What vaccine?

[Badrabbit]

I'm booked to receive the Sinovac then AZ but I'm not keen on the mix, would it be better to wait for both AZ, Pfizer is now available but you need Medical Certificate and your Medical records, is it simple to get your records from a Private Hospital and would it be free!

[ezzra]

Stay away from any mix to start with and even worse any Chinese vax, the good vaxes are coming more readily available now so hold on for the good ones...

[KannikaP]

In my case I have been to four or five different private hospitals within the last 8 years. I would imagine that each one only has records pertaining to the particular reason/ailment I went to them for. 

I have also been to the local University Hospital in the last year, who knows what they have.........well only the stuff I have told them.

[Badrabbit]

1 minute ago, KannikaP said:

In my case I have been to four or five different private hospitals within the last 8 years. I would imagine that each one only has records pertaining to the particular reason/ailment I went to them for. 

I have also been to the local University Hospital in the last year, who knows what they have.........well only the stuff I have told them.

I've used 3 hospitals does that mean I have to get records from all 3?

[Chris.B]

Personally, I wouldn't have any vaccines from China.

 

[Chris.B]

1 minute ago, Badrabbit said:

I've used 3 hospitals does that mean I have to get records from all 3?

You don't need hospital records.

 

[Will B Good]

Each to his own I guess.

 

I wanted to get the process rolling as quickly as possible so went for Sinovac (no choice), but then was offered AZ which I went for.

 

Hopefully I have a degree of protection now and will look to back it up with Pfizer or metal free Moderna.

[Badrabbit]

2 minutes ago, Chris.B said:

You don't need hospital reco

 

Well according to the site over 60 you need certificate and records for Phizer.

[KannikaP]

3 minutes ago, Badrabbit said:

Well according to the site over 60 you need certificate and records for Phizer.

I think that is only if you have pre-existing conditions which then need to be proven.

If I were you, say nowt. Or say you have high BP diagnosed by your local doctor/clinic = no records.

[Andrew Dwyer]

6 minutes ago, Badrabbit said:

Well according to the site over 60 you need certificate and records for Phizer.

“ under “ 60 ??

Over 60’s don’t need medical certificates.

 

[Badrabbit]

1 minute ago, KannikaP said:

I think that is only if you have pre-existing conditions which then need to be proven.

If I were you, say nowt. Or say you have high BP diagnosed by your local doctor/clinic = no records.

⁸there is a list of conditions one of them being over 60, think I'll give it a miss and wait for AZ(both Jabs)

[KannikaP]

1 minute ago, Badrabbit said:

⁸there is a list of conditions one of them being over 60, think I'll give it a miss and wait for AZ(both Jabs)

Is 'being over 60' a pre-existing condition.   LOL  555

[Will B Good]

1 minute ago, KannikaP said:

Is 'being over 60' a pre-existing condition.   LOL  555

That has to be a post-existing condition surely?

[4MyEgo]

14 minutes ago, Badrabbit said:

Well according to the site over 60 you need certificate and records for Phizer.

I know a lot of farngs who received the Pfizer all over 60 including myself and would strongly suggest Pfizer over the other two you have mentioned.

 

If I were you I would check with your local Provincial Health Department as Udon Thani Provincial Health Department which is an hours drive from me, allowed registration on-site for farangs over 60, no pre-existing conditions required, albeit I have one, and then the shots were given at Raj University the following day.

[Badrabbit]

11 minutes ago, Will B Good said:

That has to be a post-existing condition surely?

According to Phuket win it is, impossible to lie about your age.

[Doctor Tom]

Best, not so good, worst, what does it matter in the great scheme of things?  So long as you avoid any of the Chinese produced <deleted>, (a lot of governments seem to have forgotten that it was those irresponsible morons who started this whole thing in the first place),  anything else is a hell of a lot better that nothing at all, or arguing the odds and waiting for your 'choice'. I very much doubt that there is anyone on this forum who has the knowledge or expertise to answer the OPs question with any level of authority. 

[Will B Good]

Just now, Badrabbit said:

According to Phuket in it is, impossible to lie about your age.

Yes. You will need your passport when you go.

[Will B Good]

1 minute ago, Doctor Tom said:

I very much doubt that there is anyone on this forum who has the knowledge or expertise to answer the OPs question with any level of authority. 

