It's funny. Anti-covid vaxxers are alway accusing proponents of the vaccines of being afraid. Yet their fears of the possible consequences of being vaccinated are clearly ludicrous. If they really do think that the odds support their case, Given their reasonning,I expect they also believe lottery tickets are a good are a great investment.

 

"Federal and Kaiser Permanente researchers combing the health records of 6.2 million patients found no serious health effects that could be linked to the 2 mRNA COVID-19 vaccines.

The study published September 2 in JAMA reports the first comprehensive findings of the Vaccine Safety Datalink (VSD), which studies patient records for 12 million people in 5 Kaiser Permanente service regions along with HealthPartners in Minneapolis, the Marshfield Clinic in Wisconsin, and Denver Health. The work is supported by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC)."

https://scitechdaily.com/study-of-6-2-million-patients-reveals-no-serious-health-effects-linked-to-mrna-covid-19-vaccines/

"It's funny. Anti-covid vaxxers are alway accusing proponents of the vaccines of being afraid. Yet their fears of the possible consequences of being vaccinated are clearly ludicrous."

 

What is "funny" is the fact that those studies do not understand the principle of... long term.

 

The study reported findings from mid-December 2020 through June 26, 2021.

 

6 months. Great. We feel better.

????

 

They should call us back in 5 or 10 years, and then they will be able to affirm that "no serious health effects".

 

Until then, enjoy your "6 months" study...

 

 

There are real risks and its annoying when people make out it's so safe and belittle and ridicule people who have fears about being vaccinated.

 

I am sure it's better in the West where we have better quality brands of vaccine, but the Chinese vaccines here seem to be more risky to take.

 

And I am not anti vaccines either before anyone starts ranting about that issue. 

 

 

13 minutes ago, cclub75 said:

"It's funny. Anti-covid vaxxers are alway accusing proponents of the vaccines of being afraid. Yet their fears of the possible consequences of being vaccinated are clearly ludicrous."

 

What is "funny" is the fact that those studies do not understand the principle of... long term.

 

The study reported findings from mid-December 2020 through June 26, 2021.

 

6 months. Great. We feel better.

????

 

They should call us back in 5 or 10 years, and then they will be able to affirm that "no serious health effects".

 

Until then, enjoy your "6 months" study...

 

Becauses in the history of vaccines that's happened ever. And no one has come up with a plausible mechanism of how that might occur. Anyway, enjoy your lottery winnings.

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35 minutes ago, cclub75 said:

"It's funny. Anti-covid vaxxers are alway accusing proponents of the vaccines of being afraid. Yet their fears of the possible consequences of being vaccinated are clearly ludicrous."

 

What is "funny" is the fact that those studies do not understand the principle of... long term.

 

The study reported findings from mid-December 2020 through June 26, 2021.

 

6 months. Great. We feel better.

????

 

They should call us back in 5 or 10 years, and then they will be able to affirm that "no serious health effects".

 

Until then, enjoy your "6 months" study...

 

The vaccines have similar contents to past vaccines, vaccine side-effects have all appeared in the two months after receiving the vaccine.

Medicines with long term side effects have been those with daily (or multiple daily) doses continued for a period of weeks, months, years.

Vaccines are administered once, twice, possibly 3 times and their ingredients are degraded or out of the body in 24 to 48 hours.

Even out and out poisons do not demonstrate their harmful effects unless sufficient doses are ingested over sufficient time.

The fear of long-term side effects is unfounded.

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I'm still not comfortable with its safety.

--Anti-vaxxers/deniers probably.  Some of the same idiots who don't seem to have a problem taking horse dewormer.

2 minutes ago, shdmn said:

--Anti-vaxxers/deniers probably

Somewhere someone linked to an article in The Onion about someone who claimed he wasn't an anti-vaxxer but he just wanted to wait billions of years to make sure.

I think the big concern that people have is that it is somehow going to change our DNA.  It won't.  The mRNA that is altered to recognize the protein spike in our cells occurs outside the nucleus of the cell.  The vaccine does not enter the nucleus so it can't alter our DNA.  

mRNA technology has been around since the 1990's.   It has been used in other vaccines, although mostly for research purposes and not commercially used.   It has been used in flu, Zika, rabies, and cytomegalovirus.  

 

Since cells do die, the mRNA dies with them.   It's also worth noting that since there appears to be waning immunity over time, then the changes do not appear to be permanent.  

 

8 minutes ago, placeholder said:

Somewhere someone linked to an article in The Onion about someone who claimed he wasn't an anti-vaxxer but he just wanted to wait billions of years to make sure.

Right, it's always "I'm not an anti-vaxxer but....".

