Popular Post Eagle60 Posted October 24, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted October 24, 2021 (edited) I am writing this to hopefully help people avoid major issues and shocks, when thinking of building a house in Thailand. Having built a fair few now of all sizes and shapes I want to provide people with some sensible, clear headed information. There is far too many bar stool construction experts who throw ridiculous figures around and all it does is do people a disfavor and lead them into shocks later on, when true costs are estimated. Anyone who tells you that you can build a finished house for 15,000 baht per sqm in 2021, is not a builder and has no experience or knowledge of construction. Those days are long gone a long time ago. Maybe a low quality garage or simple concrete box, but not a home of any quality or finished to any standard that is acceptable to most people. Many years ago yes, but not now. The only true way to know an accurate estimate of cost for a house build is to have completed *professional architectural drawings*. Clearly listing all specification and materials. Without this, it is guessing and no professional builder would provide one without them*. The location also has to be factored in and site conditions. Yes you can find small teams to build a low quality home in the countryside but not at that cost. A good quality house in Thailand can easily cost 25,000 to 30,000 Baht per sqm (starting for reasonable standard but certainly not luxurious) to over 40,000 + Baht per sqm for luxury. Plenty of luxury houses cost more. Check out Phuket or Koh Samui to see some amazing villas. But as mentioned this is an approximation as without finished architectural detailed construction drawings, no one can know an accurate cost. Professional construction personnel will only give a basic approximation as a square meter figure if asked; because from experience they know only too well, costs can not be calculated until all professional architectural drawings are completed. As I say this is to help anyone who is thinking of doing it. Best advice in my mind from experience, is to talk to a company who has been in business for years and knows the industry. It can take a lot of the problems away and provide you with sensible advice. It has helped me. Good luck ! Edited October 24, 2021 by Eagle60 5 4 1 3 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Airalee Posted October 24, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted October 24, 2021 I see very livable houses for sale all over Chiangmai, both new and second hand including townhouses and detached homes, that work out to ฿15,000 per square meter (or less) and that includes the land. On the flipside, new floors and a kitchen in my condo added more than ฿15,000 per square meter to the overall cost. On the high end, a luxury kitchen (Poliform/Poggenpohl) with a full set of Viking/Subzero/Wolf kitchen appliances will add more than ฿50,000 per square meter to the build cost. So…I’m not sure I understand what your point is. 3 3 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteBuffaloATM Posted October 24, 2021 Share Posted October 24, 2021 Finally, a quality post promoting essential use of experienced ARCHITECT for Residence Design. Unsure though why the post stops at Design & Cost ? Unless objective limited to getting a nice box set of Drawings & Quotes rather than a Finished House ? Surely Architect Use is Recommended for the Entire Process ? Architect Evaluation & Selection - Custom Design or Modified Standard Design - Drawings- Specs - BOM - Priced Builder Bids- Bid Conditioning- Final Builder Bids- Bid Evaluation -Client Approval - Builder Selection- Construction Management - Stage Payments-Stage & Final Inspections. Normally here, its various versions of the “Managed Builder” ( non- Architect / friend of Headman type) approach, promoted or bragged about, which all of us involved here, in even the smallest way, with thai builders, KNOW can only end in various kinds of multiple disasters, despite the incredible construction genius school of “ I have built ten houses here without Architect with no problems”.Meaningless Claims, without Area / Size / Type/ Cost detail. Usually, these “houses” turn out to be small functional concrete boxes near the rice fields at 200-300k baht from the most rudimenatary Land Office Std. (Rural Cowpen) Designs. Complete waste of money, hell to reside in and probably never lived in except by the truly desperate. You might get away with that “ normal” amateur approach IF you ARE actually a Const. Genius and happen to (luckily) select the “right Builder”, like an Experienced Developer does to cut costs having already worked with that Builder many times…typically even then leaving an extensive Defects List produced by the aggrieved cheated Buyer. the rest of us though might prefer a more professional structured sequence approach with Architect start & finish. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bkk6060 Posted October 24, 2021 Share Posted October 24, 2021 Countries that are in a better recovery position then Thailand are seeing shortages and major inflation on construction materials/costs. I bet Thailand will experience this at some point and building now could be much better then doing so in a year. