Can somebody explain to me what is going on?

[Confuscious]

1. The Vaccins:
I got vaccinated with Sinovac on 17-Aug-2021 and Astra-Zeneca on 10-Sep-2021.
The dates were appointed by the local Maharat hospital and are about 1 month separated.
I went yesterday for my "Booster" shot (Pfizer) but I was told by the nurse that she could not administer this shot as there has to be at least 2 months between the Astra-Zeneca and the Pfizer dose.

Thus, not before 10-Dec-2021.

 

In the meantime I was asking information in my home country how to get valid vaccinations for the event I want to return to my home country.
Their answer was:
1. Sinovac and Sinopharm vaccins are not accepted by my home country and thus not valid.

2. Astra-Zeneca is accepted, but that would imply that I have only 1 valid vaccination.

3. Pfizer is accepted as a ("Booster") vaccin, but there has to be at least 4 months space between the Astra-Zeneca and the Pfizer vaccination.

   Thus, not get Pfizer vaccination before Febraury next year.

   The Thai rule (2 months) is not accepted by my home country and would make the Pfizer vaccination invalid.

 

Can somebody clarify this?

2. Covid-19

After 3 vaccinations, one would assume that Covid would not have the same effect in him as an unvaccinated person.
Yes, a friend of mine (71 years old) who lives in my home country and got 2 vaccinations and a "Booster" vaccination (Pfizer - Pfizer - Astra-Zeneca) got a Covid infection and got the full blow.
He is now in intensive care and his life expectances are not bright.
If he would make it, he will have severe damage to his Kidney's, Liver and Lungs.
What is the use of get 3 vaccins when one can stil die from Covid?

TIA
 

 

 

[Scott]

I am very sorry to hear about your friend and your problems with vaccines.   I can't answer for the administrative and bureaucratic hoops that constitute a 'vaccinated person'.  

 

Your friend falls on the outer edges of what can happen when a lot of things go wrong.  He also is an indicator of how seriously we have to treat Covid.  Unless he has some underlying condition either identified or unidentified, he should be faring better than he is.  But here's the crux of the problem, as we get older our immune system is simply less responsive to invading pathogens. 

 

It appears that somewhere in the late 40's it starts to slow down and is significantly less responsive by the 60's.  Over 80, the risk from Covid is VERY high.   At 71, your friend should be able to ward it off.

 

At the end of the day, a vaccine works by stimulating the immune system to fight the specific proteins targeted in the spike of the Covid virus.  The vaccine tells our body what to produce, but our body has to actually do the producing of the immunity.  

 

I hope, in spite of the odds, he makes it.  Keep us posted.  

 

[OneMoreFarang]

Scientist don't know everything. And it takes time to get more and more knowledge and sometimes the knew knowledge is very different from what was known until then.

And then there are the people and the mass media who just don't want to accept the fact that sometimes people don't know (enough). I.e. the new Covid variant now. Is it more deadly? Will the existing vaccines work? In reality media should just write: Wait a few weeks, until we have more information. But of course that is not what is happening. Everybody is speculating best case based on very few facts. And then people complain that scientist don't know...

[bluehippie]

5 minutes ago, OneMoreFarang said:

Scientist don't know everything. And it takes time to get more and more knowledge and sometimes the knew knowledge is very different from what was known until then.

And then there are the people and the mass media who just don't want to accept the fact that sometimes people don't know (enough). I.e. the new Covid variant now. Is it more deadly? Will the existing vaccines work? In reality media should just write: Wait a few weeks, until we have more information. But of course that is not what is happening. Everybody is speculating best case based on very few facts. And then people complain that scientist don't know...

If you don't know, say so, BUT STOP LYING to the people. It has seriously eroded confidence levels and people cannot trust anyone or anything now. Big problem now, just stop all the BS.

[KhunLA]

"What is the use of get 3 vaccines when one can still die from Covid?"

..... nuff said

[bluehippie]

14 minutes ago, OneMoreFarang said:

Everybody is speculating best case based on very few facts. And then people complain that scientist don't know...

Yeah, people are trying to spin everything and shape it to fit the agenda or narrative of the day.

[Scott]

12 minutes ago, bluehippie said:

If you don't know, say so, BUT STOP LYING to the people. It has seriously eroded confidence levels and people cannot trust anyone or anything now. Big problem now, just stop all the BS.

There never was an attempt to lie to anyone.  This pandemic started with a novel coronavirus -- one that we knew nothing about.   What little could be predicted had more to do with what we knew about coronaviruses in general, that gave us a little about how they worked.   We also had some knowledge about SARS 1 and MERS.  

 

The vaccines performed as they were expected to with the original Covid-19 infection.  The 90+% efficacy still means roughly 10% would get it and if you get it, you can spread it.   There was no way to anticipate what mutations would occur and what variants would arise.  

 

Mutations are always anticipated, but as long as vast swaths of humanity are not vaccinated, the chances of more and more dangerous variants increases.  

