The future is electric: your questions about EVs answered

[KhunLA]

12 minutes ago, Gold Star said:

 

This is an excellent must watch documentary that everyone should see:

 

Seriously, another multi millionaire socialist ... no thanks

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1 minute ago, KhunLA said:

Seriously, another multi millionaire socialist ... no thanks

Would you rather it come from some right wing extremist? Because that's where the overwhelming majority of denialists are coming from.

[KhunLA]

Just now, placeholder said:

Would you rather it come from some right wing extremist? Because that's where the overwhelming majority of denialists are coming from.

I don't need anyone to tell me their BS.  Prefer to think for myself.

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2 minutes ago, KhunLA said:

I don't need anyone to tell me their BS.  Prefer to think for myself.

So why mention Moore's political opinions at all? Clearly irrelevant here. In fact, misleading, since support on the left is very strong for renewables and EVs and Moore is clearly an exception.

[Gold Star]

17 minutes ago, placeholder said:

Michael Moore produced a film about climate change that’s a gift to Big Oil
Planet of the Humans deceives viewers about clean energy and climate activists.

https://www.vox.com/2020/4/28/21238597/michael-moore-planet-of-the-humans-climate-change

 

Michael Moore’s ‘Planet of the Humans’ documentary peddles dangerous climate denial
The YouTube film offers outdated and wildly misleading information on renewable energy, sacrificing progress in pursuit of unachievable perfection.

https://yaleclimateconnections.org/2020/05/michael-moores-planet-of-the-humans-documentary-peddles-dangerous-climate-denial/

 

Fact Check: Planet of the Humans Gets It Fundamentally Wrong on Renewable Energy

https://acore.org/fact-check-planet-of-the-humans-gets-it-fundamentally-wrong-on-renewable-energy/

I don't agree with ALL the information as it is presented, but it leads one to step back and ask the right questions when told just how 'green' things are in order to come to their own conclusions about it. As such, things are not as 'green' as they are made out to be.

[KhunLA]

10 minutes ago, placeholder said:

So why mention Moore's political opinions at all? Clearly irrelevant here. In fact, misleading, since support on the left is very strong for renewables and EVs and Moore is clearly an exception.

That's one opinion.  I just don't have much respect for millionaire socialist.  Loses credibility with me.

 

I'm not seeing that we "are on the brink of extinction", as he puts it.

Edited November 2, 2021 by KhunLA

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1 minute ago, Gold Star said:

I don't agree with ALL the information as it is presented, but it leads one to step back and ask the right questions when told just how 'green' things are in order to come to their own conclusions about it. As such, things are not as 'green' as they are made out to be.

So you want people to watch a highly defective documentary in order to arrive at that realization? What I don't understand is why people rely on films and video for information at all. Written words are obviously a far better source. They take up  less time and are  easier to fact check. I guess the dyslexic might have a good reason to use them for information, but as for the rest of us, at least those of us who are literate, not so much.

[CLW]

22 hours ago, sitta said:

Kia EV6, will it be on sale in Thailand?

Most likely not, and if, it will be super expensive due to import tax and other taxes.

Currently, except their van H-1 Hyundai is not selling sedans in Thailand what surprises me....

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5 minutes ago, KhunLA said:

That's one opinion.  I just don't have much respect for millionaire socialist.  Loses credibility with me.

Just a few minutes ago you wrote this:

"I don't need anyone to tell me their BS.  Prefer to think for myself."

But apparently it does depend on who is doing the telling.

[CLW]

On 11/1/2021 at 11:22 AM, crazykopite said:

I’m hoping the BKK car show will still go ahead in the first week of December to see what EVs are being shown Nissan have the Nissan Kick no need to plug it in as it has a small petrol motor that charges the electric batteries it’s just over a million baht for the top end model . I have been doing a lot of research the bad point is there are very few charging stations and living on an island such as mine it will be years before it happens so I would have to get an in-house charger installed which could end up rather expensive . I would love to go down that route but I think Thailand has a lot of catching up with the rest of Asia and let’s not forget the ridiculous taxes on imported cars !

