nemo38 Posted October 3, 2021 Share Posted October 3, 2021 https://www.reuters.com/business/healthcare-pharmaceuticals/delta-increases-covid-19-risks-pregnant-women-pfizerbiontech-vaccine-antibodies-2021-10-01/ "Six months after receiving the second dose of the two-shot vaccine from Pfizer Inc (PFE.N) and BioNTech SE , many recipients no longer have vaccine-induced antibodies that can immediately neutralize worrisome variants of the coronavirus, a new study suggests." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zzaa09 Posted October 3, 2021 Share Posted October 3, 2021 Well.......so much for that promoted and lofty experiment. The science establishment might do themselves a favour and explore, study and research the ideals of therapeutics as applied to all things covid. 1 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post 248900_1469958220 Posted October 3, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted October 3, 2021 Get on the vaccine train everyone.....Next stop BOOSTERVILLE!! 2 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post 248900_1469958220 Posted October 3, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted October 3, 2021 Well, Israel is talking jab number 4.....that would be 4 in one year would it not? These vaccines are really working well. 1 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CharlieH Posted October 3, 2021 Share Posted October 3, 2021 Reported conspiracy post removed. Post with broken links removed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Gulfsailor Posted October 3, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted October 3, 2021 From over 100 years of research and experience it is known that in general the longest lasting vaccines are those which are made from a live attenuated virus and which include an adjuvant. The new MRNA types haven’t been used long enough, but early indications are not very favorable. Right now there are no live virus vaccines for Covid-19, although there are a few candidates in a trial. The problem is increased risk of side effects. the closest are the Sinovac and Sinopharm vaccines which use the real fill virus but is it fully deactivated plus an adjuvant is used. In contrast to lots of speculation and gripping headlines in western media the efficacy of these vaccines appear to hold up better over time than the viral vector or MRNA types. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post gargamon Posted October 3, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted October 3, 2021 (edited) On 10/3/2021 at 9:41 PM, nemo38 said: "Six months after receiving the second dose of the two-shot vaccine from Pfizer Inc (PFE.N) and BioNTech SE , many recipients no longer have vaccine-induced antibodies that can immediately neutralize worrisome variants of the coronavirus, a new study suggests." This is basic immunology. This is expected behaviour. Antibodies are present in your body when you are fighting a virus/bacteria, or have been vaccinated. Antibody counts naturally diminishes when the threat is no longer present. Your body, however, remembers (via T-cells and B-cells) how to fight the infection and will regenerate the antibodies if again infected with the offending virus/bacteria. Don't fall for all the anti-vax nonsense trying to use this as ammunition for their futile position. Edited October 8, 2021 by onthedarkside personal comment removed 10 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post bbko Posted October 3, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted October 3, 2021 Fact, Lives are being saved by the vaccine, if I need a booster later down the line, so be it. My unvaxed brother caught covid and he said it was the worst he's ever felt in his 61 y/o life. Too many people are getting caught up on the little things, what's that old saying, "can't see the forest for the trees"? 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrandPapillon Posted October 3, 2021 Share Posted October 3, 2021 2 hours ago, 248900_1469958220 said: Well, Israel is talking jab number 4.....that would be 4 in one year would it not? These vaccines are really working well. good point, but what's the alternative? another silly lockdown? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shdmn Posted October 3, 2021 Share Posted October 3, 2021 (edited) What the clickbait headline failed to mention, and predictably buried further down, was..... Quote Neutralizing antibodies are not the immune system's only defense against the virus. Specifically, which they again failed to mention because it won't get as many clicks, is that you still have t-cells and memory cells generated by the vaccine. This gives your immune system a memory of previous infection including what is simulated by a vaccine. This can be remembered for years. Edited October 3, 2021 by shdmn 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
