What is the latest info (education budget for hiring the foreigner teacher)

[slappy]

From what I understood, schools could apply to the ministry of education for a budget of 50,000 baht per month to pay for a foreigner teacher. 

Is this still currently the case? 

What is the latest info on this?

Many thanks 

[HappyExpat57]

I haven't heard anything about this. I have several friends in the Thai education system, schools are having a tough time just meeting payroll of much less than 50k/month. This is not including international schools which are on a completely separate pay scale.

 

 

Edited November 26, 2021 by HappyExpat57
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[blackprince]

This question has frequently come up here.

 

Foreign teachers in Thai government schools have never been funded in this way.

Edited November 27, 2021 by blackprince

[marin]

On 11/26/2021 at 11:58 AM, slappy said:

From what I understood, schools could apply to the ministry of education for a budget of 50,000 baht per month to pay for a foreigner teacher. 

Is this still currently the case? 

What is the latest info on this?

Urban myth. There is no such budget at all. I would like to know where you heard it, as I have been here 30+ years working in education and have never heard of it.

[Crazy Noobie]

I don't think there is an actual budget for 50,000 baht for teachers. My son is a teacher at an International School. From what I understand most schools are having troubles meeting their budget. As times are hard for them. Not all schools pay the same rate of pay. It depends on the type of school and its location on how much a teacher would be paid. If you have an idea on where you want to live, email the school and ask them. When my son was looking for a teacher position, he found out that International Schools pay more than a standard school. At the International School he gets paid more than the teachers that can speak english only. As he can speak, write and read Thai, so that helped a lot.

[khunPer]

I use to hear the salary is around 35,000 baht a month.

[Hanuman2547]

3 hours ago, khunPer said:

I use to hear the salary is around 35,000 baht a month.

It probably is.  Some school administrator just pockets the remaining 15,000 baht!  ????

Edited November 29, 2021 by Hanuman2547

[Hanuman2547]

6 hours ago, Crazy Noobie said:

I don't think there is an actual budget for 50,000 baht for teachers. My son is a teacher at an International School. From what I understand most schools are having troubles meeting their budget. As times are hard for them. Not all schools pay the same rate of pay. It depends on the type of school and its location on how much a teacher would be paid. If you have an idea on where you want to live, email the school and ask them. When my son was looking for a teacher position, he found out that International Schools pay more than a standard school. At the International School he gets paid more than the teachers that can speak english only. As he can speak, write and read Thai, so that helped a lot.

International schools fall under a different category.

[puchooay]

2 hours ago, Hanuman2547 said:

It probably is.  Some school administrator just pockets the remaining 15,000 baht!  ????

15000 baht remaining from what?

[Hanuman2547]

On 11/29/2021 at 8:49 AM, puchooay said:

15000 baht remaining from what?

Go back and read the very first post.  Your answer is there!

[blackprince]

1 hour ago, Hanuman2547 said:

Go back and read the very first post.  Your answer is there!

I'd rather suggest you go back and read the very first post and then the following posts, there haven't been that many.

 

The OP is making an unsubstantiated claim based on hearsay, though hearsay from whom he hasn't seen fit to tell, despite being asked.

 

This kind of fishing post frequently appears here.

 

Those of us who have knowledge of how funding for foreign teachers works in Thailand's government schools have gently corrected him.

[puchooay]

1 hour ago, Hanuman2547 said:

Go back and read the very first post.  Your answer is there!

However, it has already been mentioned that there is no such budget. Thus, making your comment inane.

[Hanuman2547]

34 minutes ago, puchooay said:

However, it has already been mentioned that there is no such budget. Thus, making your comment inane.

You, and another, took everything too literal.  When the salary was quoted as being 35,000 yet 50,000 was supposedly allotted I just stated that it probably was pocketed by an administrator.  Hence the smiley face at the end of my post.  Sheesh, you guys gotta lighten up some.  Sorry it flew over your head(s).  ????

