Phuket Opinion: A tradition of corruption

[webfact]

Photo: NNT

 

By The Phuket News

 

PHUKET: The outrageous killing of drug suspect in custody in Nakhon Sawan by suffocating him with plastic bags tied over his head this week has brought the spotlight yet again onto violent corrupt police in Thailand – and there is absolutely nothing new in how this latest despicable act is being treated to lead the public into believing that anything will be done to prevent similar abuses in the future.

 

National Police chief Pol Gen Suwat Jangyodsuk’s statement that the killing of 24-year-old Chiraphong Thanapat while being interrogated by no less than six officers under the direct command of Pol Col Thitisan Utthanaphon, chief of Nakhon Sawan Police Station at the time, had “damaged the image of the Royal Thai Police” needs to be taken not with a pinch of salt, but a whole dose of them. The only way this incident can cause more damage to an image that has been blighted with corruption for decades is to lay down the principle that killing people in custody is a “no-no”.

 

Public perception was already out of the gate within hours of of Thitisan being presented at the national police headquarters in Bangkok on Thursday night with Thai social media abuzz with concerns that police were already working to protect their own. That public understanding of how the Royal Thai Police works did not come out of nowhere; that is exactly how people understand how the Royal Thai Police works.

 

Full story: https://www.thephuketnews.com/phuket-opinion-a-tradition-of-corruption-81217.php

 

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[Rampant Rabbit]

Why  not start with the "protection money" they ask for every  month from all  local  businesses  ie the RED BOX  scheme  foreigners  know  about, its  all  illegal all in cash and never  declared.

[SCOTT FITZGERSLD]

22 minutes ago, Rampant Rabbit said:

RED BOX  scheme  foreigners  know  about

What is it?

[SCOTT FITZGERSLD]

2 hours ago, webfact said:

lay down the principle that killing people in custody is a “no-no”.

haha that is funny. not the killing of "people in custody"  is a no no, but the

TORTURING of suspects is the big NO NO.

NO NO NO it is not ok to torture people in custody, even if only because it eliminate

the whole JUSTICE from the justice system.

the defence line of the JOE FERRARI torturing policeman is that he did not mean to kill

him nor to extort him, but just to extort information from him.

"i was just doing myjob", said the joe ferrari.

you see, he is so used to torture, and the police is so accepting of torturing, and

the thai public is so accepting this horror police policy, that you really

need to start by eplaining that NO NO NO YOU DO NOT TORTURE SUSPECTS !!

 

[EVENKEEL]

I've often wondered why suspects of a crime are so eager to confess and do a crime reenactment of crime. 

[ramrod711]

2 hours ago, webfact said:

“damaged the image of the Royal Thai Police”

My image of the Thai Police is perfectly preserved. Anyone remember the guy that allegedly hung himself with his socks in a cell?

[Karma80]

TIT. Anyone who comes here expecting less than a systemic and cultural norm of day to day corruption will have a hard time. It's not a case of if you will come across it in your daily life in Thailand, but when. 

[RJRS1301]

2 hours ago, webfact said:

The only way this incident can cause more damage to an image that has been blighted with corruption for decades is to lay down the principle that killing people in custody is a “no-no”.

 

A no-no?

It is a criminal offence to torture, kill, extort . There is legislation outlawing such acts for civilians, and one would expect Police know something about the law.

It is not a "no no" is is ILLEGAL, even developmentally challenged people generally understand that.

This shines yet another light in a disgustingly dark place.

I am disgusted that so many supposedly law abiding people accept the "culture as tea money" with a shrug of the shoulders, thereby feeding this disgusting beast and keeping it alive.

 

 

[jacko45k]

30 minutes ago, EVENKEEL said:

I've often wondered why suspects of a crime are so eager to confess and do a crime reenactment of crime. 

They confess under duress of course, and will get a lower sentence, halved I believe. 

[Benmart]

Whoever fights monsters should see to it that in the process he does not become a monster. And if you gaze long enough into an abyss, the abyss will gaze back into you.

Friedrich Nietzsche

[hotchilli]

3 hours ago, webfact said:

National Police chief Pol Gen Suwat Jangyodsuk’s statement that the killing of 24-year-old Chiraphong Thanapat while being interrogated by no less than six officers under the direct command of Pol Col Thitisan Utthanaphon, chief of Nakhon Sawan Police Station at the time, had “damaged the image of the Royal Thai Police” needs to be taken not with a pinch of salt, but a whole dose of them. The only way this incident can cause more damage to an image that has been blighted with corruption for decades is to lay down the principle that killing people in custody is a “no-no

The image the RTP think they have and the one that the public know are about as far apart as the wealth gap.

[ikke1959]

20 minutes ago, RJRS1301 said:

A no-no?

It is a criminal offence to torture, kill, extort . There is legislation outlawing such acts for civilians, and one would expect Police know something about the law.

It is not a "no no" is is ILLEGAL, even developmentally challenged people generally understand that.

This shines yet another light in a disgustingly dark place.

I am disgusted that so many supposedly law abiding people accept the "culture as tea money" with a shrug of the shoulders, thereby feeding this disgusting beast and keeping it alive.

 

 

Illegal?? everything the RTP is doing is not illegal.. Look at the chemicals sprayed at the protesters.., torture of people to make confessions or get information is normal... filling their pockets with corruption is normal.. Even they need money to investigate a accident or burglary.. If you don't pay they don't do anything... But illegal??? no no no

[SCOTT FITZGERSLD]

33 minutes ago, Karma80 said:

TIT. Anyone who comes here expecting less than a systemic and cultural norm of day to day corruption will have a hard time. It's not a case of if you will come across it in your daily life in Thailand, but when. 

well corruption is one thing, and torturing people to death - on a regular basis by ferrari and lamburgini cops - is a whole different thing.

