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Have you changed your mind on the COVID Vaccines?

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Nobody had had any prior experience treating this Covid and subsequent variants. it is very different.

so one person alone says use “bleach” , with no other support, and the world should accept that ?

er, no. 99.9999 to infinity of other scientists agreed vax was the answer, cant all be “money”,their reputations are at stake if wrong and the bleach thing right……AZ done as non-profit btw…..

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9 hours ago, teatree said:

What about smokers, the obese, those with lifestyle induced diabetes etc..? 

That is a false analogy.

Those 3 are intractable public health problems that have multiple causes and to the extent that they are manageable, take time to correct.  ( Anti-smoking programs have taken decades to show progress for instance.)

 

If you have a solution to these problems other than to blame those that have them; keep your phone handy, the Nobel prize committee is trying to reach you.

 

The difference with the non-vaccinated that they can become vaccinated with one or two trips to the clinic.

Betamax video cassettes “worked” but the customers wanted VHS. Same with the Bleach thing.

You mentioned Tesla. Teslas gear was streets ahead of thevwinning Edison & Westinghouse stuff but business & politics & emotion again won out over best pure science……one (emotional) reason most people including me would never take the bleach is that its original purpose was quite different, same with Ivermectin…..customers want customized solutions, especially when death is involved…….

21 minutes ago, WhiteBuffaloATM said:

classic Straw Man deflection…..raise a different subject thought easier to defend or attack ……couldnt care less what a specialized disease scientist says about disbelieving evolution; its not his area and is an established scientific FACT. just like I wouldnt ask a mechanic about insurance…….logical people can still say stupid & crazy things………broken clock right twice a day….. blind squirrel finding acorn, etc…

SO forget the Messenger, look ONLY at the Message and ask for Scientific Proof…….

You don't think that reflects on his judgement? Anyway, I noticed that you disregarded his claim of a 100% cure rate. Doesnt' that arouse any skepticism in you? This based on a study of 40 people. Where some inconvenient patients were eliminated before the study was concluded.

42 minutes ago, WhiteBuffaloATM said:

has any real scientist actually “claimed” that, and if so what is the scientific study proof ?

what about that nutty professor lockdown ( ferguson) fear merchant , forecasting half million uk covid deaths ? out by a factor of five wasnt he ? epidemiologist but hopeless with stats & disease modelling…….. used wrong model in fact ……and is that claimant anti- vax ? no, thought not….back in the anti- vax loon box……

It's rather odd that you would be criticizing that "nutty professor" He predicted that if nothing was done, there would be 500,000 deaths in the uk.. To date there have been almost 133,000 deaths. Do you think just possibly, just maybe if vaccines hadn't come along and social distancing hadn't been practiced, the total would have been a lot higher?

“40 people”…. seriously…and “impartial” study by him I suppose….. has the USA FDA or EU MA certified these results ? no,thought not….. this narcissistic rebel has been so massively discredited by numerous expert sources that he clearly has no reputation left…..except as a crank…..hence his justified sacking I suppose……perhaps he could link up,with Graham Hancock and David Icke in his obvious new expertise of pseudo- science……appears to pay well too……

2 hours ago, BusyB said:

Smokers may be anti-social, but they don't infect me. In fact none of those are infectious.

Get vaccinated and you’ll be fine. 

so fearful ferguson unaware of the AZ vax possibility then….and his modelling was shown to be wrong…….

without vax lets say deaths might have doubled, if so he would still have massive exaggerated the death toll by 250k …..we will never know because of the ” death with covid” rubbish stats. instead of true “ death by covid” figures ( too difficult ?).

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Have you changed your mind on the COVID Vaccines?

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5 hours ago, rattlesnake said:

we can't rely on Google results

Yes, exactly, we must also go to youtube.

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I've had vaccines before, no problem, and I'll take the covid vaxx

when the long term effects are known. So far there have been,

according to Vaers and Yellow Card reports, quite a few side effects

and deaths. This is not a conspiracy theory but from government data.

 

3 hours ago, talahtnut said:

I've had vaccines before, no problem, and I'll take the covid vaxx

when the long term effects are known. So far there have been,

according to Vaers and Yellow Card reports, quite a few side effects

and deaths. This is not a conspiracy theory but from government data.

 

No, according to the VAERS and Yellow Card reports, there haven't been quite a few side effects and deaths. Both these data bases are about adverse events not adverse reactions or side effects. They contain raw data from patients, caregivers and doctors. Any adverse health event that arises after vaccination can be reported to these databases. That in now way implies causality.