I had the Nissan Kicks e-power for a weekend as rental car from Bizcar.

It drives like an EV just without charging the battery. If you drive in Eco mode it's super silent and fuel saving. Motorway with 120 cruising it was 5 L/100 km.

Normal and sport drive mode are noisy on the opposite as the small three-cylinder 1,3 engine is constantly revving up to charge the battery which is obviously rather small. Why small? Because with fully charged battery you can only drive 800 meters in pure EV mode, what a joke.

Interior built quality is mixed. Cockpit looks fine, the doors are with cheapest plastic and look like my Golf 2 from the 80s. You'll have to see the inside door handle of the Nissan Kicks....

Also the driver assistance systems are not up to modern standards. It only has a radar assisted cruise control which works excellent by the way but no option to upgrade to a LKA or some more sophisticated systems. MG ZS EV for example has it all. If you want to go hybrid, all Honda and Toyota hybrids in higer trims have Honda Sensing or the similar Toyota driving assistance systems.

The verdict, Nissan Kicks e-power is a nice car, but for the price tag you have better alternatives in the market. I wouldn't buy it...

[CLW]

If, as stated in the full news article, the import tax for EVs from China is 0%, I am wondering why there are no more EV brands from China entering the Thai market. Also Tesla could export his cars from China to Thailand and finally build a market presence here...

And then it surprises me that the price of the GWM Ora Good Cat in Thailand is almost double to what they are charging in China???

What is the reason? Greed???

[KhunLA]

21 minutes ago, placeholder said:

Just a few minutes ago you wrote this:

"I don't need anyone to tell me their BS.  Prefer to think for myself."

But apparently it does depend on who is doing the telling.

Do you think we are near extinction ?

 

Starting with that narrative, I don't need to continue, because I don't.  Scare mongering doesn't work on me.

[n8sail]

15 minutes ago, CLW said:

If, as stated in the full news article, the import tax for EVs from China is 0%, I am wondering why there are no more EV brands from China entering the Thai market. Also Tesla could export his cars from China to Thailand and finally build a market presence here...

And then it surprises me that the price of the GWM Ora Good Cat in Thailand is almost double to what they are charging in China???

What is the reason? Greed???

I think one of the main reasons not many Chinese EVs here yet is simply our need for right hand drive in Thailand.

 

MG EP is actually the MG5 in the UK...  of course right hand drive.   So it made sense for SAIC to bring the MG EP here, they already did the engineering for the lucrative UK market.

 

SAIC is also one of China's largest car manufacturers, MG is not their only brand.  MG EP is marketed under Roewe in China.

That the EP is less than a million baht is definitely due to the 0% import duty scheme.  Otherwise it would be around 1.5 million I would think, given what the Japanese EVs are selling for.

Time will tell if the thing lasts.  I'll be the first to put my foot in my mouth if it doesn't LOL.   I have a backup dinosaur burner when it does!  ????

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5 minutes ago, KhunLA said:

Do you think we are near extinction ?

 

Starting with that narrative, I don't need to continue, because I don't.  Scare mongering doesn't work on me.

Who said we are near extinction? Michael Moore? What are you on about?

[KhunLA]

That's the premise of his new movie ... we're headed toward extinction.  Or so I read, just watched the first 5 minutes, and the criticism that I've read about it, seems to be accurate.  Fear mongerng ... no thanks.

Edited November 2, 2021 by KhunLA

[blackprince]

I'm reluctant to enter debate about climate change here, but it's important to point out a key fact.

One of the regular ev supporters recently claimed on a different thread that current warming can be explained by the interglacial cycle. This is a common misunderstanding. I'm not going to mention the poster's name, as he seems to be a reasonable person in general, and I have no interest in getting into a slanging match. But it's important to point out that he is very wrong in this important respect,

Yes the interglacial cycle is worth considering and is obviously a factor, but it doesn't explain the massive increase over the last 80 years in particular or since the industrial revolution in general.

