Thai Court rejects dual pricing case from expat in Hua Hin

[wadman]

2 minutes ago, sanchmo said:

Marry a Thai woman who you can trust and who is also a shrewd negotiator. I did and we've never had a problem.

She is more likely to shrewdly negotiate your savings into her account.

[sanchmo]

3 minutes ago, wadman said:

She is more likely to shrewdly negotiate your savings into her account.

Twelve years married...It's never happened.

[TechnikaIII]

This needs to be publicised internationally. Then every time a Thai national, especially a high roller, ambassador for example, books a table a restaurant, wherever, add on a surcharge because it's good for the host country.

Travel agents everywhere need to advise everyone considering Thailand for their vacation.

[JeffersLos]

1 hour ago, Nickelbeer said:

In Thailand, you will get exactly the amount of "justice" that you can BUY!!!!!

The justice system in Thailand is the best that money can buy.

[Card]

1 hour ago, 4MyEgo said:

I too as like you knew what the outcome was going to be.

 

To answer your question above, in my opinion it's all about ducking and weaving to obtain the benefits of living here, one way depending on one's age and financial situation is to be insured, problem solved, charge what you want.

 

I also understand not everyone can fit into the above, but in my case thus far, it eliminates one of the ugly sides of dual pricing.

Are you sure that insurance premiums are not dual price ced if bought in Thailand?

[JohnB1945]

This is a disgraceful decision and is clearly against the constitution. I hope it is well reported in all countries that potential tourists come from!

[Neeranam]

1 hour ago, bkk_bwana said:

Matters relating to the constitution cannot be decided by a provincial administrative court.  If he won, it would have been appealed. This case will follow due process and find it's way to the constitutional court. 

Foreigners have no rights under the Constitution.  

[SomchaiCNX]

No "human rights court" in Asia like in Europe. We all should thank our diplomats who just observe and get paid. If I do the same thing in my country I will be condemned by the court,

[Neeranam]

Interesting point. Special staff have to be hired for foreigners who can't speak Thai. Not sure I agree with it. 

 

Local discount happens everywhere, not just Thailand. 

3 years ago, I played golf with my brother in law, who is a member at Royal Melbourne golf club. I was charged 5,000 baht more than another guest from Sydney. 

I was also charged more than locals at Disneyworld. 

I was also charged more at a golf club in Scotland, despite being Scottish. They said I had to show I was a resident in the area. 

[vandeventer]

When is enough, enough? And it's not just Thailand, some countries are pricing them selves out wit multi-pricing. Maybe the UN should let these countries know that their people from these duel or multi-pricing countries will have the same thing done to them if they leave their own country.

 

https://www.yaudahbistro.com/blog-updates/society-and-our-times/dual-pricing-for-foreigners-another-travelers-ripoff/

[SuwadeeS]

It is so simple:

1. Avoid Dual pricing Hospital, Resorts, Shops and Locations.

2. Exposé all Bad experience in social Media.

3. As Tourist choose another Tourist Destination

[KhruGin]

1 hour ago, webfact said:

.... good for the nation.

Just looked in my Thai law dictionary and nope not in there ....good and valid, good consideration, good intention yep ..maybe the judge forgot his law book and made up a new term. 

1 hour ago, webfact said:

unconstitutional

Yep that's in the dictionary, maybe the judge hasn't learnt it/forgotten its meaning.

 

Fair play for this guy trying and nice to see the ugly truth eh and at least now we know its 'good for the nation' ...or in the bigger picture is it?. I understand when it comes to medical care complaining as its not something you can get around ..if yer sick you need it.

 

Other great examples I have come across (but then you can walk away and forgetaboutit) private visitor parks 100 baht for Thais 400 or more for farang (why lol even with a farang who pays taxes and has a WP), National parks same attitude, but the one that cracked me up the most was a temple in Chiang Mai ..Thai free farang 30 baht ...I asked why ..answer "You are not Buddhist" ....top answer eh and I guess the only Buddhists in the entire world are Thai ...thus personal result I dont use any national parks anymore and avoid temples which is a result! Oh and my personal favourite the Chiang Mai restaurant (yep CM again and I dont live there) 2 menus on the wall , one in Thai one in English same 20 odd dishes all marked up 20 baht in English ..so point to the Thai menu and order in Thai and bingo Thai price lol (yep no read Thai you pay the happy dual price).

 

Unconstitutional may be too stronger a word ...Unfair, Unjust, discriminatory would be where I'd put it.

[happyinthailand]

Seems a little bizarre for the judge to say it is not discrimination because it is good for Thailand. That in itself is discrimination.

However us farangs should not be too self righteous. The cost of a visa to get into UK for a Thai is enormous and the UK government could be assessed to have discriminated against the Thai by taking a substantial fee upfront even before arrival in our sunny uplands.

