SURVEY: Will opening up result in more Covid cases?

[Tarteso]

OP make a good question, there are two options, but the answer is a double-edges sword. Living in a village close to turístics zones, I can see how, again, are rising Virus cases. With unvaccinated population, closed businesses they are living practically in poverty… Don’t know really what to answer. ????

[bluemoon58]

Without a shadow of a doubt. Just look at the mega rise in cases in Prachuap Khiri Khan since it was dropped from a dark red zone to a red zone. And this is without foreign tourists coming in!

[Caldera]

The additional spread imported by fully vaccinated and tested tourists is negligible, as the Phuket sandbox has shown. So it's time to open up.

[XJPSX]

21 hours ago, Farangus said:

There will be, but 95% not because of foreigners who are vaccinated and tested before the flight and after arrival, but because of Thai citizens. Although it must be admitted that foreigners will also be the reason that large groups of people will gather and someone will be the source of infection in any case.
But I think the harm for the economy and for many families is more from the fact that the country is closed. than from Covid.

Everyone coming will be tested so I don’t see that as a cause for an increase.
i think border areas ( Mayanmar etc) that drop their guard will be the biggest problem. 

Close contact socialising will see an increase in cases. Thais cohabitate closely as a way of life so it will always be a problem.

Drunken foreigners at bars will fall into the same category.

Who cares anyway…open up and get on with life as we can’t keep living like this.

Edited October 25, 2021 by XJPSX

[cyril sneer]

It’ll be the opening of schools that spreads it, not the tourists

 

Though the tourists will get blamed 

[Scott]

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[Bluespunk]

2 hours ago, XJPSX said:

Drunken foreigners at bars

Chance of that happening would be a fine thing…

[kingstonkid]

There will be more cases no matter what you do.,  Opening the country will bring with it variants of covid.  

All you have to do is follow the number of people that have been vaccinated and still got the virus.  Last time I checked and have not heard any different the MRNA are not to prevent you getting the virus but to lessen it's affect on you.

 

Opening the borders right away is a wrong move.  IMHO

 

What they need to do is open the country to the domestic market. i.e bars and spas.

 

Let's see the affect that that move has on the local populist and then move towards opening the country.

 

Let's face it you are not gong to get the tourists that spend money unless you open bars and pubs.  

 

How many people are going to come here for NYE if they can not have a few drinks of bubbly?

 

 

 

 

[patman30]

the global population has INCREASED by 70 million so far this year (very very normal)
we need to open everything back up and get back to living
mankind is not at risk

[DefaultName]

Yes, more people will get Covid.  But how many is the poverty caused by the closure causing?  We foreigners will be ready for "normal" on day one after opening, but how long will it take the affected Thais to recover the lives they had before all this?  IMO, some never will, the rest of their lives will be lived at a lower standard because of this.

[vandeventer]

On 10/24/2021 at 12:03 PM, Thailand said:

Of course there will be more cases but the economy could click in to a slow revival mode.

It's a good thing to open up but just not now. Too many Thai people have not been vaccinated and the ones that have been vaccinated been vaccinated with Chinese vaccines. Are we all Ginny pigs and your testing which vaccines work and which don't?

[micmichd]

27 minutes ago, vandeventer said:

It's a good thing to open up but just not now. Too many Thai people have not been vaccinated and the ones that have been vaccinated been vaccinated with Chinese vaccines. Are we all Ginny pigs and your testing which vaccines work and which don't?

Yet the casualties (newly confirmed deaths by CoviD-19) per capita are lower in Thailand than in the UK and the rest of the Global North. And that's what counts. 

If you're afraid to become a guinea pig in Thailand then I advice to take a look at Northern countries, especially at the country with the world famous German Angst. And then you decide where you would rather be in the upcoming winter. 

[newnative]

     Well, in the other headline article, airlines have returned 80% of their landing slots.  Since international travelers are only allowed to arrive by air, that means few will be coming in the next few months.   Not that many would have been coming anyway with the hoops still too numerous and too high.  On the plus side, it gives Thailand plenty of time to do more vaccinations and tweak the travel requirements.  And, by tweak I mean eliminate everything except vaccination.  

[NoshowJones]

On 10/24/2021 at 12:32 PM, Percy P said:

Not if people follow the rules

What rules? Common sense is enough for most people. But Thais?? Not so much.

[NoshowJones]

On 10/24/2021 at 1:04 PM, jak2002003 said:

When do people ever follow the rules? 

 

 

 A lot of members of the "scared of your own shadow" brigade would dispute that. ????