Here's a link to a relevant NASA page that does explain why. I assume only the most hard-bitten deniers here could believe that NASA is part of a global conspiracy.

Does this mean we as a species are heading for extinction? No, of course not. But it does mean that we are destroying the sweet spot that enabled our species to evolve both biologically and socially.

Societies around the world are heading for a very very difficult time, with massive upheavals. The political and social consequences are even more unpredictable than the climate consequences.

https://climate.nasa.gov/evidence/

[KhaoYai]

3 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

The current system is the wrong one anyway, IMO. Hydrogen, whether used directly in a combustion engine or fuel cells avoids most of the problems of charging EVs.

Completely agree - Hydrogen is the way forward.

[tingtongfarang]

 

[tingtongfarang]

 

[KhunLA]

2 hours ago, blackprince said:

One of the regular ev supporters recently claimed on a different thread that current warming can be explained by the interglacial cycle. This is a common misunderstanding. I'm not going to mention the poster's name, as he seems to be a reasonable person in general, and I have no interest in getting into a slanging match. But it's important to point out that he is very wrong in this important respect,

 

Yes the interglacial cycle is worth considering and is obviously a factor, but it doesn't explain the massive increase over the last 80 years in particular or since the industrial revolution in general.

You can mention me, (if applicable ????), as I'm always ready to agree to disagree.  I understand what the 'rising quick' lately theory is, and may or may not be accurate.  If it is, I just don't care.

 

I personally don't believe the man made aspect of the equation is all that contributory, and I may be wrong.  Don't care either way.  It doesn't and won't effect me in my life time.

 

Think they're predicting 1° C on the negative side of things over the next century.  That's not going to affect me, wife, kid, or her kids if she should so desire.  Now if it goes up 2 or 3, doubtful, next 100 -300 yrs, then they better figure a fix soon.   Or the few elite who have paid the entrance fee, will be living underground, self sufficiently.  Although, every biosphere has failed miserably.  Does figure into the inevitable ice age that will arrive.  Yet another great planet cleanse, good for her.

 

I don't have an EV or going solar to save the planet, as it's beyond saving, or should I say, the human parasites are beyond saving.  EV, just because it's way too cool to drive, and solar, is strictly a financial & security decision, in case the world does go to s h i t, and not from the weather, in my or mine's lifetime.  They'll have energy, water (rain) and fish to eat, since live surfside.  Wife's got a green thumb, so no worries.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Gold Star]

2 hours ago, KhunLA said:

That's the premise of his new movie ... we're headed toward extinction.  Or so I read, just watched the first 5 minutes, and the criticism that I've read about it, seems to be accurate.  Fear mongerng ... no thanks.

Left wing alarmists such as Moore have never carried much weight with me, sharing the same consideration I give to the right wing conspiracy theorists. 

 

Looking past that, the main takeaway from it is that it shows us that when you dig deeper into the 'renewable transition' being forced upon us, it is still quite dirty and nasty, not as green as it is made out to be, and it comes with significant environmental costs. 

 

Most people are oblivious to this, thinking if they have an EV, or use gray or blue hydrogen, or renewable energy, they have no contribution to fossil fuel use. These are the same folks saying they don't kill any animals, but still buy their meat from the store.

 

Over 90% of Thailand's electricity now comes from fossil fuels, such as gas, coal, and lignite. The Thai government has set big goals to have 30% produced by renewables by 2037. We all know how good Thai's are in meeting goals, so one must add a few to that.

 

Presently hydrogen is produced from natural gas, as it is 2 to 3 times cheaper than green hydrogen, but hydrogen will be the future in transportation we will move towards in a few decades after the EV fad runs its course.

 

The main benefit of EVs for us today and for the decades to come is that it helps to move the smog from the dense cities, out into the surrounding countryside where the electricity is produced.