[jonclark]

9 minutes ago, Neeranam said:

Foreigners have no rights under the Constitution.  

Clearly you have not read it then. 

[Skeptic7]

Yeah no surprise here.

Typically Thailand.

Land of Scams.

Clip Joint from the top on down. ????

[Neeranam]

2 minutes ago, jonclark said:

Clearly you have not read it then. 

I taught Civics for 3 years at university, of course I've read it. 

[Guderian]

1 hour ago, webfact said:

According to press reports the court said that it did not see the dual pricing as discriminatory suggesting the higher rates charged to foreigners who could pay more were good for the nation.

After the ruling, the judge was driven to his large country home in his chauffered Mercedes-Benz E-350, while Mr. Buse returned to his condo in his 2010 model Honda Jazz. All is well in the state of Thailand.

[JMonroe]

It doesn't have to be the final decision. He can still appeal to the Supreme Administrative Court. I hope he does.

[Neeranam]

Just now, david555 said:

It looked like it , by the support of the verdict

Now you are just trolling/making things up. I did not support anything. 

[SymS]

1 hour ago, webfact said:

Foreigners must also pay 25% additional (cost) for highly trained English speaking personnel

Good to know. I can now ask for a discount if I only speak Thai at the hospital!

[jonclark]

3 minutes ago, Neeranam said:

I taught Civics for 3 years at university, of course I've read it. 

I pity your students then

[Neeranam]

2 minutes ago, jonclark said:

I pity your students then

why?

[jobsworth]

37 minutes ago, ukrules said:

I'm going to rename this to 'rule of dumb'.

 

Imagine sitting in your multi national companies HQ meticulously researching which country in South East Asia to locate your new 5000+ employee manufacturing facility - then you read something like this....

The Bata Shoe Company used to have a factory in Thailand employing 5000 Thais. No more since many years.

[JMonroe]

1 hour ago, bkk_bwana said:

Matters relating to the constitution cannot be decided by a provincial administrative court.  If he won, it would have been appealed. This case will follow due process and find it's way to the constitutional court. 

As it is already in a provincial administrative court, it can be appealed to the Supreme Administrative Court, which has a pretty good reputation. I am not sure in the Thai legal system how a case can move from administrative courts to the constitutional court, or if it is even possible. It's very confusing, especially to outsiders.

[jonclark]

3 minutes ago, Neeranam said:

why?

 

Section 27 of the Thai  Consitution ...i guess even a foreigner is a person? 

 

All persons are equal before the law, and shall have rights and liberties and be protected equally under the law. Men and women shall enjoy equal rights. Unjust discrimination against a person on the grounds of differences in origin, race, language, sex, age, disability, physical or health condition, personal status, economic and social standing, religious belief, education, or political view which is not contrary to the provisions of the Constitution or on any other grounds, shall not be permitted.

[d2b2]

Thai courts are disgraceful. The kingdom is failing it’s people by failing to implement judicial reform. Thailand will remain a 3rd world country until it reforms it’s judiciary, government and police, but that is just how those organizations want it to remain.

[bdenner]

1 hour ago, richard_smith237 said:

As if there was ever going to be any other outcome... Thailand putting both feet in its mouth and highlighting its disregard for foreigners at an official level. 

 

Thailand’s handling of issues pertaining to foreigns is repeatedly clumsy and offensive.... I won’t go as far to suggest xenophobia and racism, but I understand those who think so. 

 

The message is clear - the presence of foreigners in Thailand is tolerated rather than welcomed. 

 

This has now set a president for any business owner in Thailand - Dual Charging is government sanctioned. 

 

 

It is news such as this which gives me pause to think - Is Thailand the correct place to live?

 

 

 

 

Well at least we agree on something! ????

[MrMo]

One point that the Thai people in general fail to appreciate that in many cases it is not the foreigner who ends up paying.   Those of us who have a family here will, when we die, leave to that Thai family whatever is left in our estate.    They will end up the loosers.

I have recently needed a CT scan at a government hospital.   When booking the scan, we were told that it would cost Baht 17,000 but to bring a total of Baht 25,000 to cover total costs.   The bill charged turned out to be Baht 29,000 for the scan with the total coming over Baht 50,000.

[DrPhibes]

57 minutes ago, Denim said:

And 100% more is she is especially naughty.

...and your retired ;-}

 

[Neeranam]

8 minutes ago, jonclark said:

 

Section 27 of the Thai  Consitution ...i guess even a foreigner is a person? 

 

All persons are equal before the law, and shall have rights and liberties and be protected equally under the law. Men and women shall enjoy equal rights. Unjust discrimination against a person on the grounds of differences in origin, race, language, sex, age, disability, physical or health condition, personal status, economic and social standing, religious belief, education, or political view which is not contrary to the provisions of the Constitution or on any other grounds, shall not be permitted.

I guess you didn't read the rest of it!