Prepare for a spike, public health expert says, but don’t panic

[khunPer]

It's not the number of positive Covid-cases that you should be concerned about - they depend of number of tests, and can include numerous asymptomatic cases - it's the number of serious conditions, people that really get sick, that matters.

 

Luckily, so far anything point to that vaccinated people don't reach a serious condition, even those with (only) two jabs Sinovac, or one jab AZ.

 

A recent outbreak on Samui from a cluster in the nightlife - the so-called "Black Club cluster" - with a relative high number of positive test, showed no serious conditions among vaccinated people...

 

[brucegoniners]

Don't panic, but be smart. Which this government isn't being by opening prematurely. It's the USA playbook over and over again. Maybe they should hire Trump as a consultant on what not to do, lol

[garygooner]

4 hours ago, Kirb46Lam said:

My wife trims my hair. ????

At first we used a normal electric human hair trimmer but it hurt sometimes. 

Probably made in China 

We switched to an electric pet hair trimmer and it is way better than the human hair trimmer. 

We have pets

It does a much better job too????

 

Who wants to look like a poodle?? 

[kingoak]

 

[ukrules]

5 hours ago, scubascuba3 said:

A spike is predictable, hopefully they've decided not to panic and maintain opening up

The government are not the ones who will panic, this was a choice, the inevitable 'huge' spike is the route they've chosen to go down.

 

It's essentially managed herd immunity partially through vaccination and through infection for the rest.

 

They know it's coming - it's part of the plan.

[vandeventer]

5 hours ago, Kirb46Lam said:

My wife trims my hair. ????

At first we used a normal electric human hair trimmer but it hurt sometimes. 

Probably made in China 

We switched to an electric pet hair trimmer and it is way better than the human hair trimmer. 

We have pets

It does a much better job too????

 

I won't let my GF go any where near a electric trimmer. I got her a hair cutting scissor set. And after I couldn't take any more of her hair cuts I rang my barber and he agreed to cut it , closed shop or not. Thank God for barbers.

[ukrules]

5 hours ago, Antonymous said:

in a year we will have better ones that prevent most symptoms completely

Yes, sounds promising - maybe I'll get one of those when they're available easily and locally.

[metisdead]

A post with a link to trolling content has been removed as well as a post using trolling images. 

[jcmj]

All of my Thai friends and relatives in their 20’s to 50’s are begging for the vaccine and just can’t get it. So how to you expect them to follow the rules if you don’t give them the tools. Money is tight. I understand why they are now getting more upset that the foreigners there are getting it before them And yes, if this happened in your country you’d be bitching to if the Mexican neighbors next door got it and you didn’t. 

[Guderian]

6 hours ago, webfact said:

Thailand should expect to see a spike in Covid-19 cases as the country eases lockdown measures on Wednesday, a public health expert told Thai Enquirer. The important thing is that the public must “not panic,” the expert added.

This is an unholy mix of ignorance and callousness. Around 90% of adults in England and Wales were fully vaccinated when all the restrictions were finally dropped a few weeks ago. Cases have spiked there, but deaths are far less than before the vacination programme, and often largely among the unvaccinated. At least in Britain people were given a choice about having the vaccines before restrictions were lifted, here in Thailand it's all down to the luck of the draw, and with only 10% of the population fully vaccinated it's obvious that deaths are going to spike along with new infection numbers. The Thai government is going to be guilty of genocide against its own people if it allows the virus to run free in a largely unprotected population.

[michael888]

Big mistake opening things up this soon.  Welcome to the 4th wave.

[248900_1469958220]

1 hour ago, kingoak said:

 

Ok, so why waste vaccines on people that have already had, and recovered from Covid 19? Why not prioritize the vaccines for poor countries, with poor healthcare systems.....and a LOT of vulnerable people? Why is Brad, the 25 year old personal trainer that had, and recovered from a mild dose of this disease rushing out to get vaccinated??? Can someone answer please. My brain hurts from all the hysteria. 

[scubascuba3]

1 hour ago, ukrules said:

The government are not the ones who will panic, this was a choice, the inevitable 'huge' spike is the route they've chosen to go down.

 

It's essentially managed herd immunity partially through vaccination and through infection for the rest.

 

They know it's coming - it's part of the plan.

Hopefully, but you could argue similar for previous lockdowns, when restrictions were relaxed more people mixed and so more covid. Let's hope they don't blink this time if daily cases gets very high. I kinda expect them to manage this by limiting testing

[Tonypandy]

7 hours ago, marin said:

Seems to me we are going to be saying, "here we go again". Finally numbers trending downward in a real way, and we open up malls and restaurants to the unvaccinated.  10% of the populace has had 2 injections. Everybody is bored and restless but now is certainly not the time to open up like this. But I do need a haircut.

So do you expect restuarants etc to reopen just for 10% of those vaccinated? Do you think you are special because you are vaccinated? Vaxed can still catch and spread the virus like those who chose not to be vaxed or have been unable to get it yet. 

[MrJ2U]

7 hours ago, tonray said:

Vaccinated people

Thats a problem in Thailand. 

[david555]

13 minutes ago, scubascuba3 said:

Hopefully, but you could argue similar for previous lockdowns, when restrictions were relaxed more people mixed and so more covid. Let's hope they don't blink this time if daily cases gets very high. I kinda expect them to manage this by limiting testing

I kinda expect them to manage this by limiting testing

 

 

You call that "managing "....?

 

I call that "cheating..."

[edwinchester]

5 hours ago, The Cipher said:

I don't think that this message is necessarily intended to hide anything. He probably meant it exactly like it sounded like.