 

Affordability here is the main obstacle to adoption, as so many here can barely afford food, let alone a new vehicle.

 

 

[blackprince]

49 minutes ago, KhunLA said:

I personally don't believe the man made aspect of the equation is all that contributory, and I may be wrong.  Don't care either way.  It doesn't and won't effect me in my life time.

 

Think they're predicting 1° C on the negative side of things over the next century.  That's not going to affect me, wife, kid, or her kids if she should so desire.  Now if it goes up 2 or 3, doubtful, next 100 -300 yrs, then they better figure a fix soon.   Or the few elite who have paid the entrance fee, will be living underground, self sufficiently.  Although, every biosphere has failed miserably.  Does figure into the inevitable ice age that will arrive.  Yet another great planet cleanse, good for her.

Re your para 1, you are free to believe whatever you wish, but surely it's better to base your beliefs on facts, indeed you recently pasted a graph that you believe provides facts to support your opinion that climate change is determined solely by interglacials, plus the link to that page. The link url you posted contained "nasa", but closer perusal shows that (1) the site is not a nasa site anyway and (2) the site's main objective is to provide evidence to refute deniers. Perhaps in your haste you didn't notice those 2 salient points.

Regardless, the link I posted to the real NASA site shows a much more detailed graph plus clear explanatory text which should dispel any of your misunderstandings.

Re your para2, best way to sum it up is "I'm all right Jack", even though you acknowledge there is change afoot. In fact the change is already here, as anyone who keeps abreast of international news or travels a lot would be aware, and it will only get worse for your children and grandchilldren and great-grandchildren, assuming you have/will have any.

As for your para3, well I've been solar in one form or another for about 25 years and I certainly don't need to do it to save money, but if that's your motivation then fine, every little bit helps.

Have a nice evening.

Edited November 2, 2021 by blackprince

[KhaoYai]

On 11/1/2021 at 12:02 AM, OneMoreFarang said:

Then houses need higher rated power supplies.

Potentialily an even bigger problem in Thailand where the standard power supply is less than that of other countries.  I'm far from an expert on the subject but I do know that most houses in the UK cannot handle a fast charger without a supply upgrade.  I'm also not a fan of electric cars - yes we have to do something about climate change and do something fast.  As per my earlier post, I just can't see it working - the idea is there but the infrastucture/power supply isn't. As others have said, hydrogen appears to be a better option but I believe the technology is a few years behind EV's at the moment.

 

I pulled in to a car park here (UK) the other day, I'd guess there were 80 - 100 spaces and just two charging points. Our beloved PM says there'll be no new combustion engined cars after 2035 and he's pushing for 2030. I've heard that companies buy/lease 2/3rds of new cars and they tend to change them every 2 to 3 years so there's going to be a hell of a lot of electric cars around from 2037 or 2032. If Boris gets his way we are looking at traffic disruption like we've never seen for the next 10 years or more if the infrastructure for those cars is to be put in place.

 

If this 'project' fails, how much pollution/greenhouse gases will have been created through years of construction - not to meantion that created by queueing cars in the mayhem, all for nothing. Many people seem to think that the move to electric cars is going to be a saviour - they forget that the electricity needed to charge them currently burns a lot of fossil fuels. 

 

Thailand gets a lot of sun, they appear to have plans to create a large network of solar farms over the coming years - perhaps that might  help charge electric cars.  However, I'm not sure Solar Farms are a good idea - maybe in the desert but not on farmland, that's needed for food.  The place for solar panels is on existing roofs, not farmland.

 

Our glorious leaders love to talk the talk on climate change and hail there renewable enegry projects as great successes. 

 

WHAT THEY FAIL TO TELL YOU IS THINGS LIKE THIS:

 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-49567197

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aeazNmqV3SA

 

 

Edited November 2, 2021 by KhaoYai

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11 hours ago, blackprince said:

I'm reluctant to enter debate about climate change here, but it's important to point out a key fact.