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Darksidedude Posted October 25, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted October 25, 2021 i brought a house which was finished but needed a patio, guttering, gardening, concrete driveway and the like, lesson i learnt was never let them supply the materials they used was the most cheapest stuff going, the guttering lasted about a year before it all just corroded away i couldn't believe it that stuff should last for decades. Labour wise its very cheap however source your own materials then just get the labour in to build it and be there when they are building stuff, i would never consider getting a house built from the ground up unless you know of a expat builder that knows his way around things 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post BritManToo Posted October 25, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted October 25, 2021 (edited) 15 hours ago, Eagle60 said: Anyone who tells you that you can build a finished house for 15,000 baht per sqm in 2021, is not a builder and has no experience or knowledge of construction. My builder charged 1M2 (+land) for 150m2 (8k/m2), poured concrete and tiled 2 storey house in CM (2012). They are still building the same house for 2M (+land) ...... that works out under 14k/m2. (KKN, they build all over CM) I had a 16m2 extension added this year for 160k, that was 10k/m2. You're right, I don't know anything about construction, I just invite bids from builders for the job. Although I have learned 2 things about building .......... 1. Make sure they use a membrane on the roof or it'll surely leak. 2. Make sure they have enough floor tiles delivered with the same batch number or they won't match (and the tiler won't care). Edited October 25, 2021 by BritManToo 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post 4MyEgo Posted October 25, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted October 25, 2021 14 hours ago, Eagle60 said: Best advice in my mind from experience, is to talk to a company who has been in business for years and knows the industry. It can take a lot of the problems away and provide you with sensible advice. It has helped me. Good luck ! It comes down to personal choice. I agree that the area you build in will have a lot to do with pricing, and if you engage an architect and a building company your costs will go up, you get what you pay for. We built a house in Isaan 6 years ago at a cost of 6,000 baht a square meter, the house build was 256 square metres excluding the existing one bedroom bungalow which was 64 square metres, and we incorporated/added the bungalow into the main house, so the total area is now 320 square metres, i.e. 6 bedrooms, 3 bathrooms, lounge, kitchen/dining. The bungalow was built in 2009 for 7,800 baht a square metre back then, different exchange rate and materials costs were higher. We didn't use an architect, we saw a builder building other houses in the area over the years who was in high demand and I inspected each house at different stages, on completion, and a year or so after the owners moved in, asking if they had any problems with the dwellings or the builder through my wife as interpreter, and we got to see the finished product. We purchased all of the building materials on both the bungalow and the house and paid the builder a negotiated price paid in 5 stages for the house, the bungalow was built by a different builder at the time as the builder who built our house wasn't available for 12 months at that time, however as we had the bungalow built, we decided that we would book in the builder in advance when we were ready to build the house as we were not in a rush and had the bungalow to live in. We were present when he built the house, we know we got a good deal, but I have also heard of others on the forum getting similar deals, I also know of guys in areas a little further away from me who have used building companies and paid double of what we paid (12,000 baht) for half the size of the house we built, however there builds were current, i.e. 2021 and they had issues with the building company. If you have some building knowledge and know of a builder mate that you can check in with, you really don't need an architect or a building company, that said, buying the materials yourself saves you the company adding its load on the materials and dealing with different labourers on-site at different times, that is unless your lucky enough to get a reputable company that uses the same team, as I am sure plenty exist, but not from what I heard around our area. Architects also usually have a builder or two in mind and also get a cut from the action. It really comes down to personal choice, but as I said above, you have to do your own research on the builder, buy your own materials, have a little building knowledge and a builder mate you can check in with if required, all of this will save you a lot, however could also cause you a lot of grief if your knowledge is not up to scratch with building. 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brianthainess Posted October 25, 2021 Share Posted October 25, 2021 First i don't need 'luxury', I have an 110 sqm single story, 2,600b per sqm + materials paid for COD. My builder has plenty of experience and knowledge, I viewed 6 houses he had already built + a resorts 10 bungalows. 15 hours ago, Eagle60 said: Best advice in my mind from experience, is to talk to a company who has been in business for years and knows the industry Talking to a company proves naff all, go and LOOK at what they have built in the past, preferably the oldest ones. ???? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Farma Posted October 25, 2021 Share Posted October 25, 2021 This is a list in Thai from last year i was told builders use as a guide to costs. used_cost_thai_2020-1.pdf 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BTB1977 Posted October 25, 2021 Share Posted October 25, 2021 From bar stool construction experts to kitchen table construction expert. I don't see much difference. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FarangRimPing Posted October 25, 2021 Share Posted October 25, 2021 Another source, THE 2021 COSTS OF CONSTRUCTIONS FOR THE REPLACEMENT COST NEW, by Thai Appraisal and Estate Agents Foundation. http://www.thaiappraisal.org/english/the2001/default.php One file attached. Maybe similar data to the PDF in post above. used_cost_eng-1.pdf 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
konaboy Posted October 25, 2021 Share Posted October 25, 2021 my wife and I are building a large 1 story home in Buriram. Builder is a Thai general contractor friend. Paid him 1/3,1/3, 1/3 Will be finished in 3 months. I have built 3 homes and a small commercial project IN Hawaii. I would recommend him. Always hearing stories from farangs over the years about how long the construction time is for their home? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post XJPSX Posted October 25, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted October 25, 2021 12 hours ago, bkk6060 said: Countries that are in a better recovery position then Thailand are seeing shortages and major inflation on construction materials/costs. I bet Thailand will experience this at some point and building now could be much better then doing so in a year. I am building a 400sqm house now with a 15 x 10 m pool and fully landlacaped. My second house. All building materials have increased for what you are using unless already stocked locally. China prices have increased due to decreased output not to mention the weak THB. I am using quality appliances Smeg etc and granite bench tops and the house will be high quality. it will cost around 45k per sqm and the pool / landscaping (1.5 rai) all in including pump another 4 million. Have had 3 quotes. 2 from local farang builders and a good Thai builder but chose to use my previous builder. The variance between all quotes fluctuated by 2 million which was to be expected. i got full trade breakdowns and material costs based off architect drawings and then materials double checked by an estimater (experienced foreigner). If you want a nice quality place here similar to home it will cost you. Architect fees (from BKK) not included in above. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rampant Rabbit Posted October 25, 2021 Share Posted October 25, 2021 16 hours ago, Eagle60 said: Best advice in my mind from experience, is to talk to a company who has been in business for years oh really, I remember a very long thread about PD House on another forum and the "quality" of the work, Think it ended up abandoned. Wouldnt trust anyone to build a house here except myself and thats physically doing everything welding wiring block laying, door hanging, painting, roof. This is a cheap house but cheap doesnt mean krap if done properly, Thai block laying is laughable I do my own 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post UKJASE Posted October 25, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted October 25, 2021 we built ours in hua hin about 6 years ago at a cost of 12k / m2. nice finish too, with good euro kitchen and plenty marble counter tops etc. big euro PVC windows, boontavorn floor tiles, cpac concrete roof tiles, jotun paint, large bath tub etc etc plans drawn up by an architect from the orbitor was only 7,000 baht (we were quoted 150k from a farang architect!!) labour was 4,000 baht per m/2, paid in small installments - all the materials we resourced ourselves. a few headaches, but overall a very rewarding experience - plus the house still looks great 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rampant Rabbit Posted October 25, 2021 Share Posted October 25, 2021 One thing I never see specified is the use of waterproof concrete, and its so cheap to add it to foundation work/floors Cpac can add it in for a paltry sum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteBuffaloATM Posted October 25, 2021 Share Posted October 25, 2021 xjpsx: thats the way to do it ! 15 x 10 m pool is great but depending on function, I would suggest longer and narrower, 20 x 7.5 mtr , giving same size / cost as 15x 10. half shallow end 0.8 mtr , half deep end 1.5 mtr. Consider adding small square jetted Spa Pool at one end.My Salt Water Pool is 17 mtr with 2no. 2HP Hayward Pumps. Used for Daily HIIT Fin Swims & Family. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteBuffaloATM Posted October 25, 2021 Share Posted October 25, 2021 4MyEgo: Excellent Post. Different Experiences. Some Parallels. “It comes down to personal choice.” YES. From “End User Does ALL” ( Rampant Rabbit) to “ Architect Does ALL ( My Preferred) Note: my thai lady is Architect uni- educated with Practising Architect Friends). “Buy Your Own Materials” a common recommendation BUT Specifications Required First,a Primary Architect Function. “I agree that the area you build in will have a lot to do with pricing” Phuket Land , Material & Build Costs typically High….. “ if you engage an architect and a building company your costs will go up, you get what you pay for” YES but you offload Project Stress/Responsibility but Retaining Overall Design, Build & Cost Control. “We built a house in Isaan 6 years ago at a cost of 6,000 baht a square meter, the house build was 256 square metres excluding the existing one bedroom bungalow which was 64 square metres, and we incorporated/added the bungalow into the main house, so the total area is now 320 square metres, i.e. 6 bedrooms, 3 bathrooms, lounge, kitchen/dining.” VERY Similar Profile to My House. Same Function & m2. Four Level Seaview Pool Villa. Semi Detached. Nine Unit Complex. Separate Apartment ( Ground Floor). So Two Lounges & Kitchens. Common Pool / Gardens / Caretaker. “The bungalow was built in 2009 for 7,800 baht a square metre back then, different exchange rate and materials costs were higher.” I bought Off Plan 2006 with Trusted Small Developer. Developer Managed Builder. Standard Design. No Architect. Plan was SELL at 50% Profit upon 2008 Build Completion. Build / Land Real Cost & Land Office Assessed Value 13k / m2 . Resale Value 40k/ m2. Half of “Branded” Nearby Similar Buildings. “We didn't use an architect” Land Office Standard / Modified Design ? “we saw a builder building other houses in the area over the years who was in high demand and I inspected each house at different stages, on completion, and a year or so after the owners moved in, asking if they had any problems with the dwellings or the builder through my wife as interpreter, and we got to see the finished product.” No Such Experience. Out of Country. Other Buyers with Construction Knowledge conducted Continuous Inspection & Initiated Design - Build Defect Improvements at Developer Cost. “We purchased all of the building materials on both the bungalow and the house” Developer / Builder Scope (inc. Specifications) “and paid the builder a negotiated price paid in 5 stages for the house” YES, similar Stage Payments “the bungalow was built by a different builder at the time as the builder who built our house wasn't available for 12 months at that time, however as we had the bungalow built, we decided that we would book in the builder in advance when we were ready to build the house as we were not in a rush and had the bungalow to live in” YES. Perfect Set Up for You & Myself. Separate Apartment gave Rent House / Live Apt. Options or vice versa until SALE.Recovered Full Investment Costs Now after 13 years “stuck” with the place after 2008/9 Crash.By Renting or Living in the place Myself or later with Family.Grown to Really Love the Place. Common Fund Management worked out Great ( Lucky).Many Improvements Over the Years. Real Family Home. Very Profitable Vacation House Only Rental Pre- Covid. “We were present when he built the house” Used Proxy Buyer Inspectors “we know we got a good deal “ YES. All My Costs Recovered Also. Place Owes Me Nothing. Looking to Sell Now to Fund Our Dream Custom ( Architect) Build House. ”but I have also heard of others on the forum getting similar deals, I also know of guys in areas a little further away from me who have used building companies and paid double of what we paid (12,000 baht) “ Paid 40k / m2. Money all recovered. Sale Value unfortunately about same now as Original Buy Cost. But should have doubled under 2006 projections……. “for half the size of the house we built, however there builds were current, i.e. 2021” not applicable fortunately “and they had issues with the building company” YES but Fixed “If you have some building knowledge “ Little ”and know of a builder mate that you can check in with, you really don't need an architect or a building company, that said, buying the materials yourself saves you the company adding its load on the materials and dealing with different labourers on-site at different times, that is unless your lucky enough to get a reputable company that uses the same team, as I am sure plenty exist, but not from what I heard around our area. “ AGREE but Only Small Jobs. My Lady Managed All That & Specified / Bought Materials with Builder Present. New House would Always Use Architect for Best Functionality & Materials Specification & Bill of Material.Even to Review / Modify LO Std. Plan. Luckily have In House Architect ! “Architects also usually have a builder or two in mind and also get a cut from the action” YES. Watch Carefully for Builder Bid Manipulation. Verify Against Market / Budget m2 .Rates. “It really comes down to personal choice” YES. “ but as I said above, you have to do your own research on the builder” YES. Architect Builders Must Be Cusomer Evaluated & Approved , “buy your own materials “ Small Works Only, for me ,Architect/ Builder Contract Compliance Applies. “have a little building knowledge” YES, Would Develop That as Process Progressed ”and a builder mate you can check in with if required” YES, Informal Inspection Check, “all of this will save you a lot, however could also cause you a lot of grief if your knowledge is not up to scratch with building” YES, but Resolved by Architect under Fixed Price Full Scope Contract. A Pleasure, Good Sir ….. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spidermike007 Posted October 25, 2021 Share Posted October 25, 2021 Going to build used CEB (compressed earth bricks) a form of super adobe. We will build the bricks ourselves, using local labor. The equipment required is about 200,000 baht or so, and can be sold after the job is finished. The savings is well worth it. And the result is similar in appearance to these images here. Gorgeous appearance. Incredible thermal value. Alot less AC required, as long as the roof is insulated, and the overhang prevents direct sunlight, which we will need anyway for the terraces. Th first image is the larger 25cm. brick we will use. The other images are done with CEB made by a local guy. Smaller brick, and too much grout. I despise Thai brick. It is an utterly horrendous building material. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iknow Posted October 25, 2021 Share Posted October 25, 2021 Cheap no good, good no cheap ! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iknow Posted October 25, 2021 Share Posted October 25, 2021 “Quality is remembered long after price is forgotten” Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iknow Posted October 25, 2021 Share Posted October 25, 2021 Buy cheap, buy twice ! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dumbfounded Posted October 25, 2021 Share Posted October 25, 2021 We bought 1 rai of land on the Nan river and start building next month, a modest home about 200 sqm for 2.37 mill using a company with a good rep in this area 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post chilly07 Posted October 25, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted October 25, 2021 (edited) Spending 25000 psqm to build a house in Thailand means that the cost of build plus land is well above value which obviously cannot be the case. Using an architect and main contractor will produce a mark up of approx 20pc but even then cost exceeding value just doesn't compute. 45 yrs experience as an architect and developer in the UK hammers home the cost value equation which applies anywhere in the world. The build cost tables presented by other posters confirms this. Of course you can spend what you like when building your dream home but don't think banks will give you a mortgage on it or that you will recouperate on resale. Edited October 25, 2021 by chilly07 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post RafPinto Posted October 25, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted October 25, 2021 4 hours ago, XJPSX said: I am building a 400sqm house now with a 15 x 10 m pool and fully landlacaped. My second house. All building materials have increased for what you are using unless already stocked locally. China prices have increased due to decreased output not to mention the weak THB. I am using quality appliances Smeg etc and granite bench tops and the house will be high quality. it will cost around 45k per sqm and the pool / landscaping (1.5 rai) all in including pump another 4 million. Have had 3 quotes. 2 from local farang builders and a good Thai builder but chose to use my previous builder. The variance between all quotes fluctuated by 2 million which was to be expected. i got full trade breakdowns and material costs based off architect drawings and then materials double checked by an estimater (experienced foreigner). If you want a nice quality place here similar to home it will cost you. Architect fees (from BKK) not included in above. Wowww Who needs a 400m2 house? 400x45k=18million 4million for landscaping etc. 22million plus the land. Don't tell me, it is in a village. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RafPinto Posted October 25, 2021 Share Posted October 25, 2021 I can already see the smile on her face and on her brothers faces. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brick Top Posted October 25, 2021 Share Posted October 25, 2021 Absolutely correct information , materials and building costs have risen significantly over the past few years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Theory Posted October 25, 2021 Share Posted October 25, 2021 We are building a small house (50 sqm), 1 meter higher than ground. All the cost (material and labor, rental Makro) for piles (5 piles each spot, I15 at 6m), pile caps and footing (20x45 cm) and floor concrete Cost ฿2600 per sqm. The rest of the house will cost vary, depends on type of roof, tiles, bathroom and walls (we do double wall). 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orinoco Posted October 25, 2021 Share Posted October 25, 2021 (edited) We don't all want a Mac Mansion !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 11,500 Per square meter. isan. Least amount of money spent in Thailand on a house the better. my real money is in property in the uk. Horses for courses op. you started off insulting people ( bar stool construction experts ) Funny where did you find all the local builders at 6 o'clock in the uk !!!!!!!!!!!!, sitting next to me the ( panel beater ) , having a beer. !!!!! LOL Ps About 80% of house built to date. oh no if the wind comes will it blow down !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! NO Edited October 25, 2021 by Orinoco 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
itsari Posted October 25, 2021 Share Posted October 25, 2021 Any one telling you that they can build a house for 15000 baht a square meter should not be trusted is your statement . I do not agree at all with your statement if the 15000 per square meter is purely for construction . It can be a problem with this price if the foundations will require more work for putting it simply . Of course location can be a large factor as well What motive you have to post your views is somewhat hard to understand . 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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