[puchooay]

13 minutes ago, Hanuman2547 said:

You, and another, took everything too literal.  When the salary was quoted as being 35,000 yet 50,000 was supposedly allotted I just stated that it probably was pocketed by an administrator.  Hence the smiley face at the end of my post.  Sheesh, you guys gotta lighten up some.  Sorry it flew over your head(s).  ????

Good try.????????????

[Pravda]

You understand very wrong 

[CrunchWrapSupreme]

I've been in Thailand awhile. I won't say how long, lest the fine gentlemen around here whip out their measuring tapes. During this time I've had family and friends who were admins in schools and govt offices. Indeed, they confided in me that the figure mentioned is around that amount, perhaps a bit higher.

 

But it doesn't matter what the number is, nor the exact logistics behind it getting from the govt to the schools. What really matters is you can be sure that whatever each teacher is paid, began as a much higher number further up the line, after which many hands came out and took a cut.

 

Let's not kid ourselves. I know many of us teachers like to think we're on a noble mission. You know how schools get excited about hiring foreign teachers. They go out of their way to get them. They employ agencies. They're quite motivated in this endeavor. Though their motivation certainly isn't educating the kids, imparting upon them knowledge of the English language to broaden their horizons. Hardly.

 

If that were the case, Thailand wouldn't be ranked 100th+ again in the recent world English rankings. If that were the case, they wouldn't have teachers frequently sitting in their offices with classes canceled for activities, while the kids run amok. You'd think they'd care about the many teachers who just play Hangman every day, or pass out worksheets they printed off from Busy Teacher before class, or go to YouTube, type "English grammar" and hit play, then sit at the desk to play on their phones.

 

Indeed, the education is hardly a concern. The kids are all passed with at least minimum scores regardless. The farang in front of the classroom makes for good optics. He's the finishing touch in group photos. And then of course, there's the money. With each additional one that is hired there's another revenue stream, another salary from which to be siphoned. Same with everything else in the school. The school director is a businessman. He commissions projects, a new gym, activity room, "learning center" or whatever around the school. Each is another source of graft. In all the schools I've been at, abandoned structures sit scattered around the campus, having long since served their purpose. Rooms with piles of computers, TVs, lab equipment. No longer being used for whatever were the spoken reasons, but for the graft.

 

At one of my first jobs I was paid with paper checks. I was pleasantly surprised to see my first one was higher than the amount I thought we agreed to. Then I got the call, "Uhh, there's been an error. Your salary is incorrect, but it's too late to fix it now. Please return the overage each month to me." Heh. Such was my introduction to this lovely system. I then found such is not limited to the farangs, but Thais as well, with many having to kick back for the coveted govt jobs they had landed.

 

I've been to director's homes that were palaces, with walls surrounding large tracts of land, and driven there in agencies' multi-million baht European imports. Such certainly couldn't be afforded with whatever their official salaries are on paper. Like our dear friend in the RTP, Joe Ferrari, their alternative forms of income are vastly more lucrative. Shakedowns, graft, cuts, kickbacks. As such, their official duties are given less priority, be that policing, administrating, or teaching. Not to say there aren't some good examples of such people, who sincerely care about their jobs, though in my experience they've been rare.

 

Believe it or not. Just another farang, telling yet another story of the LOS.

[blackprince]

2 hours ago, CrunchWrapSupreme said:

I've been in Thailand awhile. I won't say how long, lest the fine gentlemen around here whip out their measuring tapes.

The issue isn't how long a foreigner has been here, the issue is what the foreigner has done since they have been here.

I'll reiterate, foreign teachers in Thai government schools are not funded via a government budget for foreign teachers.

[slappy]

This is not the issue  (the issue is what the foreigner has done since they have been here.)

 

As being the OP on the topic, The issue is, Is there a budget from the education ministry, for schools to employ a foreigner?

 

Just to inform. I have been here 13 years and teaching in those years at various schools. This topic always seems to pop up within conversation with other foreigners and no one has been able to give a true correct answer. 