One of the regular ev supporters recently claimed on a different thread that current warming can be explained by the interglacial cycle. This is a common misunderstanding. I'm not going to mention the poster's name, as he seems to be a reasonable person in general, and I have no interest in getting into a slanging match. But it's important to point out that he is very wrong in this important respect,

Yes the interglacial cycle is worth considering and is obviously a factor, but it doesn't explain the massive increase over the last 80 years in particular or since the industrial revolution in general.

Here's a link to a relevant NASA page that does explain why. I assume only the most hard-bitten deniers here could believe that NASA is part of a global conspiracy.

Does this mean we as a species are heading for extinction? No, of course not. But it does mean that we are destroying the sweet spot that enabled our species to evolve both biologically and socially.

Societies around the world are heading for a very very difficult time, with massive upheavals. The political and social consequences are even more unpredictable than the climate consequences.

https://climate.nasa.gov/evidence/

Actually, the case for warming being due to the fact that we're in an interglacial period is false. It's true that we're in an interglacial period. But warming actually reached its highest level about 7000 years ago. Since then, there's been a very very slow decline in average global temperature until the extraordinary recent spike.

 

https://www.climate.gov/news-features/climate-qa/what’s-hottest-earth-has-been-“lately”

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1 hour ago, KhaoYai said:

Potentialily an even bigger problem in Thailand where the standard power supply is less than that of other countries.  I'm far from an expert on the subject but I do know that most houses in the UK cannot handle a fast charger without a supply upgrade.  I'm also not a fan of electric cars - yes we have to do something about climate change and do something fast.  As per my earlier post, I just can't see it working - the idea is there but the infrastucture/power supply isn't. As others have said, hydrogen appears to be a better option but I believe the technology is a few years behind EV's at the moment.

 

I pulled in to a car park here (UK) the other day, I'd guess there were 80 - 100 spaces and just two charging points. Our beloved PM says there'll be no new combustion engined cars after 2035 and he's pushing for 2030. I've heard that companies buy/lease 2/3rds of new cars and they tend to change them every 2 to 3 years so there's going to be a hell of a lot of electric cars around from 2037 or 2032. If Boris gets his way we are looking at traffic disruption like we've never seen for the next 10 years or more if the infrastructure for those cars is to be put in place.

 

If this 'project' fails, how much pollution/greenhouse gases will have been created through years of construction - not to meantion that created by queueing cars in the mayhem, all for nothing. Many people seem to think that the move to electric cars is going to be a saviour - they forget that the electricity needed to charge them currently burns a lot of fossil fuels. 

 

Thailand gets a lot of sun, they appear to have plans to create a large network of solar farms over the coming years - perhaps that might  help charge electric cars.  However, I'm not sure Solar Farms are a good idea - maybe in the desert but not on farmland, that's needed for food.  The place for solar panels is on existing roofs, not farmland.

 

Our glorious leaders love to talk the talk on climate change and hail there renewable enegry projects as great successes. 

 

WHAT THEY FAIL TO TELL YOU IS THINGS LIKE THIS:

 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-49567197

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aeazNmqV3SA

 

 

Actuallly, your reasons why EV will fail in Thailand could also have been applied with little change to show why automobiles would never replace the horse-and-buggy.

It is true that currently most electricity in Thailand is produced by fossil fuels. But that should change as solar and wind continue to decline in cost. 

As for farmland being used instead for solar energy. Are you aware that most of the gasoline/petrol in use in Thailand is supplemented with alcohol distilled from various crops and diesel is supplemented with bio-diesel?

In addition, the amount of land needed for solar power is far less than its opponents would have you believe. If all electric power in the US were provided by solar, that would amount to about 10,000 square miles.

https://www.vivintsolar.com/learning-center/how-many-solar-panels-to-power-the-usa

Which is roughly 0.3% of the continental US land mass.

Also, there is no reason why solar and farming can't share the same space. Agrovoltaics is just in its initial stages but research is promising.

And this takes no account of wind power.