You could preface every thread with that statement 

[Henryford]

It was China that gave us the virus, i would not touch their "vaccine". You have waited 18 months, wait a few more for something that works.

[Badrabbit]

[Badrabbit]

Just now, Badrabbit said:

As you can clearly see they need certificate and records.

[Will B Good]

2 minutes ago, Henryford said:

It was China that gave us the virus, i would not touch their "vaccine". You have waited 18 months, wait a few more for something that works.

....he said from his hospital bed.

[Andrew Dwyer]

23 minutes ago, Badrabbit said:

As you can clearly see they need certificate and records.

Yes, that’s not the norm, neither is the “ original work permit “ that is requested.

 

I , as many also did, obtained 2 x Pfizer jabs from MedPark without work permits or medical certificates, ( med certs required if under 60 but work permits not required at all )

 

The hospital seems to be making its own rules.

[KannikaP]

1 hour ago, Badrabbit said:

Well according to the site over 60 you need certificate and records for Phizer.

Just got my appointment for Pfizer No 1 tomorrow. No records or paperwork, just passport. 

[koratkarlos]

If you need health records consider going to a local hospital or clinic to get a "health checkup."  It is a good thing to do anyway.  They check your blood, weight, BMI, chest x-ray, urine and probably an EKG all for around 2000 THB with a brief talk to a doctor.  Of course you can get more elaborate testing done also for more money.  You can go in the morning fasting with no food and be out by lunch.  Easy.

[EricTh]

1 hour ago, Badrabbit said:

⁸there is a list of conditions one of them being over 60, think I'll give it a miss and wait for AZ(both Jabs)

 

I saw someone at McCormick hospital getting two jabs of Sinovac, I was surprised and so I asked him how did he manage that, he said he exchanged with another guy who wanted two AZ through a verbal agreement.

 

So you can also ask for two AZ if you can find someone who wants two Sinovac doses in the long queue. Ignore some of the comments here who said 'nobody wants Sinovac'. 

 

 

[EricTh]

50 minutes ago, Victornoir said:

Like many here, you naively spread the geopolitical propaganda which consists in defending the products of your camp and devaluing others.

In reality all the vaccines validated by the WHO are more or less equal with differences which are more due to the protocol (arn, antiviral ...) than to the producing country.

 

https://www.thestar.com.my/aseanplus/aseanplus-news/2021/08/18/two-sinovac-doses-98-effective-against-death-severe-symptoms-thai-expert

 

“Comparing 598 samples of infected patients who have never been vaccinated, the Sinovac jabs have shown 98 per cent efficacy in keeping patients from developing severe symptoms and or death.”

This video below is more balanced and not biased.

 

Clinical trials held under different countries, different times, different conditions, different sample sizes aren't a fair comparison.

 

 

 

 

[3NUMBAS]

AZ is confirmed to be the best at keeping folks out of hospital

[IvorBiggun2]

Take whatever vaccine is available.

 

 

[EricTh]

22 minutes ago, Victornoir said:

"A recent analysis of 4 clinical trials in the United Kingdom, Brazil and South Africa confirms the efficacy of the AstraZeneca vaccine: 76% from the 22nd day after the 1st dose and more than 82% when the two doses are separated by 12 weeks (Source: Lancet Study. 2021 March 6-12; 397 (10277): 881–891). 

 

https://www.hospitalia.fr/Le-vrai-bilan-de-l-efficacite-du-vaccin-AstraZeneca-Et-les-dangers-du-principe-de-precaution_a2634.html  (sorry for language)

 

You see, this French study announces AZ 82% efficient against 67% for your example, 2 very different figures for 2 studies on the same subject. It is probable that with 10 studies we would have 10 equally different or even contradictory results.

In reality I think that we do not have a quarter of the information necessary for an objective judgment and that our only choice is to trust the specialists or to retreat into an isolated cave.

Soo,  I confirm that it is a little incongruous to announce an alleged total ineffectiveness of mixtures of vaccines in general and of Chinese products in particular.

 

That's why I said, if done in different countries, different conditions, different time, the percentage will change.

 

A clinical trials done in a sparsely populated country like Australia will have higher efficacy than done in a densely populated country like Indonesia or India because the chances of getting infected is higher in densely populated areas.