 Anyway, can you put into numbers what "quite a few" means in regards to side effects and deaths. And how does that number compare to those who have suffered serious symptoms or died from Covid?

As far as is known, there has been no such thing as long term affects. The odds that there will be are vanishingly small. How does that compare to the known odds of getting seriously ill or dying from a covid infection?

5 hours ago, cdemundo said:

That is a false analogy.

Those 3 are intractable public health problems that have multiple causes and to the extent that they are manageable, take time to correct.  ( Anti-smoking programs have taken decades to show progress for instance.)

 

If you have a solution to these problems other than to blame those that have them; keep your phone handy, the Nobel prize committee is trying to reach you.

 

The difference with the non-vaccinated that they can become vaccinated with one or two trips to the clinic.

Ahhh changing the goalposts when your hypocrisy gets exposed.  Predictable.

 

Smokers/the obese have known the risks of their life choices for years yet carried on regardless.  I don't think they should be denied treatment, but if you are going to be an authoritarian at least have the decency to be somewhat consistent,

8 hours ago, BusyB said:

Smokers may be anti-social, but they don't infect me. In fact none of those are infectious.

The point is they are taking up medical attention that could otherwise be directed to others who have not put themselves at risk.

The reply I made was too someone who said the unvaccinated should be put at the back of the queue for treatment.

1 hour ago, teatree said:

Ahhh changing the goalposts when your hypocrisy gets exposed.  Predictable.

 

Smokers/the obese have known the risks of their life choices for years yet carried on regardless.  I don't think they should be denied treatment, but if you are going to be an authoritarian at least have the decency to be somewhat consistent,

changing goal posts?  don't know what you are talking about.

 I said nothing about denying medical treatment to anybody.

Maybe your whole problem is reading comprehension.

 

I simply pointed out that your comparison doesn't hold water.

As I predicted you immediately blamed the people who had the conditions you specified.

They (the people, the problems) have nothing to do with people who don't get vaccinated.

And you agreed that the problems persisted over time, as I said not simple problems, not easily solved problems.

 

Leaving aside the question of whether a person should get vaccinated or not:

A person can get vaccinated in one or two visits to a clinic, very different from the problems you describe.

Your comparison is an example of a  "false analogy" in elementary logic.

 

Im not sure this have been posted here or in another thread, but gives a dr´s view on some of the medicines discussed here 

 

 

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13 hours ago, rattlesnake said:

It's borderline in the sense that it pushes the limits of what we know and accept. Do I believe and accept everything she says without question? Hell no. Do I think she is crazy and should not be heard? Hell no. Again, in context (i.e. not in a 2-minute excerpt), she (and the others I have mentioned, it's not just Tenpenny and I appreciate this is a lot to take in) brings to light very disturbing facts emerging about the content of some vaccines, Spanish researchers found graphene dioxyde in some Pfizer vials (and yes if you type this on ole' Google you will probably find articles saying this is insanity) and Japan has just suspended 1.6 Moderna doses which they tested and which contain "unknown metal nanoparticles". We don't know much yet about it, but it should be enough to slow things down instead of accelerating them.

Why? Why should we slow down the global Covid vaccination process just because some doses have been contaminated? If anything it only goes to show that current quality assurance processes are working.

And no, Tenpenny's "theories" aren't borderline "in the sense that it pushes the limits of what we know and accept." It's borderline because it's crazy talk.

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12 hours ago, rattlesnake said:

his

Here is another of the physicians I mentioned, Christiane Northrup, you can't call her incompetent by looking at her CV. She has written several best-selling books and appeared on Oprah, won awards etc.

 

https://www.drnorthrup.com/about/

 

From the moment she started questioning the Covid narrative and vaccination (same as Tenpenny, by actually looking at some of the stuff that's in there and what it does to the body), she was immediately dropped, blacklisted, slandered, pressured. Something fishy going on there.

I can't be arsed to discuss any more of these nutters. One google search of here revealed more than enough. She's an anti-vaxxer in a world where vaccines have saved countless of millions from death and serious decease.

Enough, trolls be gone!

Why change mind ?

This vaxx is proving daily that people still get contaminated and that people will be injected twice a year for no benefit !

I let them enjoy the fun !

 

 

53 minutes ago, toston said:

Why change mind ?

This vaxx is proving daily that people still get contaminated and that people will be injected twice a year for no benefit !

I let them enjoy the fun !

 

 

I could point out the undisputed and verifiable FACT that vaccines are very effective in preventing serious illness and death resulting from Covid but something tells me you're not much of a facts guy, are you....:coffee1:

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1 hour ago, toston said:

Why change mind ?