As for SF6 guess, it is a real problem. But not an unsolvable one. If you get through the BBC article you linked to, you'll not that SF6 is not being used in a huge new wind farm. So the problem is beginning to be addressed.

 

Edited November 2, 2021 by placeholder

[OneMoreFarang]

1 hour ago, KhaoYai said:

Our glorious leaders love to talk the talk on climate change and hail there renewable enegry projects as great successes. 

Good post!

I think the problem for our leaders is that even if they see that EVs are not he perfect solution they have to pretend they love them. After all, everybody "knows" that EVs are great and leaders would get lots of opposition if they wouldn't at least pretend to love EVs. 

I think that is a worldwide problem with many issues for politicians. They often say what voters want o hear and not the truth.

[KhaoYai]

3 hours ago, OneMoreFarang said:

I think that is a worldwide problem with many issues for politicians. They often say what voters want o hear and not the truth.

And that's what worries me politicians making political decisions rather than the right ones.  Can they stop it and do the right thing? Maybe. Will it be too late by then? Almost certainly.

 

I watched a few hours of reports on the Cop 26 meeting in Glasgow, listened to Boris using metaphors a la James Bond. His 'One minute to midnight speech.  Heard the Indian leader pledge Net Zero but not until 2070! The Australian PM's statement on their massive coal mines - they're not going to be bullied, they'll 'do it the Australian way' . Noted that Putin and Xi hadn't even bothered to turn up and decided its not worth watching anymore - nothings going to change.  How is it that a 13 year old girl gets it but our dear leaders don't - Bla Bla Bla.

 

Australia's been on fire as have parts of Siberia (not much news coverage of that). India's in the grip of hideous flooding with more to come but these 'leaders' still place their economies above the environment. This ain't Covid, there's no vaccine for climate change.

 

They think its a game, an election campaign, say the right things, what the people want to hear and you'll win.  That ain't going to 'cut it' with climate change.  A lot of things have been cleaned up over the last 20 - 30 years. Regulations and requirements have cut emissions by a long way (but).  Car's, even diesels, are far cleaner than they ever were (but).  But the total climate damaging gas emmisons have actually gone up! That's the but. Why?  Well using cars as an example, yes they're cleaner but there's millions more of them.  Then there's the tragedy of SF6 Gas - as per the BBC report.  The UK's population think we're leading the way with all our wind farms and renewables - in fact we're emitting a gas associated with those energy sources that's the equivalent of putting 1.3 million extra cars on the road!

 

Then there's our beloved internet. The servers necessary for me to post what I'm writing consume huge amounts of energy.  Bitcoin servers for example, use more electricity than Argentina does! Do we need bloody Bitcoin?

 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-56012952

 

Do we need 'Smart Homes'?  3G seemed pretty good to me, now we're on 4 and soon moving to 5.............no doubt they consume even more electricity.  Some people say technology will get us out of this mess - it seems to me that some technologies are getting us further in to it.

 

Our young folk protest, they want us to do something, 'we're stealing their future' - oh yes?  Just who is it that needs a surgical operation to remove their phones?  Endless 'surfing' and scrolling - to learn what?  Which 'Social Influencer to follow?  What their 'Facebook Friends' had for dinner? Who is it that has to have the latest phone? The most trendy fashion? Who's out partying when most of the older generation are fast asleep? Yeah, its us old folks that are destoying their world. Right!

 

Still, I do my bit - what I can. I recycle, cut my car mileage by over half, changed my diet to 90% plant based and cut my home electricty usage by half.  I insist on hot water wherever I live so I installed an air source heat pump to provide hot water at my Thai home and installed a state of the art condensing boiler in the UK - I now use almost half the oil I used to.

 

Then I learn that 400 private jets brought our leaders and their delegations to Glasgow.  I give up!

