3 hours ago, smedly said:

I suppose the point is - humans running around wearing masks is not normal and never will be, if it serves a purpose then fine - going forward I do not see mask wearing in my future

That's the future.

 

Elon "Mask" is about to release a mask which sits deep in your lungs, powered by batteries.

“Wearing mask does not help. It has no effect.”

When a sergeant do an operation he where a mask. Why??

I think a mask has some effect against Covid, but do not protect you a lot.
I do however thing that wearing a mask reduces the risk of you giving the virus to others.

The virus is transmitted, in tiny water bubbles, especially if you cough or sneeze, they can carry a long way. That gets stopped by the mask.

If you say “I don’t want to wear a mask”, you are saying “I don’t want to wear a mask, it does not help me, and I don’t care about others”.

3 hours ago, smedly said:

I agree with most of what you said, mask wearing in SEA is quite common but it is definately more to do with diminishing air quality but it certainly is not normal for humans to wear masks and never will be, if that is the world you see in our future then that really is disturbing 

There is strong information showing developmental delays can happen in small children wearing masks. It makes sense too. Especially those who are made to wear them at home as well as school. Getting cues from facial expression & learning language are greatly hindered by mask wearing. Seeing faces are a prime source of social, emotional and linguistic signals.
https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/masks-can-be-detrimental-to-babies-speech-and-language-development1/

3 hours ago, hotchilli said:

Better than nothing.

I'd rather wear a mask [for whatever benefit] than walk around without one.

You can wear 2,3,4 or how ever many masks you think. I think that the social effects are more harmful than the perceived benefit.  Change my mind with facts and any peer reviewed studies from actual members of the public from normal mask wearing. I’m still waiting on how effective they are after an hour, 2 hours, 8 hours of constant wearing plus how effective they are in high humidity, sweating and rain.  

16 minutes ago, Jorgendk said:

“Wearing mask does not help. It has no effect.”

When a sergeant do an operation he where a mask. Why??

I think a mask has some effect against Covid, but do not protect you a lot.
I do however thing that wearing a mask reduces the risk of you giving the virus to others.

The virus is transmitted, in tiny water bubbles, especially if you cough or sneeze, they can carry a long way. That gets stopped by the mask.

If you say “I don’t want to wear a mask”, you are saying “I don’t want to wear a mask, it does not help me, and I don’t care about others”.

I think your wrong in you saying if you don’t wear a mask you don’t care about others. I think your health is not my responsibility. If I see someone smoking should I grab their arm and put out the cigarette?  If you are eating too much should I force you to stop?  If I see a motorcycle rider in front of my car should I pull over and stop so I don’t accidentally hit them?  Now reverse it. Should you follow behind me when I go up stairs to make sure I don’t fall?  Should you run up and hold a ladder that I climb on?  Should you come to my house and make me go exercise if I’m over weight?  
 

The only thing is I have the obligation to willingly do you no harm. You have the social obligation to willingly do me no harm. To say if I don’t wear a mask I’m willingly doing you harm is completely wrong. Freedom isn’t safe. I would rather breath air as a free man than muzzle myself or force others to muzzle themselves as a slave. If you think the air is dangerous you have the freedom to stay home or wear as many masks as you want.

 

the other issue I have is the thinking that everyone is carrying a disease. This behavior is not sane. If you have your double jab you should be safe right?  So how would my breathing without a paper mask covering my mouth change anything for you?   

25 minutes ago, BadSpottedDog said:

There is strong information showing developmental delays can happen in small children wearing masks. It makes sense too. Especially those who are made to wear them at home as well as school. Getting cues from facial expression & learning language are greatly hindered by mask wearing. Seeing faces are a prime source of social, emotional and linguistic signals.
https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/masks-can-be-detrimental-to-babies-speech-and-language-development1/

I spent much of my childhood (and later) doing sports and cycling etc just normal growing up stuff - there is no way you could any of it wearing a face mask - impossible

 

even now if you were to exert yourself without proper breathing you could starve a very important muscle of oxygen which could result in a serious health problem 

Re effectiveness of masks. Question 3 in this quiz is very enlightening.

https://www.covidchartsquiz.com/

2 hours ago, Smokey and the Bandit said:

You are inaccurate. In the UK .....

Only one third of all deaths by the alleged delta variant were among those who did not get the shot, calling into question the assumption by vaccine advocates that the shots were “saving lives”.

From February 1 through August 2, Britain recorded 742 deaths from the delta variant. Of these, 402 were fully vaccinated while 79 had received just one shot. The remaining 253 cases were unvaccinated.

In Israel and the US state of Vermont too, a majority of new hospitalizations were “fully vaccinated”.

Don't know specifically about the UK. But it's 100% proven those who are being hospitalized or dying now are mostly the unvaccinated.

 

You'll have to put up a credible link to support your comment. Otherwise....

https://www.media.pa.gov/pages/health-details.aspx?newsid=1595

 

Vaccines Work: 97% of COVID Deaths, 95% of Hospitalizations and 94% of Cases are Among Unvaccinated Pennsylvanians

1 hour ago, Jeffr2 said:

Don't know specifically about the UK. But it's 100% proven those who are being hospitalized or dying now are mostly the unvaccinated.

