Thailand reports 7,079 new Covid-19 cases, 47 deaths, 6,917 recoveries

[Bkk Brian]

10 minutes ago, Kadilo said:

In case you haven’t noticed it’s an anonymous forum. No one has to “share” anything personal details that don’t wish to. Just because someone says they live in BKK, Phuket or whatever doesn’t necessarily make it true or does anyone talking about their profession. 
 

For that reason what anyone says can pretty much be taken with a pinch of salt……..and that includes anyone, including those who choose to live their lives out on here with all sorts of personal details and stories. 
 

In my experience those types of people are more likely to be the ones to be wary of. 
 

In any case who cares what would be “ nice for you to know”

 

Are you saying people can only come on here if they share all their details. And why aren’t you asking other people other than the usual suspects all their private details?

 

What would be “nice” is for you and your other 2 amigos to stop obsessing over my private details, your stalking  for it is getting pretty boring. Get yourself another hobby while you are supposedly out of work. 
 

Now run along and keep on topic. 

Nobody is asking for private details they are asking where the school is, pretty much been explained why they have been asking for that. You are the one deciding to share scant information but yes as you say, we'll take it with a pinch of salt in future.

 

Much the same as when you said that you had been helping to feed the starving

 

i actually stopped and helped deliver to the homeless and starving today.

Edited November 14, 2021 by Bkk Brian

[brewsterbudgen]

57 minutes ago, dinsdale said:

Chinese manufactured.

I've no idea. I bought it in Boots.

[mtraveler]

3 hours ago, Kadilo said:

Not as silly as someone purposely taking things out of context for likes and popularity.
 

Do you really  think I was suggesting he move so he can teach for a few weeks before all the schools open in his area?  

 

It was being positive and insightful post to highlight how other areas are able to move on. 
 

 

Perhaps the way it sounded in your head when you wrote it, and the way it read was very different.  I didn't take anything out of context purposely, nor was I looking for popularity points.  Here's what was written:

 

The original poster said: "My school has pushed back the November 15th opening to November 22..." 

 

And you reply:  "Should move up north".  

 

How else should I take that?  It sounds like you're telling someone who is lamenting the situation that schools are still closed where he lives to solve the problem by moving up north.  If you had written "It's a shame you don't live up north...", well, then that would have sounded very different.  I think most people would read your response and come to the same conclusion I did, without "purposely taking things out of context for likes and popularity" (which honestly is not a nice thing to say). 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Kadilo]

10 minutes ago, mtraveler said:in  Here's what was written:

 

The original poster said: "My school has pushed back the November 15th opening to November 22..." 

 

And you reply:  "Should move up north".  

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

No, that’s not what was said written, that’s part of it, so as so many others constantly point out on here, you should quote the full post and not take it out of context. 
 

Strange when someone does it, surprise surprise they “like” the post. Hypocrites. 
 

Anyhow, as I said to the previous poster, move on, it’s been done to death. 

[ThailandRyan]

It would be nice to ensure that all vaccinations are being taken care of in every province and for the Schools who are required to be at 85% vaccinated prior to opening.  Even with the procedures and requirements having been met some Provinces and schools have gone to a total ban now and closure of schools to where we are now seeing on-line education once again. 

 

What was asked of a poster was what province he was referring to, so that information could be found to ensure the schools and all children there were indeed back to school in order to compare to elsewhere.  Additionally, it would be nice to know the actual province so we could see how that provinces Public Health director is handling things to see how it is playing out.  If indeed the province is up and running with its education system, and Covid is in check, it would be nice to see what actions have been taken against elsewhere, and then ask the question of "Why has this worked there and not elsewhere?, and have all Education directors been made aware of what needs to be done to ensure the safety of students, staff, parents and families.

 

It is really not such a hard thing to name a province, and would in all fairness be reasonable to state the province in order to add to the Covid discussion as far as vaccinations and covid cases within schools and the openings as we are discussing.

[dinsdale]

51 minutes ago, brewsterbudgen said:

I've no idea. I bought it in Boots.

It is Chinese. Look it up.

 

[brewsterbudgen]

34 minutes ago, dinsdale said:

It is Chinese. Look it up.

 

Why would I care? Is there a better Thai-made one? What difference does it make. Aren't most things Chinese-made these days?