 

Legally, I do know for any business to employ a foreigner eg Native uk, aussie, american, canadian it is 50,000 per month but if you are from another country like Philippines the salary scales drops down to 35,000 per month 

(Table of Income for Criteria 2.1(2) Annexed to Order No. 327/2557 of the Royal Thai Police Bureau dated June 30, 2014)

 

I am in a very similar situation as (CrunchWrapSupreme). I have experienced the same things he has mentioned. So as from reading the replies to my original question. I am still no wiser to the correct answer.

 

Thanks to all who responded 

 

 

[The Hammer2021]

On 12/1/2021 at 2:04 PM, blackprince said:

I'd rather suggest you go back and read the very first post and then the following posts, there haven't been that many.

 

The OP is making an unsubstantiated claim based on hearsay, though hearsay from whom he hasn't seen fit to tell, despite being asked.

 

This kind of fishing post frequently appears here.

 

Those of us who have knowledge of how funding for foreign teachers works in Thailand's government schools have gently corrected him.

The OP is making no claim substantiated or otherwise.

[blackprince]

5 minutes ago, slappy said:

Legally, I do know for any business to employ a foreigner eg Native uk, aussie, american, canadian it is 50,000 per month but if you are from another country like Philippines the salary scales drops down to 35,000 per month 

(Table of Income for Criteria 2.1(2) Annexed to Order No. 327/2557 of the Royal Thai Police Bureau dated June 30, 2014)

Out of courtesy, I've taken the time to read your recommended "Table of Income for Criteria 2.1(2) Annexed to Order No. 327/2557 of the Royal Thai Police Bureau dated June 30, 2014."

 

I have not found anything about "Legally, I do know for any business to employ a foreigner eg Native uk, aussie, american, canadian it is 50,000 per month but if you are from another country like Philippines the salary scales drops down to 35,000 per month", or anything about rules for salaries for foreign teachers.

 

I can tell you quite categorically there is no government budget for foreign teachers in Thai government schools. That's not how funding for foreigners in Thai government schools works.

 

I'll add that each Thai government school is administered by 1 of around 10 government bodies. None of these bodies draws on a government  budget for foreign teachers because there is no such budget.

 

You have still not told us where you heard the hearsay that inspired you to start this thread, but whoever gave it to you is incorrect.

 

 

[blackprince]

2 minutes ago, The Hammer2021 said:

The OP is making no claim substantiated or otherwise.

The OP says this "From what I understood, schools could apply to the ministry of education for a budget of 50,000 baht per month to pay for a foreigner teacher.  "

 

This is an unsubstantiated claim based on hearsay.

[puchooay]

22 minutes ago, slappy said:

Legally, I do know for any business to employ a foreigner eg Native uk, aussie, american, canadian it is 50,000 per month but if you are from another country like Philippines the salary scales drops down to 35,000 per month 

(Table of Income for Criteria 2.1(2) Annexed to Order No. 327/2557 of the Royal Thai Police Bureau dated June 30, 2014)

Teaching is exempt. The rule does not apply to teachers.

 

[puchooay]

On 12/2/2021 at 2:10 AM, CrunchWrapSupreme said:

I've been in Thailand awhile. I won't say how long, lest the fine gentlemen around here whip out their measuring tapes. During this time I've had family and friends who were admins in schools and govt offices. Indeed, they confided in me that the figure mentioned is around that amount, perhaps a bit higher.

The confusion likely lies in the question of where the budget comes from.

 

Every government school has a budget to cover teaching that cannot be performed by the registered government teachers, whose salary comes directly from the government.

 

Some teachers are hired directly by the school, usually on a one year contract. In the old days when teachers wore military style uniforms on a Monday, the difference between government workers and direct hires was plain to see.

 

The school's annual budget takes care of the direct hire teachers' salaries, including foreigners. There may well be, I'm not sure, a limit that they can cost a teacher from within that budget.

[puchooay]

16 minutes ago, blackprince said:

I have not found anything about "Legally, I do know for any business to employ a foreigner eg Native uk, aussie, american, canadian it is 50,000 per month but if you are from another country like Philippines the salary scales drops down to 35,000 per month", or anything about rules for salaries for foreign teachers.