 

You'll have to put up a credible link to support your comment. Otherwise....

https://medicalxpress.com/news/2021-07-vaccinated-unvaccinated-britons-dying-coronavirus.html

 

https://scitechdaily.com/more-vaccinated-people-are-dying-of-covid-in-england-than-unvaccinated-heres-why/

 

Happy ?????

Covid-19: Researcher blows the whistle on data integrity issues in Pfizer’s vaccine trial

https://www.bmj.com/content/375/bmj.n2635

14 hours ago, smedly said:

really ?

 

do you think mask wearing sorts it all out, it is a token and is 10% effective at best - it not the answer going forward, mask wearing was a common thing in Bangkok where the city polution levels were pretty much toxic and dangerous like right now .............against covid ?, well that is still up for debate 

I'd rather not go than be ordered to wear a mask all day, in fact i won't go until the mask and test on arrival conditions are ditched...i'm sure i'm not the only one who thinks like this.

Thailand needs to know there is actually other countries out there with beaches and sun.

8 hours ago, blackprince said:

Actually, I didn't say what I see in the future. I said what I've seen in the past to date. But minor points aside...

 

To me what is far more disturbing than the wearing of masks is the sheer refusal of certain sections of western society to take elementary precautions against serious illness.

 

The UK is a case in point. A large section of society has become extremely complacent about masks and distancing since the successful vaccination rollout, with the consequence that the UK has been catapulted back into the worst decile worldwide and getting worse every

If you think of the large population of our little windswept rock you will realise that England are one of, if not the worlds leaders when it comes to life being back to pre-covid normality and cases are in fact coming down not getting worse every day!

I felt proud to be an Englishman yesterday when travelling by train from Edinburgh yesterday when the guard said masks are mandatory until you get to Carlisle, in fact it made me think Scotland (and Wales for that matter) are still living in the dark ages so to speak...

15 hours ago, smedly said:

really ?

 

do you think mask wearing sorts it all out, it is a token and is 10% effective at best - it not the answer going forward, mask wearing was a common thing in Bangkok where the city polution levels were pretty much toxic and dangerous like right now .............against covid ?, well that is still up for debate 

8 hours ago, Harrith1954 said:

A madk only is looking safe, but the virus easely come through the holes in the material, because the virus is much smaller.

IT give fake safety, that is why the virus still spreads.

Your theory is correct, only if the virus could travel by itself. But the fact is, that it always travel attached to small droplets, which most often will be caught in a good mask.

9 hours ago, JonnyF said:

A lot of the Thai women where I work are extremely irritated by wearing masks, some of them having to get specialist treatment for skin problems that have developed by having to wear them in the office 9 hours a day.  

 

Just because they don't complain as much, doesn't mean they're OK with it.

 

As for the OP, when I want advice on how to live my life from some hospital director I'll ask for it. Until then, he should keep busy working out more ways to overcharge foreigners for medical treatment and keep his advise to himself. 

I used to work in UK operating theatres female staff were reluctant to stop wearing masks, even when they were demonstrated not to be necessary for circulating staff (as opposed to the staff actually doing the procedure) in modern theatres because it enhanced their eyes and actually made the most plain woman seem prettier

5 hours ago, Smokey and the Bandit said:

https://medicalxpress.com/news/2021-07-vaccinated-unvaccinated-britons-dying-coronavirus.html

 

https://scitechdaily.com/more-vaccinated-people-are-dying-of-covid-in-england-than-unvaccinated-heres-why/

 

Happy ?????

 

4 hours ago, Smokey and the Bandit said:

<<<<Questionable source edited out>>>>

 

4 hours ago, Smokey and the Bandit said:

https://rightsfreedoms.wordpress.com/2021/09/12/fact-check-70-of-covid-19-deaths-are-among-the-vaccinated-population-not-the-unvaccinated-population-as-claimed-by-boris-johnson-the-bbc-sky-news/

One website does not mention anything about more vaccinated that unvaccinated are dying. The other websites are clearly fake news judging by the wild and fantastical non scientific other stories advertised on the same pages written on an obscure website with no scientific credibility whatsoever 

1 hour ago, Ty Hareways said:

If you think of the large population of our little windswept rock you will realise that England are one of, if not the worlds leaders when it comes to life being back to pre-covid normality and cases are in fact coming down not getting worse every day!

I felt proud to be an Englishman yesterday when travelling by train from Edinburgh yesterday when the guard said masks are mandatory until you get to Carlisle, in fact it made me think Scotland (and Wales for that matter) are still living in the dark ages so to speak...

Sorry, but the facts are completely different. The UK covid story is in 3 chapters so far:

 

1. Terrible. Due to an initial attempt at "herd immunity" and delayed lockdowns the UK was at one point 3rd worst in the world for covid deaths per 100,000 of population.

 

2. Good. The vaccine rollout was a success.

 

3. Terrible. Due to the success of the vaccine rollout, widespread complacency among certain sections of society regarding masks and distancing have resulted in the UK being catapulted back into the worst decile in the world for covid, and getting worse every week.

