August 6, 2021 UK’s Public Health England published this document on their website (see attached link below):

^{SARS-CoV-2 variants of concern and variants under investigation in England Technical briefing 20}

The report indicates: Out of the 742 deaths, 402 were fully vaccinated. 79 had received one shot. Only 253 were unvaccinated.”

(refer to Table 5: pg 18 to 19)

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/1009243/Technical_Briefing_20.pdf

 

No conspiracy in facts, unless you can convince me the website link is fake and/or the data contained therein is incorrect.

Edited August 29, 2021 by i84teen

[Chomper Higgot]

34 minutes ago, i84teen said:

One August 6, 2021 UK’s Public Health England published this document on their website (see attached link below):

^{SARS-CoV-2 variants of concern and variants under investigation in England Technical briefing 20}

The report indicates: Out of the 742 deaths, 402 were fully vaccinated. 79 had received one shot. Only 253 were unvaccinated.”

(refer to Table 5: pg 18 to 19)

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/1009243/Technical_Briefing_20.pdf

 

No conspiracy in facts, unless you can convince me the website link is fake and/or the data contained therein is incorrect.

So now the 'Conspiracy peddler' has been removed from the equation we are left with the question, do you understand the data you have posted?

 

 

At the time of the data being published the UK had achieved full vaccination of 78% of people over the age of 16, while 88% of people over 16 had received at least one injection. https://www.bbc.com/news/health-55274833 Let's first work with the number of fully vaccinated persons. 

 

If the vaccination has no impact on survival then it shall be expected that 78% of all deaths are from people who are double vaccinated.

 

There are 742 deaths of which 78% (578) ought to be amongst those who are fully vaccinated. The actual number is 402 deaths (106 people walking around that would if they had not had their double dose of vaccine be dead).

 

For singly vaccinated deaths the calculation is (Single%-Double%)*total = 10% of 742 = 74 deaths. 5 more deaths than would be expected, I let readers decide for themselves if they believe that is significant. 

 

 

Now for the unvaccinated who as a percentage of the over 16 populate are calculated as  (100%-At least one vaccine injection%) = (100%-88%) = 12%.

 

If not having a vaccine has no impact then it shall be expected that 12% of all deaths are amongst the unvaccinated 12% of 742 = 89 deaths. 

 

As you rightly say, 253 deaths were amongst the unvaccinated which is 164 more deaths than were necessary had these people been vaccinated. 

 

Lesson 1. Go get your jabs

Lesson 2. If you've had your first jab, go get your second. 

 

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Now let's look at emergency visits:

(Number in parenthesis is the expected number of cases based on the percentage each group represent in the general population)

 

Total Emergency Visits 24,710

Emergency visits to fully vaccinated persons 4,471 (19,273) = 14,802 fewer than expected. 

Emergency Visits to singly vaccinated persons 5,061 (2,471) = 2,590 more than expected. 

Emergency visits to unvaccinated persons 14,951 (2,965) = 11,986 more than expected. 

 

 

Lesson 1. Go get your jabs

Lesson 2. If you've had your first jab, go get your second. 

 

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Now let's look at hospital admissions:

(Number in parenthesis is the expected number of cases based on the percentage each group represent in the general population)

 

Total Hospital Admissions 8,189

Hospital Admissions of fully vaccinated persons 2,128 (6,387) = 4,259 fewer than expected. 

Hospital Admissions of singly vaccinated persons  1,238 (819) =  419 more than expected. 

Hospital Admissions of unvaccinated persons 4,698 (982) = 3,716 more than expected. 

 

 

Lesson 1. Go get your jabs

Lesson 2. If you've had your first jab, go get your second. 

      

 

The data you have linked to clearly indicates that vaccinations have saved lives, saved emergency visits and saved hospital admissions. 

 

Thank you for posting the link.

 

 

 

[fredscats]

3 hours ago, i84teen said:

One August 6, 2021 UK’s Public Health England published this document on their website (see attached link below):

^{SARS-CoV-2 variants of concern and variants under investigation in England Technical briefing 20}

The report indicates: Out of the 742 deaths, 402 were fully vaccinated. 79 had received one shot. Only 253 were unvaccinated.”

(refer to Table 5: pg 18 to 19)

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/1009243/Technical_Briefing_20.pdf

 

No conspiracy in facts, unless you can convince me the website link is fake and/or the data contained therein is incorrect.

Yes govt figures   Anyway the public announcement from the group has been shut down,individual reporting now,but recent information looks bad

[placeholder]

1 hour ago, Chomper Higgot said:

So now the 'Conspiracy peddler' has been removed from the equation we are left with the question, do you understand the data you have posted?

 

 

At the time of the data being published the UK had achieved full vaccination of 78% of people over the age of 16, while 88% of people over 16 had received at least one injection. https://www.bbc.com/news/health-55274833 Let's first work with the number of fully vaccinated persons. 

 

If the vaccination has no impact on survival then it shall be expected that 78% of all deaths are from people who are double vaccinated.

 

There are 742 deaths of which 78% (578) ought to be amongst those who are fully vaccinated. The actual number is 402 deaths (106 people walking around that would if they had not had their double dose of vaccine be dead).

 

For singly vaccinated deaths the calculation is (Single%-Double%)*total = 10% of 742 = 74 deaths. 5 more deaths than would be expected, I let readers decide for themselves if they believe that is significant. 

