Thai Court rejects dual pricing case from expat in Hua Hin

[Mavideol]

12 minutes ago, doublezero said:

Good for the nation?????

 

In fact Dual Pricing generally is bad for the nation! It is bad for the reputation of the country, as it presents the Thais as greedy and completely insensible of the damage their attitude has on foreigners. It obviously also enhances the Thai xenophobia, as I experience occasionally even when talking to Thai "friends". Not only that several of them do not understand that the system is discriminating, they even are convinced that they are entitled to charge farangs extra. Probably the silliest, but for a Thai also "plausible" explanation I have heard is, that "we charge you because we can".

 

You are no Thai and you have enough money, therefore: SOM NAM NA !!!

unfortunately do you think Thailand government/judges give a rats ass to their reputation, the majority of tourists (at the least the ones I know) do know very well Thailand's greedy reputation, maybe they don't know the old saying "Don't cut off your nose to spite your face"

[jamiejoel]

On 9/29/2021 at 9:36 AM, MrJ said:

do you mean Paradee Resort? nice but a bit expensive....is there something nice for about 1.5 to 2k/night?

So if this is the case why don't other countries start dual pricing Thai citizens? It would be good to see how they enjoy living up to the standards they uphold. I think from now on I should charge Thai people more as its good for my country.. Hmm may not have a lot of work coming in soon.. 

[brianthainess]

Hospital saves face, whole nation don't give a fig. Him falang, have big money. As in 'government you "give" you money' No they don't ! i worked for 40yrs and payed my government 20% tax how much tax you pay? Quizzical looks all round.

[VocalNeal]

5 hours ago, webfact said:

"The bottom line is that foreigners must pay 96% additional for labour cost.

 

"Foreigners must also pay 25% additional (cost) for highly trained English speaking personnel".

I can see additional fees for:-

 

English TV stations

Foreign, non-Thai food

 

But not 96% for additional labour. What labour?

English? Most well trained doctors speak English.

[ROGER DUNN]

It’s Funny that in the UK you Don’t pay Anymore for Medical, And certainly don’t  pay Anymore for Translater. No Wonder the Tourists are Staying Away . Definitely Land of Scams !!

[david555]

4 minutes ago, 10baht said:

Apples and oranges, this is Thailand's problem, What they are saying is discrimination is ok if it is in Thailand's favor. Total BS, time to pack up the old kit bag.

Tirth quarter of 2022 as planned ... .......  but a bit more than a kitbag to load & carry & transfer  ...

[Mavideol]

????

2 minutes ago, david555 said:

Tirth quarter of 2022 as planned ... .......  but a bit more than a kitbag to load & carry & transfer  ...

if I may ask, where are you moving to ✌️????????

Edited September 30, 2021 by Mavideol

[connda]

5 hours ago, webfact said:

According to press reports the court said that it did not see the dual pricing as discriminatory suggesting the higher rates charged to foreigners who could pay more were good for the nation.

It's patently discriminatory but according to the court -  "Fleece the foreigners its good for the country."  TIT. 

Imagine the howls of "discrimination" should any Western country specifically target foreigners for the fleecing.  Imagine a Thai green card holder walking into the North Hollywood hospital and being handed an inflated bill because "your not an American." 
The screams would be heard in Bangkok. 

Here?  It's Ok with the court - fleece the foreigners. 

[Neeranam]

21 minutes ago, DUNROAMIN said:

As my old mate PFC. Gomer Pyle said many years ago, SURPRISE, SURPRISE, SURPRISE.

I don't believe anyone named their kid that. 

[pedro01]

16 minutes ago, digger70 said:

Thai Court rejects dual pricing case from expat in Hua Hin .

 

This now shows what this place is made of , Greedy Greasy Grubs.

lol

 

My son got stitches in his foot - at BNH Soi Convent it was 1,200 Baht to change the dressing. At the police hospital it was 80 Baht - I presume cheaper for Thais.

 

Not exactly money grabbing to be fair.

[SomchaiCNX]

2 hours ago, Hummin said:

There is unfair for those who pay tax to Thailand, and that is two groups, expats who retire and choose to pay tax (get less tax back home), and those who work and pay tax. Those who do not pay tax, what do you really complain about? 