[dinsdale]

Just now, brewsterbudgen said:

Why would I care? Is there a better Thai-made one? What difference does it make. Aren't most things Chinese-made these days?

Look up at my previous post. This is the one being used at schools in my province.

 

[Bkk Brian]

14 minutes ago, brewsterbudgen said:

Why would I care? Is there a better Thai-made one? What difference does it make. Aren't most things Chinese-made these days?

No idea on the one you bought but yes some are better than others for accuracy. Try to avoid "Lepu" another Chinese one. The GPO bought 8.5 million despite Prayut ordering them not too, whether they were distributed to retails outlets I don't know but they are sub standard and produce false results both positive and negative.

[brewsterbudgen]

2 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

No idea on the one you bought but yes some are better than others for accuracy. Try to avoid "Lepu" another Chinese one. The GPO bought 8.5 million despite Prayut ordering them not too, whether they were distributed to retails outlets I don't know but they are sub standard and produce false results both positive and negative.

To be honest, I just went into Boots and bought one. I didn't think I needed to do due diligence!

[Bkk Brian]

1 minute ago, brewsterbudgen said:

To be honest, I just went into Boots and bought one. I didn't think I needed to do due diligence!

Thats why this forum has its benefits, sharing of information

[onthedarkside]

An extended debate of off-topic posts that began with a trolling/flame post has been removed.

 

I would encourage all posters here to confine your comments to the topic at hand, and stop throwing snarky comments at fellow forum members.

 

[ThailandRyan]

2 hours ago, Kadilo said:

No, that’s not what was said written, that’s part of it, so as so many others constantly point out on here, you should quote the full post and not take it out of context. 
 

Strange when someone does it, surprise surprise they “like” the post. Hypocrites. 
 

Anyhow, as I said to the previous poster, move on, it’s been done to death. 

Can we know the province please, it will save checking all 72 for the information we are asking for as far as the educational institutions directives from the MOE and the provincial health administration.

[mtraveler]

2 hours ago, Kadilo said:

No, that’s not what was said written, that’s part of it, so as so many others constantly point out on here, you should quote the full post and not take it out of context. 
 

Strange when someone does it, surprise surprise they “like” the post. Hypocrites. 
 

Anyhow, as I said to the previous poster, move on, it’s been done to death. 

Unfortunately, I didn't know how to grab two different quotes, and I knew when I did that I'd get the "taking out of context" defense.  But I posted nonetheless.  Should have known better.   

 

So, for the record, below is the original complete post, which you responded to.  Please tell me now what is in this particular quote that changes anything.  

 

Here's the quote:

 

"My school has pushed back the Nov 15 openning to Nov 22 so remains online. P6-M3 or grades 6-9. Been here before. Pushed back then pushed back again then again, then ....... . I wonder about other schools not openning tomorrow as was so joyously announced by the empty heads. Low primary grade 5 and below and kindergatern I suspect will not be back until the new school year next year."

 

And here is your response, again in full:

 

 

"Should move up North. Schools open since the 1st. November Older children 4 days/week, younger children  5 days, all teachers jabbed, all required students jabbed. 
 

Albeit after months of closure. 
 

Happy days." 

 

Full quote, right to the last period. 

 

Maybe you did have different intentions from how it read.  But, to be honest, from reading your many posts on this forum, one would infer that it was more than likely a smarmy response, which is exactly what you have offered to me both times in response to what I have written.  

 

You've inferred that I post for likes and popularity, and that I'm a hypocrite.  And that I should just move on.   All things that are not very civil.  

 

And no, I'm not posting this for likes either.  I'm responding to show you that you're not being honest about my quoting out of context. Nothing in the post changes anything.  

 

And now I'm happy to move on.  

[coolcarer]

1 hour ago, Rhacsyn said:

Poverty is a tragedy that affects most countries of the world. I am familiar with the problems in Thailand and other parts of SE Asia and for that matter, have fed unfortunate people myself, as, I am sure, reading daily posts here, have others.

 

What did shock me, and has opened my eyes the last few years is the amount of poverty in the western world also. As an example, below is a link to a recent report in CNN whereby it states that as per government figures there are now around 10.5 million people (22%) in poverty in the UK. A shocking and startling number. The definition of poverty can vary, of course.