 

1 minute ago, Scott said:

I think the big concern that people have is that it is somehow going to change our DNA.  It won't.  The mRNA that is altered to recognize the protein spike in our cells occurs outside the nucleus of the cell.  The vaccine does not enter the nucleus so it can't alter our DNA.  

mRNA technology has been around since the 1990's.   It has been used in other vaccines, although mostly for research purposes and not commercially used.   It has been used in flu, Zika, rabies, and cytomegalovirus.  

 

Since cells do die, the mRNA dies with them.   It's also worth noting that since there appears to be waning immunity over time, then the changes do not appear to be permanent.  

 

Your main point "The vaccine does not enter the nucleus so it can't alter our DNA." is of course the most important.

But mRNA vaccines are even safer than you state.

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No mRNA is "altered to recognize the protein spike", synthesized mRNA (made using knowledge of the COVID genome) is introduced into the body to cause the body's cells to produce the spike protein. The body's immune system then recognizes the spike protein as foreign and produces antibodies to it. These antibodies will then recognize the spike protein on the virus if the virus is found in the body.

 

Also, "the changes do not appear to be permanent"; no changes have been made, no mRNA has been altered. Only some mRNA introduced to the body to cause spike proteins to be produced by the body's own cells. The mRNA degrades very rapidly, it is very fragile as evidenced by how carefully mRNA vaccines have to be temperature controlled to keep them intact.

 

The waning immunity happens long after the vaccine contents are no longer present in the body.  The vaccine is degraded and gone and the immunity to the virus is a result of the antibodies produced in response to the vaccine. It is the decline in the number of antibodies that results in waning immunity; by this time the vaccine itself is long gone.

 

 

4 hours ago, cclub75 said:

"It's funny. Anti-covid vaxxers are alway accusing proponents of the vaccines of being afraid. Yet their fears of the possible consequences of being vaccinated are clearly ludicrous."

 

What is "funny" is the fact that those studies do not understand the principle of... long term.

 

The study reported findings from mid-December 2020 through June 26, 2021.

 

6 months. Great. We feel better.

????

 

They should call us back in 5 or 10 years, and then they will be able to affirm that "no serious health effects".

 

Until then, enjoy your "6 months" study...

 

As said by a hard core anti vaxxer.

13 hours ago, cclub75 said:

"It's funny. Anti-covid vaxxers are alway accusing proponents of the vaccines of being afraid. Yet their fears of the possible consequences of being vaccinated are clearly ludicrous."

 

What is "funny" is the fact that those studies do not understand the principle of... long term.

 

The study reported findings from mid-December 2020 through June 26, 2021.

 

6 months. Great. We feel better.

????

 

They should call us back in 5 or 10 years, and then they will be able to affirm that "no serious health effects".

 

Until then, enjoy your "6 months" study...

 

Maybe I am interpreting this statement incorrectly-(The analyses compared specific health events among all COVID-19 mRNA-vaccinated people during the first 3 weeks after inoculation with health events among similar types of patients during the 3 to 6 weeks after mRNA vaccination. The total number of people evaluated was 6.2 million for the first dose of either mRNA vaccine and 5.7 million for the second dose.)

Can one infer the conclusion is based on only 3 to 6 weeks of monitoring vaccinated people for health issues during the first 6 months of a study scheduled to run for 2 years? The quote above is from the website in the posters message.

Also, this entry in the link noted as well: Federal and Kaiser Permanente researchers combing the health records of 6.2 million patients found no serious health effects that could be linked to the 2 mRNA COVID-19 vaccines"

Is this normal for someone to have access to so many health records in US, that I assumed to be private and confidential or are they available to the public, or anyone?

 

14 minutes ago, ebice said:

Maybe I am interpreting this statement incorrectly-(The analyses compared specific health events among all COVID-19 mRNA-vaccinated people during the first 3 weeks after inoculation with health events among similar types of patients during the 3 to 6 weeks after mRNA vaccination. The total number of people evaluated was 6.2 million for the first dose of either mRNA vaccine and 5.7 million for the second dose.)

Can one infer the conclusion is based on only 3 to 6 weeks of monitoring vaccinated people for health issues? The quote above is from the website in the posters message.

Also, this entry in the link noted as well: Federal and Kaiser Permanente researchers combing the health records of 6.2 million patients found no serious health effects that could be linked to the 2 mRNA COVID-19 vaccines"

Is this normal for someone to have access to so many health records in US, that I assumed to be private and confidential or are they available to the public, or anyone?

 

Kaiser is a huge healthcare provider, so could be all the patient counts came from them. Generally healthcare statistics are provided to governing bodies without patient-identifying information like name, medical record number, address, etc.