placeholder Posted October 3, 2021 Share Posted October 3, 2021 What you don't seem to understand is that infection doesn't equate to illness. There are still powerful immune systems that remain to battle covid. Here's a report from Israel that might help you understand this better: "According to Health Ministry data, the ratio of unvaccinated people among the severely ill has continued to rise as more people are inoculated against the virus. As of September 13, out of the 664 severely ill patients, 437 were completely unvaccinated and 168 had received two doses. Only 59 had received the booster shot. The ratios are similar when analyzing new infections." https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/israel-unvaccinated-booster-65-serious-covid-19-cases-death-delta-1.10208784 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sirineou Posted October 3, 2021 Share Posted October 3, 2021 Both my wife and me were vaccinated last April with the Pfizer vaccine before we left the US. Just in time to get here for the fun. Grrrrrrrrr. If the Op is correct. our vaccine is nearing the end of it's affectedness. How does one get a buster shot in Thailand? or do we need to leave the country? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rimmer Posted October 4, 2021 Share Posted October 4, 2021 A misinformation post has been removed, also replies Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chomper Higgot Posted October 4, 2021 Share Posted October 4, 2021 10 hours ago, zzaa09 said: Well.......so much for that promoted and lofty experiment. The science establishment might do themselves a favour and explore, study and research the ideals of therapeutics as applied to all things covid. You did read the article? “The following is a summary of some recent studies on COVID-19. They include research that warrants further study to corroborate the findings and that have yet to be certified by peer review.” Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Denim Posted October 4, 2021 Share Posted October 4, 2021 10 hours ago, Gulfsailor said: From over 100 years of research and experience it is known that in general the longest lasting vaccines are those which are made from a live attenuated virus and which include an adjuvant. AZ is out performing Pfitzer in the long term. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ozimoron Posted October 4, 2021 Share Posted October 4, 2021 11 hours ago, zzaa09 said: Well.......so much for that promoted and lofty experiment. The science establishment might do themselves a favour and explore, study and research the ideals of therapeutics as applied to all things covid. You forgot to read or quote this excerpt from the article. "These findings suggest that administering a booster dose at around 6 to 7 months following the initial immunization will likely enhance protection against SARS-CoV-2 and its variants." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nojohndoe Posted October 4, 2021 Share Posted October 4, 2021 30 minutes ago, Denim said: AZ is out performing Pfitzer in the long term. I find it interesting that in most of the debate about "the vaccines" it is mRNA vaccines or Pfizer that somehow has become a fixation. Indeed AZ seems to have escaped the initial inflated controversies and has continued to provide well accepted results. That is other than the somewhat ridiculous bickering over locations of production of a standardized product. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gk10012001 Posted October 4, 2021 Share Posted October 4, 2021 Despite all the initial claims, and trial studies, the bottom line is there is still a lot of long term research and studies and statistics over time that needs to be done. These RNA things really do just trick the body and work much differently than most previous vaccines. Yes they seem to have some plausible benefits. But they are radically different than previous vaccines that used weakened, or dead viral particles. The RNA vaccines are much cheaper and quicker to make versus things such as Flu vaccines which require more advance planning, growth and culture facilities, etc. And even some of those vaccines are not very effective because the flu vaccine makers have to guess in advance what strains to try and fight, and while those are being manufactured and distributed, of course the viruses often mutate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gk10012001 Posted October 4, 2021 Share Posted October 4, 2021 42 minutes ago, ozimoron said: You forgot to read or quote this excerpt from the article. "These findings suggest that administering a booster dose at around 6 to 7 months following the initial immunization will likely enhance protection against SARS-CoV-2 and its variants." Yes, and then what? 7 months later antibodies may again be gone? 