This vaxx is proving daily that people still get contaminated and that people will be injected twice a year for no benefit !

I let them enjoy the fun !

 

 

Somebody else certain of the future.

 

Stay lucky.

 

1 hour ago, toston said:

Why change mind ?

This vaxx is proving daily that people still get contaminated and that people will be injected twice a year for no benefit !

I let them enjoy the fun !

 

If you are using words like ‘contaminated’... then your lack of understanding is understandable.

 

 

 

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2 hours ago, Phoenix Rising said:

I can't be arsed to discuss any more of these nutters. One google search of here revealed more than enough. She's an anti-vaxxer in a world where vaccines have saved countless of millions from death and serious decease.

Enough, trolls be gone!

 

It's exhausting...  

 

A famous Mark Twain quote springs to mind....  

 

 

Hopefully, those ’sitting on the fence’ will see the true value of the vaccines vs the infinitesimal risk and thus make the decision to vaccinate, contribute towards society and the improved potential for less transmission amongst a vaccinated community. 

 

 

7 hours ago, teatree said:

Ahhh changing the goalposts when your hypocrisy gets exposed.  Predictable.

 

Smokers/the obese have known the risks of their life choices for years yet carried on regardless.  I don't think they should be denied treatment, but if you are going to be an authoritarian at least have the decency to be somewhat consistent,

Oh dear. 'Hypocrisy, authoritarian, inconsistent'. You could have made your 'points' without using insults but maybe that's beyond you, I don't know.

The point is that our systems are geared up to deal with that stuff. They are not geared up to deal with mass epidemics of vax refuseniks. And a lot of those lifestyle losers are going without urgent treatment as well. My sympathies for them are also rather limited. But not being perfect, I don't crow about it or insult them.

The latest German figures when broken down show vaccinees have an infection rate of about 20ish per 100k - refuseniks nearly 300.

 

4 hours ago, Phoenix Rising said:

Why? Why should we slow down the global Covid vaccination process just because some doses have been contaminated? If anything it only goes to show that current quality assurance processes are working.

And no, Tenpenny's "theories" aren't borderline "in the sense that it pushes the limits of what we know and accept." It's borderline because it's crazy talk.

You don't know anything about Tenpenny's research and findings, as all you did was watch a 2-minute video taken out of context. Preposterous.

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4 hours ago, Phoenix Rising said:

I can't be arsed to discuss any more of these nutters. One google search of here revealed more than enough. She's an anti-vaxxer in a world where vaccines have saved countless of millions from death and serious decease.

Enough, trolls be gone!

Well that's the problem isn't it, "can't be arsed", "one Google search", the plague of today's time summarized in six words.

 

I strongly refute the accusation of being a troll, my opinions are indeed controversial given the political context, but labelling them crazy just because they don't fit with your world view is beyond ridiculous.

 

I have had my share of debates, some more heated than others, but rarely have I seen such closed-mindedness and hostility than on this platform.

 

I will leave you with your certainties, and I am not coming back here anytime soon. And before you say "good riddance", let me assure you the feeling is mutual.

1 hour ago, rattlesnake said:

You don't know anything about Tenpenny's research and findings, as all you did was watch a 2-minute video taken out of context. Preposterous.

Out of context?? What context could possibly excuse this halfwit's peddling of loony conspiracy theories. Was she sleep deprived, was she on drugs?

13 hours ago, talahtnut said:

I've had vaccines before, no problem, and I'll take the covid vaxx

when the long term effects are known. So far there have been,

according to Vaers and Yellow Card reports, quite a few side effects

and deaths. This is not a conspiracy theory but from government data.

 

mRNA vaccines have been around for decades. The others are using traditional methods. All vaccines have side effects. Sadly, this time, the jabs are a necessity.

 

Millions of these jabs have been administered. The results are fantastic.

On 9/2/2021 at 10:00 PM, cdemundo said:

Is this true?

Where did you learn this?

Do you have a link or reference?

As of today the equation has changed, its now Covid 2 : Pfizer 1

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/sep/04/new-zealand-records-first-covid-related-death-for-200-days

 

Here is a link for the previous post: https://www.reuters.com/world/asia-pacific/new-zealand-reports-death-woman-after-pfizer-covid-vaccine-2021-08-30/

3 hours ago, toston said:

Why change mind ?

This vaxx is proving daily that people still get contaminated and that people will be injected twice a year for no benefit !

I let them enjoy the fun !

 

 

You really don't understand what's going on. Stunning. Yet again, shows why we're still in this mess.

 

Like the flu, we'll be getting boosters yearly for this virus for a very long time. Catch up! Please.

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