[mikebell]

How do they qualify for Royal in their title?  Surely they demean the monarch's image every time they put their uniform on?

[Rampant Rabbit]

1 hour ago, SCOTT FITZGERSLD said:

What is it?

you  pay 1000 baht a month and  if you get any problems they will sort  it  out.

[Rampant Rabbit]

1 hour ago, ramrod711 said:

My image of the Thai Police is perfectly preserved. Anyone remember the guy that allegedly hung himself with his socks in a cell?

Just after he'd  stabbed himself  in the back  multiple  times etc etc.

[Bundooman]

1 hour ago, SCOTT FITZGERSLD said:

What is it?

Just keep your eyes peeled for the two BIBs. on a motorbike who seem to stop in the most unusual places, collect something from a box/container, whatever and then ride on to the next one. I see them regularly. No police work appears necessary and any misdemeanors by the passing public is totally ignored. That is not their job.

Protect and serve their own interests, is.

[Henryford]

2 hours ago, Rampant Rabbit said:

Why  not start with the "protection money" they ask for every  month from all  local  businesses  ie the RED BOX  scheme  foreigners  know  about, its  all  illegal all in cash and never  declared.

A big difference between slipping them a few baht and a cop torturing and murdering a suspect and stealing hundreds of millions of baht.

[pchappo]

grace and favour behaviour is in the Thai DNA.. it is the way of life to help simplyfy things ... why do you think there is a headsman of each village - its all about greasing the wheels of the people above in the hope that when you need something in the future you have already paid.

[SCOTT FITZGERSLD]

25 minutes ago, Rampant Rabbit said:

you  pay 1000 baht a month and  if you get any problems they will sort  it  out.

pay to police 1000 baht a month as forward payment for problem solving?

[SCOTT FITZGERSLD]

i am surprised to discover that  thai system allows ,legally, law enforcers to keep 25% of ill gotten assets they manage to confiscate.  seems like that is the root of the problem.

it is like legalising corruption and encouraging police brutality.

30% of the proceeds are allocated to people who provide clues to the authorities while 25% goes to arresting officers, including police and customs agents.

very very dangerous country.

i am not a criminal but feel more and more uncomfortable in this country.

more dangerous and curropt than africa and south america .

Edited August 30, 2021 by SCOTT FITZGERSLD

[SCOTT FITZGERSLD]

19 minutes ago, Bundooman said:

Just keep your eyes peeled for the two BIBs. on a motorbike who seem to stop in the most unusual places, collect something from a box/container, whatever and then ride on to the next one. I see them regularly. No police work appears necessary and any misdemeanors by the passing public is totally ignored. That is not their job.

Protect and serve their own interests, is.

so you reccon that in those red boxes there are 1000 baht waiting for them?

i acctually did see it once. the box / container are for forms they have to fill.

[RJRS1301]

40 minutes ago, mikebell said:

How do they qualify for Royal in their title?  Surely they demean the monarch's image every time they put their uniform on?

You think so?
 

[bendejo]

It's not just LOS, it's all the countries in this part of the world.

A guy in Malaysia was killed inside the gov't building where he was testifying.  Threw him out the bathroom window while court in recess.

(this was app. 10 years ago, don't recall the lad's name)

 

 

[RJRS1301]

32 minutes ago, Henryford said:

A big difference between slipping them a few baht and a cop torturing and murdering a suspect and stealing hundreds of millions of baht.

No not really. Corruption is corruption. Feed the beast and it continues to thrive and grow.

There are no degrees of corruption, just the gigantic scale of it sometimes is exposed to light, but unlike vampires, does not die in the light However unlike vampires this corruption is not a myth

Edited August 30, 2021 by RJRS1301

[wensiensheng]

1 hour ago, Karma80 said:

TIT. Anyone who comes here expecting less than a systemic and cultural norm of day to day corruption will have a hard time. It's not a case of if you will come across it in your daily life in Thailand, but when. 

Don’t you mean, how often?

[ozzydon]

with alot of the bars closed no protection money and not many tourists to fleece how are they going to live

[grandpa]

5 hours ago, webfact said:

National Police chief Pol Gen Suwat Jangyodsuk’s statement that the killing of 24-year-old Chiraphong Thanapat while being interrogated by no less than six officers under the direct command of Pol Col Thitisan Utthanaphon, chief of Nakhon Sawan Police Station at the time, had “damaged the image of the Royal Thai Police”

There speaks a man with 104m baht in assets!  I leave you to draw your own conclusions as to where it all came from!

[Karma80]

1 hour ago, SCOTT FITZGERSLD said:

well corruption is one thing, and torturing people to death - on a regular basis by ferrari and lamburgini cops - is a whole different thing.

The only difference here is they were filmed doing it and it went public. This isn't anything new. "Disappearing" is something that happens more than anyone would like to think about, but a common term. Thailand is not a safe country, never was, and always joins the bottom of the pile for international safety rankings. There is a reason for that.

[bobandyson]

2 hours ago, ramrod711 said:

Anyone remember the guy that allegedly hung himself with his socks in a cell?

My memory would have been better had there been working CCTVs on that particular day of the event. The footage would have re-inforced my memory retention abilities.