 

Covid has hit hard globally.

 

https://edition.cnn.com/interactive/2021/11/business/london-food-banks-cnnphotos/

 

The situational poverty that has arisen here is a direct result covid with those in charge not willing to provide the lifelines needed to cover the basic necessaries of those they have put out of work due to the measures they imposed.

 

Impossible to compare that to the UK where they had for months implemented the furlough scheme paying 80% of wages to 9.5 million people.

 

Next you’ll be comparing the covid case numbers to Thailand with its testing rate compared to the UK. 

[brewsterbudgen]

2 hours ago, dinsdale said:

Look up at my previous post. This is the one being used at schools in my province.

 

Being British, I tend to rely on Boots for pharmaceuticals.  In any case, we tested my son and he's negative.  So we're all set for school tomorrow.  Finally!

 

When the history of Covid is written, I believe the way kids' education has been damaged with unnecessary closures and delayed re-openings will be nothing short of a scandal.

 

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41591-021-01571-8

 

Published: 27 October 2021

No causal effect of school closures in Japan on the spread of COVID-19 in spring 2020

 

[Kadilo]

3 minutes ago, brewsterbudgen said:

Being British, I tend to rely on Boots for pharmaceuticals.  In any case, we tested my son and he's negative.  So we're all set for school tomorrow.  Finally!

 

When the history of Covid is written, I believe the way kids' education has been damaged with unnecessary closures and delayed re-openings will be nothing short of a scandal.

 

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41591-021-01571-8

 

Published: 27 October 2021

No causal effect of school closures in Japan on the spread of COVID-19 in spring 2020

 

Agreed. 
 

The devastation caused by the prolonged closures of schools will not become apparent for a long, long time. Then the low priority given to re open is scandalous. 
 

Countries across the world shut down schools far to easily imo with the Increase in suicides, long term mental illness, and loss of education immeasurable for something with the death rates at such low rates. 
 

 

 

[dinsdale]

 

47 minutes ago, brewsterbudgen said:

Being British, I tend to rely on Boots for pharmaceuticals.  In any case, we tested my son and he's negative.  So we're all set for school tomorrow.  Finally!

 

When the history of Covid is written, I believe the way kids' education has been damaged with unnecessary closures and delayed re-openings will be nothing short of a scandal.

 

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41591-021-01571-8

 

Published: 27 October 2021

No causal effect of school closures in Japan on the spread of COVID-19 in spring 2020

 

Ok. Kids can catch up it's not the end of the world. The pic you posted though was Shenzhen Kisshealth Biotechnology. This is Chinese.

 

Don't get me wrong I want kids back to school but in my opinion nationally the fully vaccinated rate just isn't there. Shouldn't open the borders. Shouldn't open anything. Should have got vaccines in earlier. Should have locked down hard. Did that and things might be a bit better. Still only half the population double jabbed and many of these need boosters. Probably not 4 jabs like empty head Anutin has had. Some in Thailand are still waiting for 1.

Edited November 14, 2021 by onthedarkside
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[brewsterbudgen]

11 minutes ago, dinsdale said:

 

Ok. Kids can catch up it's not the end of the world. The pic you posted though was Shenzhen Kisshealth Biotechnology. This is Chinese.

 

Sorry not sure why there are 2 quotes. Not my intention.

You seem to have a problem with all things Chinese!  In any case, the study is Japanese. I didn't think I'd posted a pic.

[ThailandRyan]

39 minutes ago, Kadilo said:

Agreed. 
 

The devastation caused by the prolonged closures of schools will not become apparent for a long, long time. Then the low priority given to re open is scandalous. 
 

Countries across the world shut down schools far to easily imo with the Increase in suicides, long term mental illness, and loss of education immeasurable for something with the death rates at such low rates. 
 

 

 

The devastation caused by school closures as you say, and yet there are still school closures, so more inequality.

 

Bangkok where I am at, and even closer my district of Sathorn, as you read my posts like you do, still has closures and online learning even though staff is vaccinated. However, the lower grade school age students are not in school.

 

It would be nice to see what the province, your hiding from us, is doing differently from others, and thusly allowing all students to go to school. I am sure the required vaccinations are only for those 12 and up and they are not vaccinating all, and yet as you have said it's not compulsory for the staff.