[NoshowJones]

On 10/24/2021 at 1:38 PM, finnsk said:

More activity in the the thai society to serve the tourists, will give more infections.

 

The tourists is not the problem, the low wax rate in Thailand at around 38 % is the problem.

 

Its a high risk as a western tourist to come here, get covid here and get trapped in a overpriced, no service, quarantine hotel.

"The tourists is not the problem, the low wax rate in Thailand at around 38 % is the problem."

Yes! and we all know who is responsible for that. Don't we?

[sapson]

Tourists are not the problem with Covid they are fully vaccinated and tested.

 

Covid is rampant in Thailand who have only ever done the most miniscule of testing and are a year behind with the vaccine roll out which is totally flawed anyway with the extensive use of Sinovac to appease paymasters and line pockets which are the main priorities of the controlling few.

 

Focus within on the hapless people of Thailand for the Covid spread not a trickle of foreign visitors.

[NoshowJones]

10 hours ago, JCP108 said:

Agree.

I don't agree, the survey seems very straight forward to me. Three simple questions which are easy to answer.

[richard_smith237]

IMO the answer is both No and Yes.

 

While many detractors are tripping over themselves to call the Phuket Sandbox scheme a failure, it was not. 

When some of those in positions of power thought they could polish the idea of the experiment make the announcements that hoards of tourists would return they were wrong and also stupid. However, from the perspective of and ‘experiment’ the 'Phuket Sandbox experiment' was successful.

The 'Phuket Sandbox experiment' clearly highlighted that vaccinated international arrivals presented no risk (or extremely minimal risk) of ‘importing’ Covid-19. 

 

That said, the risk factors with opening up tourists areas is the additional risk of the domestic spread of Covid-19.

 

As Thailand opens up anyway, restaurants and bars will open, sports facilities etc... there is already the risk of domestic spread of Covid-19 which Thailand is already seeing, and would see more of if it tested properly instead of the minimal numbers per day. 

 

More tourists, domestic or international equals busier areas, which equals more risk of spread. 

 

Unfortunately, I don’t think Thailand will see a huge increase in tourist numbers any time soon such that there is any significant increase in risk to domestic spread of Covid-19 as result of increased population density in certain areas. 

 

To summarise.

- No additional risk of importing Covid-19.

- A potential increase in risk of domestic spread of Covid-19 IF there is a significant increase in population density in tourist areas. 

 

[RafPinto]

IMO, there will be more cases and they know already who they are going to blame: the foreigners.

[hioctane]

On 10/24/2021 at 1:38 PM, finnsk said:

More activity in the the thai society to serve the tourists, will give more infections.

 

The tourists is not the problem, the low wax rate in Thailand at around 38 % is the problem.

 

Its a high risk as a western tourist to come here, get covid here and get trapped in a overpriced, no service, quarantine hotel.

As a whole the vaccination rate is 38%, but in the reopening areas, the vaccination rate is 80%+. The problem areas with low vaccination rates are not where tourists will be going.

[hioctane]

On 10/25/2021 at 2:39 PM, richard_smith237 said:

IMO the answer is both No and Yes.

 

While many detractors are tripping over themselves to call the Phuket Sandbox scheme a failure, it was not. 

When some of those in positions of power thought they could polish the idea of the experiment make the announcements that hoards of tourists would return they were wrong and also stupid. However, from the perspective of and ‘experiment’ the 'Phuket Sandbox experiment' was successful.

The 'Phuket Sandbox experiment' clearly highlighted that vaccinated international arrivals presented no risk (or extremely minimal risk) of ‘importing’ Covid-19. 

 

That said, the risk factors with opening up tourists areas is the additional risk of the domestic spread of Covid-19.

 

As Thailand opens up anyway, restaurants and bars will open, sports facilities etc... there is already the risk of domestic spread of Covid-19 which Thailand is already seeing, and would see more of if it tested properly instead of the minimal numbers per day. 

 

More tourists, domestic or international equals busier areas, which equals more risk of spread. 

 

Unfortunately, I don’t think Thailand will see a huge increase in tourist numbers any time soon such that there is any significant increase in risk to domestic spread of Covid-19 as result of increased population density in certain areas. 

 

To summarise.

- No additional risk of importing Covid-19.

- A potential increase in risk of domestic spread of Covid-19 IF there is a significant increase in population density in tourist areas. 

 

Totally agree. The biggest risk I see is attracting unvaccinated people to come back looking for work.

[Scott]

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