 

The only lies I have heard are things like, it's a hoax, it will go away by April, and this or that unproven, untested medication will cure or prevent it.  

[Scott]

13 minutes ago, KhunLA said:

"What is the use of get 3 vaccines when one can still die from Covid?"

..... nuff said

Because you greatly diminish the odds of dying, just like you greatly reduce the odds of dying in a car accident if you wear a seat belt.  

 

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

11 minutes ago, KhunLA said:

"What is the use of get 3 vaccines when one can still die from Covid?"

..... nuff said

 

https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/wr/mm7037e1.htm

 

 

[bluehippie]

1 minute ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

 

https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/wr/mm7037e1.htm

 

 

Not peer reviewed (cdc-MMWR). Meaningless numbers.

[Scott]

2 minutes ago, bluehippie said:

Not peer reviewed (cdc-MMWR). Meaningless numbers.

Since when are statistics that are not a part of a study peer-reviewed?  This is a chart of the numbers, if you are going to label them as meaningless, then I suggest you show us the correct numbers from a credible source.  

 

[Scott]

Unapproved video removed.  Tik-tok is not a credible source. 

 

[Chelseafan]

1 hour ago, KhunLA said:

"What is the use of get 3 vaccines when one can still die from Covid?"

..... nuff said

The vaccine does not stop you from contracting Covid and passing it on nor does it stop you from being seriously ill or dying.  What it DOES do is signicantly reduce your risk of all the above.

 

No vaccine is foolproof

 

 

 

 

[KhunLA]

12 minutes ago, Chelseafan said:

The vaccine does not stop you from contracting Covid and passing it on nor does it stop you from being seriously ill or dying.  What it DOES do is signicantly reduce your risk of all the above.

 

No vaccine is foolproof

 

 

 

 

This is the only risk factor #s I'm concerned about, from Thailand's #s to worldmeter:

[Chelseafan]

53 minutes ago, KhunLA said:

This is the only risk factor #s I'm concerned about, from Thailand's #s to worldmeter:

When did Thailand ever give out inaccurate information.....????

 

[mvdf]

 

15 hours ago, Confuscious said:

What is the use of get 3 vaccins when one can stil die from Covid?

I have indeed heard of cases of fully vaccinated people contracting Covid-19 and dying from secondary complications and not from the virus itself. This is especially the case with immunologically compromised persons. If you are immunocompromised, vaccines offer no guarantees.

 

[Jeffr2]

6 hours ago, OneMoreFarang said:

Scientist don't know everything. And it takes time to get more and more knowledge and sometimes the knew knowledge is very different from what was known until then.

And then there are the people and the mass media who just don't want to accept the fact that sometimes people don't know (enough). I.e. the new Covid variant now. Is it more deadly? Will the existing vaccines work? In reality media should just write: Wait a few weeks, until we have more information. But of course that is not what is happening. Everybody is speculating best case based on very few facts. And then people complain that scientist don't know...

Every media site I read says we don't know much right now.  It's going to take a few weeks to figure this out. 

[Jeffr2]

4 hours ago, KhunLA said:

This is the only risk factor #s I'm concerned about, from Thailand's #s to worldmeter:

So you don't care about those ending up with long covid?  Those ending up in the ICU and suffering for weeks?  Not to mention every country in the world admits the number are an under count.  But you already knew that.

[Jeffr2]

 

6 hours ago, KhunLA said:

"What is the use of get 3 vaccines when one can still die from Covid?"

..... nuff said

Because you reduce the odds by 10x or so.  And, help get us out of this pandemic. 

 

Kinda like saying, "What is the use of wearing seat belts when one can still die in an accident"?.  Kinda ridiculous.

[sirineou]

5 hours ago, KhunLA said:

This is the only risk factor #s I'm concerned about, from Thailand's #s to worldmeter:

Do you know what "a little education is a dangerous thing " means?  

Since you don't care about getting seriously ill or infecting your love ones, assuming you have any,  I suggest the following exercise for you.

 Since according to statistics   very few of the deaths are from vaccinated people  remove the 59% of the vaccinated people from your above statistic , then since very few of the deaths are among the very young , remove those also , Unless of course you are very young (chronologically not menially) . Once you do that, come back and tell me what your chances of dying are? 

   Oh and to your chance of dying also add all the deaths that would had been if there were no social distancing and other covid mitigation measures.  

[OneMoreFarang]

5 hours ago, Jeffr2 said:

Every media site I read says we don't know much right now.  It's going to take a few weeks to figure this out. 

This is also what I read. But unfortunately there are lots of other media which don't tell the truth or stretch the truth so that their readers/viewers think they know more than all the others.

And then there are of course lots of panic reactions from certain politicians.

 

It would be a wonderful world if billions of people wouldn't listen to incorrect information...

 

[Jeffr2]

5 hours ago, OneMoreFarang said:

This is also what I read. But unfortunately there are lots of other media which don't tell the truth or stretch the truth so that their readers/viewers think they know more than all the others.

And then there are of course lots of panic reactions from certain politicians.