 

[coolcarer]

27 minutes ago, Kadilo said:

Agreed. 
 

The devastation caused by the prolonged closures of schools will not become apparent for a long, long time. Then the low priority given to re open is scandalous. 
 

Countries across the world shut down schools far to easily imo with the Increase in suicides, long term mental illness, and loss of education immeasurable for something with the death rates at such low rates. 
 

 

 

Thailand was late in its vaccine purchase and distribution or are you suggesting they should have been opening up schools before all the parents, teachers and extended families were inoculated?

 

What would be the risk to that? Would you be willing to say it is a justified risk and see what the consequences would be. What if you were wrong and it didn’t go according to how you hoped and the result was uncontrollable spread that lead to far more dire outcomes. 
 

I’m a teacher and know the consequences of missed education however the consequences of further deaths in families and parents out way my educational wants for the kids.

[dinsdale]

49 minutes ago, dinsdale said:

 

Ok. Kids can catch up it's not the end of the world. The pic you posted though was Shenzhen Kisshealth Biotechnology. This is Chinese.

 

Don't get me wrong I want kids back to school but in my opinion nationally the fully vaccinated rate just isn't there. Shouldn't open the borders. Shouldn't open anything. Should have got vaccines in earlier. Should have locked down hard. Did that and things might be a bit better. Still only half the population double jabbed and many of these need boosters. Probably not 4 jabs like empty head Anutin has had. Some in Thailand are still waiting for 1.

Got a bit of this wrong. @brewsterbudgendid not post the Shenzhen Kisshealth Biotechnology pic hence is not using it. Sunday evening confusion I put down to a few quiet ones and too much <deleted> being posted. Apologies again @brewsterbudgen

[dinsdale]

1 hour ago, coolcarer said:

Thailand was late in its vaccine purchase and distribution or are you suggesting they should have been opening up schools before all the parents, teachers and extended families were inoculated?

 

What would be the risk to that? Would you be willing to say it is a justified risk and see what the consequences would be. What if you were wrong and it didn’t go according to how you hoped and the result was uncontrollable spread that lead to far more dire outcomes. 
 

I’m a teacher and know the consequences of missed education however the consequences of further deaths in families and parents out way my educational wants for the kids.

Well said. Child gets SarS-Cov-2 at school. Goes home. Infects grandma. Grandma dies from Covid-19. There are life long consequences to this that I would say outway missing onsite schooling. Vaccination rates just aren't high enough here to avoid these potential tragedies. Flipped classrooms can work but the digital divide is a big problem. None of it outweighs face to face in my opinion but if this can cause the spread of a deadly disease in a poorly vaccinated society maybe it's best to stay online.

Edited November 14, 2021 by dinsdale

[Oblomov]

 

Comparing with Germany/UK/France, where on some days 900,000 tests garner 35,000 cases, the ratio of cases is much lower. In UK, the falling rates reflect the higher vaccination rates (not the fault of countries with less easy access to home developed vaccines,) but also the higher levels of anti-bodies in those that have had the virus. As with major flu outbreaks, a natural resistance post infection is an important element in blunting outbreaks.

 

The Oxford AZ vaccine, built on a platform used for flu vaccines for decades, is reported to now being 'tweaked' to better combat the inevitable and more wiry variants. With UK doing 500,000 genome sequencing tests per week in Cambridge, hopefully identification of concerning mutations can be identified faster.

 

Hopefully we're moving towards a rational accommodation with this, just as we have (eventually) with all of the other illnesses and viruses amongst us, as the potential for chaos of this has certainly and vey quickly damaged so many of us in so many ways.

 

 

Edited November 14, 2021 by onthedarkside
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[Scott]

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COVID-19: Thailand reports 6,343 new coronavirus cases, 45 deaths, 7,663 recoveries

 

File photo: REUTERS

 

Thailand on Monday (November 15) reported 6,343 new COVID-19 cases, 7,663 recoveries and 45 additional deaths over the past 24 hours. 

 

Full story: https://aseannow.com/topic/1239464-covid-19-thailand-reports-6343-new-coronavirus-cases-45-deaths-7663-recoveries/

 

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