 

 

Now for the unvaccinated who as a percentage of the over 16 populate are calculated as  (100%-At least one vaccine injection%) = (100%-88%) = 12%.

 

If not having a vaccine has no impact then it shall be expected that 12% of all deaths are amongst the unvaccinated 12% of 742 = 89 deaths. 

 

As you rightly say, 253 deaths were amongst the unvaccinated which is 164 more deaths than were necessary had these people been vaccinated. 

 

Lesson 1. Go get your jabs

Lesson 2. If you've had your first jab, go get your second. 

 

----

 

Now let's look at emergency visits:

(Number in parenthesis is the expected number of cases based on the percentage each group represent in the general population)

 

Total Emergency Visits 24,710

Emergency visits to fully vaccinated persons 4,471 (19,273) = 14,802 fewer than expected. 

Emergency Visits to singly vaccinated persons 5,061 (2,471) = 2,590 more than expected. 

Emergency visits to unvaccinated persons 14,951 (2,965) = 11,986 more than expected. 

 

 

Lesson 1. Go get your jabs

Lesson 2. If you've had your first jab, go get your second. 

 

-----

 

Now let's look at hospital admissions:

(Number in parenthesis is the expected number of cases based on the percentage each group represent in the general population)

 

Total Hospital Admissions 8,189

Hospital Admissions of fully vaccinated persons 2,128 (6,387) = 4,259 fewer than expected. 

Hospital Admissions of singly vaccinated persons  1,238 (819) =  419 more than expected. 

Hospital Admissions of unvaccinated persons 4,698 (982) = 3,716 more than expected. 

 

 

Lesson 1. Go get your jabs

Lesson 2. If you've had your first jab, go get your second. 

      

 

The data you have linked to clearly indicates that vaccinations have saved lives, saved emergency visits and saved hospital admissions. 

 

Thank you for posting the link.

 

 

 

 I'm not going to dig into this but if it follows the pattern I've seen elsewhere, the vaccinated mortalities skew older than the unvaccinated ones. Which makes the case for being vaccinated even stronger.

[CharlieH]

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[Chomper Higgot]

57 minutes ago, fredscats said:

Yes govt figures   Anyway the public announcement from the group has been shut down,individual reporting now,but recent information looks bad

Opinions without data.

[Farmerslife]

From today's Observer 

Simon Clarke, associate professor in cellular microbiology at Reading University, said that in the week ending 20 August, the ONS estimated that 756,900 people in England were infected with Covid-19, which equated to one person in 70.

“This time last year, the ONS estimated that 28,200 people in England were infected. That is the equivalent of one person in 1,900 being infected with Covid-19. That means that community infections are 26 times more common now than they were a year ago, when the population was unvaccinated and the country was three months into its reopening.”

The fact that deaths and hospital admissions from Covid-19 are a fraction of their levels in August 2020 demonstrates the protective power of the vaccines – more than 60% of the UK population has had two jabs.

“The last time infections were at their current level in England was late January,” said Kevin McConway, emeritus professor of applied statistics at the Open University. “There were around 2,300 daily hospital admissions and 1,100 deaths a day then. By contrast, the most recent daily figures for England are about 770 hospital admissions and about 80 deaths.”

[DavisH]

1 hour ago, placeholder said:

 I'm not going to dig into this but if it follows the pattern I've seen elsewhere, the vaccinated mortalities skew older than the unvaccinated ones. Which makes the case for being vaccinated even stronger.

Same issue with the data from Israel. Most are vaccinated, so of course we see many breakthrough cases. Not many in vulnerable groups are unvaccinated, but make a significant proportion of those hosptalised. 

[pookondee]

39 minutes ago, Farmerslife said:

From today's Observer 

Simon Clarke, associate professor in cellular microbiology at Reading University, said that in the week ending 20 August, the ONS estimated that 756,900 people in England were infected with Covid-19, which equated to one person in 70.

“This time last year, the ONS estimated that 28,200 people in England were infected. That is the equivalent of one person in 1,900 being infected with Covid-19. That means that community infections are 26 times more common now than they were a year ago, when the population was unvaccinated and the country was three months into its reopening.”

The fact that deaths and hospital admissions from Covid-19 are a fraction of their levels in August 2020 demonstrates the protective power of the vaccines – more than 60% of the UK population has had two jabs.

“The last time infections were at their current level in England was late January,” said Kevin McConway, emeritus professor of applied statistics at the Open University. “There were around 2,300 daily hospital admissions and 1,100 deaths a day then. By contrast, the most recent daily figures for England are about 770 hospital admissions and about 80 deaths.”

When a higher portion of the public is vaccinated it stands to reason the figures are going to reflect high infection rates in that group.

If 95% of a society was vaccinated, it would stand to reason that virtually ALL hospitalizations would be those vaccinated, no?

 

It doesnt really mean much if hospitalizations and deaths are way lower, as the previous post above demonstrates.

 

We are always hearing doom and gloom stats, yet never hear about what percentage are A-symptomatic.

(those who have to take a test just to see if they have it).

 

Likewise in many countries we just hear infection figures all day long,

yet never hear a word about figures on the recovered people or people released from hospital.

 

Edited August 29, 2021 by pookondee