Correct in some way but but not correct in another way. I pay taxes and some of the doctors added medicines to the social insurance bill that normally had to be paid by me. He said let the generals pay. On another occasion in Sukhothai a doctor treated a Farang for free in government hospital. I had to go for a CT scan in a famous CNX hospital that has many American graduates and by hearing my name the price almost doubled, my doctor cancelled on the spot. In the tourist business hotel prices for THai and Asians are usually higher than those for the European market as the last group spend more in the hotel while the Thai buy outside.  Our embassies can help by refusing visas to a certain group (from all the corrupt departments) of people, not much but it would help, increasing import duty on shrimp and poultry would be another step.

[Phredd]

"Law is Words". So if you are not fluent in Thai how could you ever expect a different outcome. ????

[outsider]

5 hours ago, richard_smith237 said:

The message is clear - the presence of foreigners in Thailand is tolerated rather than welcomed.

Sad, but very true.

[Mavideol]

5 hours ago, webfact said:

According to press reports the court said that it did not see the dual pricing as discriminatory

just wondering if these people (government/judges)  know that some of their citizens live and work in foreign countries or outside of Thailand, would it be ok if the countries whereby Thai citizens live and/or work would be treated the same discriminatory/racist way .....

[Neeranam]

6 minutes ago, connda said:

Imagine the howls of "discrimination" should any Western country specifically target foreigners for the fleecing.  Imagine a Thai green card holder walking into the North Hollywood hospital and being handed an inflated bill because "your not an American." 
The screams would be heard in Bangkok.

I don't hear Thais moaning about the dual standards when a Thai retires to the US compared to a US person retiring to Thailand. 

 

An american must pay 1900 baht a year and show they can spend 800,000 baht, whereas a Thai retiring to the US must invest 16,000,000 baht and be subject to total scrutiny. Yeah, let's have some reciprocation. 

[SomchaiCNX]

Does this guy has a Go Fund me account to help with his legal battle?

 

[edwardflory]

Hospital pricing:

 

I was taken to a govt hospital by a expat friend.  The procedure cost me 8000Bt even though I had that hospitals ID as my primary car. 

 

3 weeks later, I had the SAME procedure, SAME hospital, and itwas taken to the hospital ( in a ambulance ) by my Thai GF, cost was 2450Bt

 

Go figure

[Mavideol]

3 minutes ago, outsider said:

Sad, but very true.

and contradictory as well.... in one hand they are trying anything and everything to get tourists back but on the other hand they do make statements like the ones the judge did

[itsari]

1 hour ago, pedro01 said:

Even the Isle of Wight gives residents discounts on bus fares.

 

But you are arguing with people that take everything that happens here as a sign they are hated by Thai people, yet the only Thai people they appear to speak to are their Isaan girlfriend and the girl selling them booze in 7-11 or Big C if it's a 'big night out'.

 

It must be a bizarre life - living somewhere, isolating yourself from society and thinking they are out to get you. 

You appear to be a  condescending character from reading your posts Pedro.

[david555]

43 minutes ago, Mavideol said:

if I may ask, where are you moving to ✌️

going to the country where a left already my pension money stalling for almost .6 years ...after i decided to change the planning for buying a nice condo  and making a 6 months TH. and 6 month's home country  .....

and started only using the money for my staying expenses and  instead stopped all transfers to Thailand  ,

 

Yes i saw just in time  they broke "the holy oath of coup makers " ???? who  just did for 6 to 8 month's and then elections and back to  baracks ....to enjoy their new earned war toys  etc.

This ones are here for eternity .... (they think ????....)

 The common Thai's smile changed , happiness faded away for them ....

 

 Going home country Belgium ..., and of course i think some Caribbean's country's as holidaying destination so now and then .

 

Not blaming the Common Thais  ,  but it is up to them  this Thailand 

Edited September 30, 2021 by david555

[androokery]

4 hours ago, wadman said:

For goods and services that are subsidized by taxes (public funds), it's logical and reasonable that Thais should pay less.  Foreigners (unless they are paying tax) should pay a higher price.  I don't see a problem with that.

 

For goods and services that are NOT publicly subsidized it should be the same price. 

Everyone pays tax. What are you talking about? I guess you specifically mean income tax. Is that even something all Thais pay?

[My 2 baht]

Thailand only wants wealthy Chinese and Saudis who go to Bumrungrad or Bangkok Hospital. 