It is a requirement for a work permit. The rules on required salary vary depending on nationality. Teachers are not covered by this rule.

[blackprince]

1 minute ago, puchooay said:

It is a requirement for a work permit. The rules on required salary vary depending on nationality. Teachers are not covered by this rule.

The topic of this thread is "From what I understood, schools could apply to the ministry of education for a budget of 50,000 baht per month to pay for a foreigner teacher. Is this still currently the case? "

 

The answer is - it was never the case, because that's not how funding for foreigners in government schools works.

 

Re the OP's reference to "Table of Income for Criteria 2.1(2) Annexed to Order No. 327/2557 of the Royal Thai Police Bureau dated June 30, 2014)" it makes no reference to differential salaries for foreign teachers based on nationality. But that's irrelevant to the original question of where does the money come from anyway, so I'm not going to go there.

 

 

 

[puchooay]

4 hours ago, blackprince said:

The topic of this thread is "From what I understood, schools could apply to the ministry of education for a budget of 50,000 baht per month to pay for a foreigner teacher. Is this still currently the case? "

 

The answer is - it was never the case, because that's not how funding for foreigners in government schools works.

 

Re the OP's reference to "Table of Income for Criteria 2.1(2) Annexed to Order No. 327/2557 of the Royal Thai Police Bureau dated June 30, 2014)" it makes no reference to differential salaries for foreign teachers based on nationality. But that's irrelevant to the original question of where does the money come from anyway, so I'm not going to go there.

 

 

 

I was replying to your post, not the OP.

 

You said "I cannot find anything about.....".

 

I just pointed out that it is a work permit requirement.

[blackprince]

6 hours ago, puchooay said:

I was replying to your post, not the OP.

 

You said "I cannot find anything about.....".

 

I just pointed out that it is a work permit requirement.

Yes I understand that. But I'd add that it's not as simple as a nationality rule. The guidelines for foreign teacher salaries in government schools include several factors.

 

 

 

[The Hammer2021]

13 hours ago, blackprince said:

The OP says this "From what I understood, schools could apply to the ministry of education for a budget of 50,000 baht per month to pay for a foreigner teacher.  "

 

This is an unsubstantiated claim based on hearsay.

Dont be silly. One the contrary 'From what I understand' qualifies it as query not a statement of fact. 

[blackprince]

4 minutes ago, The Hammer2021 said:

Dont be silly. One the contrary 'From what I understand' qualifies it as query not a statement of fact. 

I never said it was a fact. I said it was an unsubstantiated claim based on hearsay, which it clearly is. And the OP still has not said where he heard the hearsay, even though several people have asked him.

 

And he has made yet another unsubstantiated claim about salary differentials and given a document reference as supposed supporting evidence, however the document doesn't make any statement about this second claim.

 

Like many such posts here, it seems to be driven by a dissatisfaction with pay, The OP will never resolve that kind of dissatisfaction on this forum, as none of us is his paymaster.

 

But enough of this diversion, and back to the key question. There is no government budget for foreign teachers in government schools, period.

[The Hammer2021]

2 minutes ago, blackprince said:

I never said it was a fact. I said it was an unsubstantiated claim based on hearsay, which it clearly is. And the OP still has not said where he heard the hearsay, even though several people have asked him.

 

And he has made yet another unsubstantiated claim about salary differentials and given a document reference as supposed supporting evidence, however the document doesn't make any statement about this second claim.

 

Like many such posts here, it seems to be driven by a dissatisfaction with pay, The OP will never resolve that kind of dissatisfaction on this forum, as none of us is his paymaster.

 

But enough of this diversion, and back to the key question. There is no government budget for foreign teachers in government schools, period.

Calm down. Have a cold shower. Dare I say: 'get a life'. Please believe that which you will if it makes you feel better. LOL Good luck with your semantics and rhetoric classes. Soon you will understand the 'prosidic force' of statements and sleep a less angry person.