 

These are  verifiable facts. As for your train anecdote, as they say back in blighty - "pride comes before a fall".

4 hours ago, Smokey and the Bandit said:

https://medicalxpress.com/news/2021-07-vaccinated-unvaccinated-britons-dying-coronavirus.html

 

https://scitechdaily.com/more-vaccinated-people-are-dying-of-covid-in-england-than-unvaccinated-heres-why/

 

Happy ?????

If we end up with 100% people being vaccinated. Then 100% of the people with the virus will have already been vaccinated. But a lot less will die or be hospitalized. Not sure why you are posting on this?

1 hour ago, RobU said:

 

 

One website does not mention anything about more vaccinated that unvaccinated are dying. The other websites are clearly fake news judging by the wild and fantastical non scientific other stories advertised on the same pages written on an obscure website with no scientific credibility whatsoever 

Stunning that some gravitate towards these fake news websites. And believe them!

Some posts with links to questionable sources have been removed. 

10 hours ago, Midwit said:

The only thing is I have the obligation to willingly do you no harm. 

I do not know if you misunderstood me, NO my health is not your responsibility.
But you should try to not give the corona to anyone. (As you rightly say " have the obligation to willingly do you no harm"
i where a mask, mainly to try not to give any Corona I might have, to others,

14 hours ago, RobU said:

 

 

One website does not mention anything about more vaccinated that unvaccinated are dying. The other websites are clearly fake news judging by the wild and fantastical non scientific other stories advertised on the same pages written on an obscure website with no scientific credibility whatsoever 

More vaccinated people are dying of COVID than unvaccinated people, according to a recent report from Public Health England (PHE). The report shows that 163 of the 257 people (63.4%) who died within 28 days of a positive COVID test between February 1 and June 21

The first two link are from Scientific papers and quote the PHE figures

Your saying the PHE are fake news???? REALLY!! I suppose you would believe it if was from from CNN LMAO!!

No doubt you also believe the Earth is flat and Man didn't walk on the Moon??

1 hour ago, Smokey and the Bandit said:

More vaccinated people are dying of COVID than unvaccinated people, according to a recent report from Public Health England (PHE). The report shows that 163 of the 257 people (63.4%) who died within 28 days of a positive COVID test between February 1 and June 21

The first two link are from Scientific papers and quote the PHE figures

Your saying the PHE are fake news???? REALLY!! I suppose you would believe it if was from from CNN LMAO!!

No doubt you also believe the Earth is flat and Man didn't walk on the Moon??

Totally out of context.  Please, stop posting rubbish like this. 

 

https://www.reuters.com/article/factcheck-coronavirus-britain-idUSL1N2RP28I

Fact Check-Vaccinated people in Britain are not dying at a higher rate than the unvaccinated

This shows that, proportionally, fewer people died from COVID-19 who had been fully vaccinated.

10 minutes ago, Jeffr2 said:

Totally out of context.  Please, stop posting rubbish like this. 

 

https://www.reuters.com/article/factcheck-coronavirus-britain-idUSL1N2RP28I

Fact Check-Vaccinated people in Britain are not dying at a higher rate than the unvaccinated

This shows that, proportionally, fewer people died from COVID-19 who had been fully vaccinated.

Actually Jeff, Smokey's point is factually correct, it's his interpretation or implication of what this means which is incorrect, and his link would have been improved by pointing to a specific document rather than a general page containing scores of documents.

 

The basis reasoning is simple enough:

 

1. vaccination provides vastly increased protection against death, but not 100% protection.

 

2. in a population that is mostly vaccinated like the UK's the proportion of deaths of vaccinated people is bound to increase.

 

Here's a link which discusses this specific claim in some detail.

 

https://theconversation.com/most-covid-deaths-in-england-now-are-in-the-vaccinated-heres-why-that-shouldnt-alarm-you-163671

 

5 minutes ago, blackprince said:

Actually Jeff, Smokey's point is factually correct, it's his interpretation or implication of what this means which is incorrect, and his link would have been improved by pointing to a specific document rather than a general page containing scores of documents.

 

The basis reasoning is simple enough:

 

1. vaccination provides vastly increased protection against death, but not 100% protection.

 

2. in a population that is mostly vaccinated like the UK's the proportion of deaths of vaccinated people is bound to increase.

 

Here's a link which discusses this specific claim in some detail.

 

https://theconversation.com/most-covid-deaths-in-england-now-are-in-the-vaccinated-heres-why-that-shouldnt-alarm-you-163671

 

100% understood.  But he's putting it up as an anti vaxx'er would.  Plus, he's had some dodgy links removed already. Zip credibility.

 

It borders on misinformation.

On 11/9/2021 at 12:07 PM, smedly said:

I spent much of my childhood (and later) doing sports and cycling etc just normal growing up stuff - there is no way you could any of it wearing a face mask - impossible

 

even now if you were to exert yourself without proper breathing you could starve a very important muscle of oxygen which could result in a serious health problem 

Agreed! And let's not forget the bacteria that collects in a mask over a short period of time. There are reports from analysis on kids' masks, & what bacteria was found after one use. It was shocking.