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gk10012001 Posted October 4, 2021 Share Posted October 4, 2021 10 hours ago, Gulfsailor said: From over 100 years of research and experience it is known that in general the longest lasting vaccines are those which are made from a live attenuated virus and which include an adjuvant. The new MRNA types haven’t been used long enough, but early indications are not very favorable. Right now there are no live virus vaccines for Covid-19, although there are a few candidates in a trial. The problem is increased risk of side effects. the closest are the Sinovac and Sinopharm vaccines which use the real fill virus but is it fully deactivated plus an adjuvant is used. In contrast to lots of speculation and gripping headlines in western media the efficacy of these vaccines appear to hold up better over time than the viral vector or MRNA types. There are some attenuated/inactive virus vaccines being worked on. The list is hard to find but they are out there. Novavax uses a protein similar to the COVID protein. That is similar to the older approaches. From what I read, and I didn't realize this, the Sinopharm, Sinovac vaccines uses the old tried and true approach. I read of some others but can't put my finger on them at the moment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ozimoron Posted October 4, 2021 Share Posted October 4, 2021 13 minutes ago, gk10012001 said: Yes, and then what? 7 months later antibodies may again be gone? pure speculation not supported by any data. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThaSalaPaul Posted October 4, 2021 Share Posted October 4, 2021 14 hours ago, placeholder said: As of September 13, out of the 664 severely ill patients, 437 were completely unvaccinated and 168 had received two doses. Only 59 had received the booster shot. The ratios are similar when analyzing new infections." Well that's more than a little worrying. 59 people still became seriously ill even after a booster shot Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ozimoron Posted October 4, 2021 Share Posted October 4, 2021 1 minute ago, ThaSalaPaul said: Well that's more than a little worrying. 59 people still became seriously ill even after a booster shot More worrying would be the 7 times that number who were unvaccinated. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThaSalaPaul Posted October 4, 2021 Share Posted October 4, 2021 6 hours ago, gk10012001 said: Yes, and then what? 7 months later antibodies may again be gone? As others have said, lack of antibodies doesn't automatically imply that the effect of the vaccine has "run out" and is no longer helpful. The T-cells are still there having learned and remembered how to fight infection 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post ThaSalaPaul Posted October 4, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted October 4, 2021 3 minutes ago, ozimoron said: More worrying would be the 7 times that number who were unvaccinated. Whilst I don't lack sympathy for anyone falling victim, I worry less about that as I am fully vaccinated. Of course the more of us vaccinated the more quickly the better. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gk10012001 Posted October 4, 2021 Share Posted October 4, 2021 10 hours ago, ozimoron said: pure speculation not supported by any data. I never asserted anything. I asked the question. Nobody knows what will happen after the booster shot. Boosters have not been given much yet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ozimoron Posted October 4, 2021 Share Posted October 4, 2021 1 minute ago, gk10012001 said: Nobody knows what will happen after the booster shot. Really? Do you think nobody has any idea? As I said, pure speculation on your part. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post DavisH Posted October 4, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted October 4, 2021 22 hours ago, bbko said: Fact, Lives are being saved by the vaccine, if I need a booster later down the line, so be it. My unvaxed brother caught covid and he said it was the worst he's ever felt in his 61 y/o life. Too many people are getting caught up on the little things, what's that old saying, "can't see the forest for the trees"? I'd heard that from others too - it's the sickest they have ever felt. And your bother's illness would not be considered serious by doctors. Serious cases usualyl end up in hospital. I still don't see the big deal about getting a jab that could possibly keep one out of hospital or worse. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ozimoron Posted October 4, 2021 Share Posted October 4, 2021 When asked to justify their hit and run tactics they just run... 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
codemonkey Posted October 5, 2021 Share Posted October 5, 2021 (edited) Seems to be an ever changing landscape since there is so much to learn about the safety and performance of the mRNA vaccines. Too much misinformation, changing daily. NOBODY knows unless you "know". Pfizer seems to be under performing, dwindling to 6 month protection now. But no worries, new vaccines could be on the horizon according to pfizer. Could become like 90 day reporting soon, get your jab every 90 days. Ted Nugent nails it in his recent interview, complete with the sheep impersonation. https://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/575279-study-shows-pfizer-covid-19-vaccine-effectiveness-declines-after-six-months https://news.yahoo.com/biontechs-ceo-says-world-might-113847622.html Edited October 5, 2021 by codemonkey 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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