 

Considering how much money is brought into Thailand by middle class expats Thailand would be wise to let foreign residents join the government Healthcare system like they do in major expat destinations such as Costa Rica, Mexico and Portugal. Unfortunately that just isn't the Thai way. 

[jdlhalliday]

The Thai government supports dual pricing. All national parks operate dual pricing often 10x that of a Thai. So courts will obviosly support the government and approve dual pricing,  Thais attitude is ALL Farangs are rich so they will pay more. The fact that many Farangs are retirees and have limited funds does not even concern them. It is just a case of Give me money please  you have no choice so hard luck.  When ever I am faced with Dual pricing I just say pee-ba  and walk away.   

[david555]

4 minutes ago, Mavideol said:

and contradictory as well.... in one hand they are trying anything and everything to get tourists back but on the other hand they do make statements like the ones the judge did

That is why something is total out of normal behavior in this country , is like a dog chasing / biting his own tail ....

Paradise lost now already 5 years +

[Rampant Rabbit]

5 hours ago, ezzra said:

Anyone who have been in this country longer than one day know that foreigners are being discriminated when it comes to many things in Thailand's everyday life, when such ugly practice will stop no one knows but this is one of downfall of living in this country and as long as Thai people don't really care to correct it, it shall remain so, like the other day our condo organised a Covid ATK test to all the unit owners and tenants, Thai for free forthrightness pays 600 baht... 

lest we  forget I  just received two pfizer   covid  jabs inc free  labour from a  Thai  hospital, admittedly the vaccine had been donated by the US  (Thank a  Yank) but not everything is bad

[Neeranam]

7 minutes ago, edwardflory said:

Hospital pricing:

 

I was taken to a govt hospital by a expat friend.  The procedure cost me 8000Bt even though I had that hospitals ID as my primary car. 

 

3 weeks later, I had the SAME procedure, SAME hospital, and itwas taken to the hospital ( in a ambulance ) by my Thai GF, cost was 2450Bt

 

Go figure

yep, learning to speak Thai can not only save your life, but save your pocket book.

[david555]

Just now, Rampant Rabbit said:

lest we  forget I  just received two pfizer   covid  jabs inc free  labour from a  Thai  hospital, admittedly the vaccine had been donated by the US  (Thank a  Yank) but not everything is bad

We never knew if there was also some check  accompanied with  the vaccine for the BKK Hospital services ..... we could ask the French as they organized such a vacc. program whole by themselves , so they could enlighten us 

[Gandtee]

5 hours ago, itsari said:

The court action from the man from the Netherlands concerning price for foreigners has now set a precedent.

Meaning all is ok to charge more for foreigners because it is good for the country . 

Sad decision 

It was to be expected. Perhaps foreign countries should reciprocate.

[greenmonkey]

An absolute disgrace. So they are saying that over charging anyone who is not Thai is okay because it benefits Thailand... well if this is not outright state sponsored racism then I don't know what is! It's truly shameful.

[pedro01]

56 minutes ago, recom273 said:

I think this is a fair comment - However, in 15 years I have never met a proficient English speaker in a hospital, they are generally OK to a degree, but I find them to be lacking in important vocabulary and with poor listening skills. I have a specialist that asks me the questions in English and then asks my wife to translate the answer that I have just told him.

I am sure there are plenty of good doctors with good English skills out there, its just I have never come across one. Generally, nurses in my local hospital don't speak English and we usually speak in Thai.

 

Does this mean, if the doctor doesn't speak English well enough and prefers to use Thai, that means we will be exempt from price gouging, I mean the additional cost?

Bizarre - the doc that did my knee op graduated in Harvard and worked at a govt hospital and Bumrungrad. English was perfect. The anesthetist gave me options prior to the op that was like a Smorgasbord of opiates, gasses, injections for me to choose from - all in English and I even asked him if he wanted to come to a party at my house in a few weeks and could he bring his bag of drug - all in English, he got it, we had a laugh.

 

In fact, I cannot recall going to see a doctor in the past 15 years that didn't speak perfect English. 

 

In fact, a friend of mine is a software developer for Bumrungrad and she speaks perfect English too.

 

Where is it you live in Thailand? 1980?

 

Also - I don't take my wife into doctors appointments. That sounds weird to me - does she go in on the offchance you might use it as an opportunity to escape or something?