 

It would be a wonderful world if billions of people wouldn't listen to incorrect information...

 

 

 

Understood.  This mostly comes from those who shun MSM sites because they've fallen for the lies by the conspiracy theory websites.  Sad times.  And in the end, it's a big reason this pandemic is dragging on.  Misinformation and those who fall for it.

[OneMoreFarang]

Just now, Jeffr2 said:

Understood.  This mostly comes from those who shun MSM sites because they've fallen for the lies by the conspiracy theory websites.  Sad times.  And in the end, it's a big reason this pandemic is dragging on.  Misinformation and those who fall for it.

Yes - and no.

Look i.e. at the UK mass media (MSM). They spread so much misinformation everyday but millions of people consume them everyday.

And I am sure similar media exist all over the world.

 

[Jeffr2]

1 minute ago, OneMoreFarang said:

Yes - and no.

Look i.e. at the UK mass media (MSM). They spread so much misinformation everyday but millions of people consume them everyday.

And I am sure similar media exist all over the world.

 

Agreed.  But you need to separate the quality media sites from the dodgy ones.  The Guardian won't spread misinformation, whereas the Daily mail...ugh.

[Scott]

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[Confuscious]

11 hours ago, Scott said:

There never was an attempt to lie to anyone.  This pandemic started with a novel coronavirus -- one that we knew nothing about.   What little could be predicted had more to do with what we knew about coronaviruses in general, that gave us a little about how they worked.   We also had some knowledge about SARS 1 and MERS.  

Well, I don't know if the things I did read would be classified as a "lack of knowledge" or a "plain lie".

As far as I remember, at the start of this pandemic, the "chief warrior" of the WHO was telling that this virus was not worse as "a common Flu"; wearing face masks was no use; etc.
 

The Minister of Health in my country (a doctor) took it to the next level and started to claim that this virus was not worse as a common Flu and wearing face masks was silly and of no use.
A few weeks later, when things started to look very bad, she claimed that face masks could help but unfortunatly she destroyed ALL the face masks the country had in stock for cases like this.
But, no panic, she had already ordered a shipment of face masks from a dodgy producer in Turkye.
Unfortunatly, this producer was nothing more than a crook and he disappeared with a lot of public money.
But, no panic, she made a new order at a company in Luxemburg.
After a few weeks and lots of complaints from the public and the hospitals, the masks were delivered ........................... but were declared as "NO USE" by the Public Health Department.
 

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9 hours ago, KhunLA said:

"What is the use of get 3 vaccines when one can still die from Covid?"

..... nuff said

More than enough actually. At least as a diagnostic of someone's level of familiarity with very very basic laws of probability.

[Chomper Higgot]

9 hours ago, bluehippie said:

Not peer reviewed (cdc-MMWR). Meaningless numbers.

So all of a sudden the CDC can’t be trusted because it’s publishing factual, traceable data which contradicts what you’ve been told by your ‘alternative’ sources.

 

The CDC reports are governed by published CDC regulations and Federal Law. CDC reports and data provide the basis for public policy in areas of public health and public safety. CDC reports and data bases are a standard reference for research within academia and private business.

 

The report to which you object includes a list of authors and contributors, I suggest you compare their qualifications with those of whoever it is feeding your head with misinformation.

 

[KhunLA]

4 hours ago, sirineou said:

Do you know what "a little education is a dangerous thing " means?  

Since you don't care about getting seriously ill or infecting your love ones, assuming you have any,  I suggest the following exercise for you.

 Since according to statistics   very few of the deaths are from vaccinated people  remove the 59% of the vaccinated people from your above statistic , then since very few of the deaths are among the very young , remove those also , Unless of course you are very young (chronologically not menially) . Once you do that, come back and tell me what your chances of dying are? 

   Oh and to your chance of dying also add all the deaths that would had been if there were no social distancing and other covid mitigation measures.  

You're assuming quite a bit.

That I don't care ... I do, I just don't know anyone (confirmed) who has been infected with covid, let alone died of.  Do now know of, not personally, (friend of friend) 2 dying of, but very old and were on last straw anyway.  So any bug might have done them in.

 

Take your 59%, and raise to 100%, 200% or 300%, and my risk factor from 0.03% is still less than 0.1% chance of.  I'm still liking my odds.

 

Yes, social distancing is a good thing, and never implied it wasn't, which I easily practice, since retired, don't need to be around anyone, except when shopping for food.  Which case, they are (assuming vax'd) masked, face shielded, so my exposure risk is even less.  Especially living semi-rural.

 

I chose to enjoy life, instead of worrying about things that probably won't affect me, and if so, have little chance of dying from.  Not saying it can't happen, but I also ride a motorcycle, taking the necessary precautions....I'm comfortable with.  Not all that someone else would, as shorts, t-shirt & flip flops has been my norm for 40 yrs, while other prefer more protective attire.  Same same, not a whole lot different.  And my social distancing, keeps both of us safe, same as my defensive driving has done for 40 yrs.