Edited November 3, 2021 by KhaoYai

[jacko45k]

5 minutes ago, KhaoYai said:

Still, I do my bit - what I can. I recycle, cut my car mileage by over half, changed my diet to 90% plant based and cut my home electricty usage by half.  I insist on hot water wherever I live so I installed an air source heat pump to provide hot water at my Thai home and installed a state of the art condensing boiler in the UK - I now use almost half the oil I used to.

And the guy next door is burning trash and leaves his car running to warm it up.......

Edited November 3, 2021 by jacko45k

[KhaoYai]

4 hours ago, placeholder said:

Actuallly, your reasons why EV will fail in Thailand could also have been applied with little change to show why automobiles would never replace the horse-and-buggy.

It is true that currently most electricity in Thailand is produced by fossil fuels. But that should change as solar and wind continue to decline in cost. 

As for farmland being used instead for solar energy. Are you aware that most of the gasoline/petrol in use in Thailand is supplemented with alcohol distilled from various crops and diesel is supplemented with bio-diesel?

In addition, the amount of land needed for solar power is far less than its opponents would have you believe. If all electric power in the US were provided by solar, that would amount to about 10,000 square miles.

https://www.vivintsolar.com/learning-center/how-many-solar-panels-to-power-the-usa

Which is roughly 0.3% of the continental US land mass.

Also, there is no reason why solar and farming can't share the same space. Agrovoltaics is just in its initial stages but research is promising.

And this takes no account of wind power.

As for SF6 guess, it is a real problem. But not an unsolvable one. If you get through the BBC article you linked to, you'll not that SF6 is not being used in a huge new wind farm. So the problem is beginning to be addressed.

 

Your sort of missing my point - its all BS. 

 

Things can be dome, they even say they will but they don't and by they, I don't just mean Thailand.  The economic cost is always put above the environmental cost.  Just using the example of SF6 gas - there's always been an alternative, an alternative that uses no harmful gases but it costs more. 'The problem is beginning to be addressed' - why was it allowed to happen in the first place? It was known. Just BS!

 

There was a guy on the radio the other day who'd quit his job as the manager of a recycling plant.  He revealed that less than 10% of the plastics we dutifully crush and put in our recycling bins actually get recycled.  He'd been 'directed' to fudge the paperwork to make things lokk different.  More BS.!

 

The day the powers that be stop the BS, get serious about climate change will come, it will have to but I fear it will be far too late.  Then their beloved economies will totally collapse - there's not much point in making a profit if your country's on fire.

 

The one subject that hardly ever gets an airing when climate change gets discussed and in my opinion, its the main reason any of this is happening - population.  The planet cannot support the amount of people on it already (7.9 billion) - we take out more than we put in and that can never work. The forecast is for the world's population to be close to 10 billion by 2050! 2 billion more mouths to feed. 2 billion more consumers! We care not about the habitats of wildlife - if we need more housing, more roads, we build them. Nature always bites back and it will win. Our planet had a finely balanced eco-system and we've broken it.  We are supposed to be the intelligent species - yet we wreck our home through greed.

 

Some countries are only half a meter away from being flooded. Bangkok is only about 1m above seal level I believe.

Edited November 3, 2021 by KhaoYai

[KhaoYai]

Oh jeez! I see the climate change deniers have arrived. Guys, just stop it, its not big and its not clever.

 

You don't need a degree in evironmental science to know that you can't throw rubbish up in to the atmosphere for over 250 years and it have no effect - get real.

 

Hard to believe what I'm reading. Where do these people live - under a stone somewhere?  Probably the same people that think Covid 19 is a hoax, vaccines will kill us and the virus is being spread through the 5g network.

 

Post a few graphs, a few statements from fake professors and think we're all as daft as you are.  I remember an anti vaxxer trying to convince me that Covid 19 vaccines were a plot from 'Big Pharma'.  His evidence? A very well presented official looking report form a so called medical professional in the USA.  It turned out that this guy was actually a disgraced UK doctor that had been struck off. He now lives in the USA and has made millions out of peddling his rubbish and 'alternative therapies'.

 

https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-020-02989-9