 

It's really logical to expect that a loosening of restrictions will lead to an uptick in cases. The expert in the article is just making the valid point that there's no need to overreact if case counts are higher post-reopening than they are now. Some people might find it a little scary at first, but ultimately, this is for the best.

How many extra deaths and those suffering from long covid is acceptable?

[edwinchester]

1 hour ago, jcmj said:

All of my Thai friends and relatives in their 20’s to 50’s are begging for the vaccine and just can’t get it. So how to you expect them to follow the rules if you don’t give them the tools. Money is tight. I understand why they are now getting more upset that the foreigners there are getting it before them And yes, if this happened in your country you’d be bitching to if the Mexican neighbors next door got it and you didn’t. 

I wouldn't as it's for the common good that as many as possible are vaccinated as soon as possible. In the UK anyone can show up and request a jab. My Thai wife had to make a trip back to the UK a couple of months ago and was given the Pfizer shot no questions asked.

[Nanaplaza666]

6 hours ago, cyril sneer said:

why is there a desperate need to open restaurants over other things?

 

these places will spread it more than bars

 

larger groups, sharing of food plates, eating and talking with mouth open etc.

 

they should be opened for takeaways, nothing wrong with eating the same food just at home

Restaurants will spread it more then bars ?? Because in bars people are talking with there mouths closed right and everybody will have their own new glass that will be thrown away after being used . And if you think that delivered food tastes the same as freshly served on a plate at the restaurant then i geuss you have never eaten in a restaurant . 

[Petey11]

7 hours ago, tonray said:

Time for us to learn to deal with it as a risk. Vaccinated people significantly less risk than those who choose not to be. Life goes on

Correct but when people are able to get vaccinated if they want. In the UK everyone who wants to get vaccinated has had the opportunity to do so, not the same case in Thailand I believe.

[kiwikeith]

7 hours ago, tonray said:

Time for us to learn to deal with it as a risk. Vaccinated people significantly less risk than those who choose not to be. Life goes on

Today a fully Pfizer vaccinated prison worker infected the prison he works at in South Auckland, source RNZ today news.

[cjinchiangrai]

This is insane. Keep the restrictions for another month or two to get the vaccinations up. There are way too many people unvaccinated. It is going to explode.

[Petey11]

5 hours ago, teatree said:

 

In 1976 the swine flu vaccine was halted after people developed disease and some died....were the researchers involved anti-vaxxers?

 

Polio was epidemic for decades before a vaccine was created.  Attempts to find a vaccine started a couple of decades before Salk finally developed his vaccine, which he began testing in 1952, and wasn't rolled out until 1955.  

 

Compare this to covid.  The vaccine was rolled out less than a year after covid was first identified, something which usually takes 5-10 years for adequate testing.

 

 

You also have to look at the funding and resources put into developing a covid vaccine. Has any other disease had such large sums of money ploughed into to developing a vaccine in such a short time and had as many multiple countries and agencies working on it at the same time. Look at the genome testing going on too, over 50% of the world's carried out in the UK. I'm sure polio never had the concentrated amount of effort and funds applied to it. Most vaccine development is slow due to getting the funding for the research which can take months to get.

Edited September 1, 2021 by Petey11

[cjinchiangrai]

18 minutes ago, Petey11 said:

You also have to look at the funding and resources put into developing a covid vaccine. Has any other disease had such large sums of money ploughed into to developing a vaccine in such a short time and had as many multiple countries and agencies working on it at the same time. Look at the genome testing going on too, over 50% of the world's carried out in the UK. I'm sure polio never had the concentrated amount of effort and funds applied to it.

The available tech is way better too. Salk would have killed for a DNA sequencer.

Edited September 1, 2021 by cjinchiangrai

[Keesters]

5 hours ago, jacko45k said:

So people in bars do not do this eh.... you do talk such rot.

We should all learn to sign.

[Stubby]

Everyone is going to get COVID19 now.

That's according to the latest scientific update. Herd immunity is impossible (globally), and new, more infectious variants are almost guaranteed. 
 

So, there's no need for more lockdowns if we're going to get coronavirus banged up indoors—or not. One could also argue that there's no longer any need for testing if infections are inevitable. Therefore, the only way forward is to protect oneself to minimize the severity of the illness. That means to get vaccinated—if you can—stay as healthy as possible, and make sure your vitamin D, C, Magnesium, and Zinc levels are up to speed.
 

Where's God when you need her?
 

Stubby

[paulikens]

7 hours ago, tonray said:

It indeed will be your choice.  But to participate in society so as not to be a risk to public health and safety you will be isolating yourself from the rest of us.  Your choice 

@tonray  well thats not a choice then is it. thats what you call blackmail.   

[paulikens]

best tell the government that then not the public,cuz at the end of the day they're the ones who decide.   lets hope they dont have a knee jerk reaction like usual 

[RubbaJohnny]

7 hours ago, cyril sneer said:

talking with mouth

Bar stewards , those who are not ventriloquists must join a Trappissed Monastery

[tonray]

36 minutes ago, paulikens said:

@tonray  well thats not a choice then is it. thats what you call blackmail.   

Vaccination programs globally have saved millions of lives over decades.  In just about every modern society,  vaccination agaInst common childhood diseases is a requirement for enrollment in school. What is the fascination with remaining unvaccinated and becoming a risk not only to yourself but to society as a whole?  Your choice.. Not blackmail at all but civil societies require we all must do some things (like pay taxes) for the common good.  

Edited September 1, 2021 by tonray