Inside Pattaya’s struggling sex trade amid pandemic and downturn

[WEBBYB808]

Just now, Tony125 said:

Online can help with meetups but  with no farang visiting who they going to meet up with?

Lol, its a Sausage festival  now.  We all sit around at our favorite  watering hole, and talk about the crowds of men sitting at a bar with maybe two ladirs in it, and its not just one bar like this.  Its funny Pattaya is a Sausage fest at the moment,  and will be until afyer the new year.  The ladies arent coming.   Personally  I have had many contact me from all over Issan asking me is Soi 6 or bars open.  I told tgem yes many with out SHA and SHA + are opening,  and some legitimate.   I said,"why?" The reply was, "because  boss call me from @$%%## bar, and said open bar 16 Dec"  i said, " Seems so."  Then I asked if she was coming.   She said no she will stay home with family to party this new year, and come after.  But the bars can only open fro 5 om to 11 pm so the ladies say whats the point.  Yeah.. bars are dinosaurs  now for ladies

[Thingamabob]

9 hours ago, bbko said:

Awwww, I feel so sad they might have to get a real job.  (sarcasm)

Neither clever nor funny. 

[androokery]

6 hours ago, JustAnotherFarang said:

"Those who believe themselves to be morally superior by birth are welcome to play god and tell them how they should have lived". Whereas those that believe they are morally superior do so because of the choices they have made in their lives, it has nothing to do whatsoever with the notion of being superior at birth.  Why castigate those that disapprove? 

 

There are unfortunate people in Thailand who are forced into this work and those that are coerced do indeed deserve our sympathy and support but you are advocating for ladyboys and prostitutes who have chosen this profession as a way to make easy money and spread malcontent within society.  Forgive the decent people for what they think, but surely your family and friends would want to count themselves in that number and not be associated with the detritus of society.

You display your moral shortcomings very clearly

[Thingamabob]

6 hours ago, Walker88 said:

Having never walked in their shoes, I am unqualified to pass judgement on what work they do (or did). What I do know is that 1) despite the supposed booming Thai economy from 2010-2019, many people---especially those with minimal education---were never able to find traditional work. Even 7-11s and Big Cs were wildly overstaffed, and 2) Anyone who is suffering during the Covid Era is worthy of sympathy, whether they're a laid-off hotel worker or someone who worked in the sex industry. Need is need.

 

Many women in the industry found themselves with child at a tender age. Societal norms in Thailand forced many to leave school in addition to finding a way to earn money to pay for their child (since the baby dad almost always does a runner). Baby dad's life is unaffected, while a 16 year old mother has had her life permanently altered, whether due to a temporary lapse of judgement, moment of passion, or even an act against her will. Uneducated and with a mouth to feed, it isn't surprising some turned to the sex trade to get by. None of us, especially males, can say with certainty what we would have done in similar circumstances. To judge a woman based on what she chose is to delude ourselves into thinking we are somehow morally superior.

 

Now the subject of the quoted article obviously never got pregnant, but as I similarly do not know his circumstances nor background, and because what he does has no victim, I'm not going to judge. Those who believe themselves to be morally superior by birth are welcome to play god and tell them how they should have lived.

Very well said.

[LivinLOS]

9 hours ago, bbko said:

Awwww, I feel so sad they might have to get a real job.  (sarcasm)

Not always so available to the Trans workers the article highlight tho. 

Easy to punch down, but its not an easy lot in life !! 

[ExpatOilWorker]

1 hour ago, hotchilli said:

Some girls have the added burden of teen pregnancy and have children to support so they need the extra money.

Others have family members, parents, siblings, and kids to support...

You make it sound like all the girls are innocent victims of the trade. Some of the girl working the bar scene are so hard-core they make oilfield workers look like small school boys.

[bbko]

Why is it on one hand many farangs say the sex workers are forced into the sex trade yet when a slow down in customer happens they're all about backing them?  

There's sex workers in every country, including my own, you know why I'm not a hooker?  In school I studied, I went to work at an early age, I didn't turn to selling myself or drugs or turn to a life of crime, so excuse me if I don't have a lot of sympathy for those that did.  

[Thalueng]

How many girls back home would do a one night stand with a guy they can choose for 5000 £ a night? This is not really about moral standards, except that the Thai girls would send most of the money back home, where girls back home would keep every single penny. 

[BritManToo]

Just now, bbko said:

you know why I'm not a hooker?

I don't know about you, but I'm not a hooker because nobody would pay to have sex with me.

[bbko]

Just now, BritManToo said:

I don't know about you, but I'm not a hooker because nobody would pay to have sex with me.

Hang on, let me check my sofa cushion. ????

[rumeaug]

The "trade" is changing but not dying off. Prostitution is rapidly and overwhelmingly moving online and it will continue that way, and will definitely replace the old ways (street, gogo/girlie bars etc...etc...) There will be no going back to what old timers knew. Nana's, cowboy's, walking streets and so on will pretty much disapear. The same happened in Paris with Pigalle which 30 or 40 years ago had countless goo bars lining up in the adjacent street. From now on, those who look for "that " will need to look online. Certainly not as fun for a certain type of night -out , but that's how it is.

[connda]

That title reminds me of "Inside Seka." 

[Tony125]

31 minutes ago, bbko said:

Why is it on one hand many farangs say the sex workers are forced into the sex trade yet when a slow down in customer happens they're all about backing them?  

There's sex workers in every country, including my own, you know why I'm not a hooker?  In school I studied, I went to work at an early age, I didn't turn to selling myself or drugs or turn to a life of crime, so excuse me if I don't have a lot of sympathy for those that did.  

Well because maybe in your country  (Love how so many expats are ashamed to name their country) there are programs like in my country ( USA) that help poor persons with schooling, help if unmarraied and forsaken by father of child that Thailand's Gov does not help with . Basically leaveing the girls to fend for themselves. Your country and mine (USA) offer them more opurtunities to sucseed

[AustinRacing]

A 40 year old tranny sex worker would have struggled to make ends meet (could do so literally perhaps) in good old days anyway. ????????????

[smudger1951]

7 hours ago, JustAnotherFarang said:

"Oh woe is me and my chosen profession".  Is it the c ock or the money that they miss?  There are other decent ways of making money without crying plaintively and my sympathies do not extend to those that choose to lie on their backs and take whatever is coming

 

JustAnotherAhole.

[Jonathan Swift]

10 hours ago, bbko said:

Awwww, I feel so sad they might have to get a real job.  (sarcasm)

BS. Not sarcasm. Insensitivity devoid of humanity, disguised as sarcasm. It’s no laughing matter. You don’t know the life stories of these people, what their limitations and life options and choices were,  or how they ended up in their profession.  They are suffering genuine hardship just as are all Thai people whose basic needs and livelihoods depend on tourist dollars. They deserve as much respect as anyone else. Please do us all a favor and leave Thailand. You’re not worthy of this place. I think you’d find a home full of kindred spirits in the US, I suggest you self deport there. You can join all the MAGAs and white “nationalists”, your contempt for trans people would fit right in,  you could  even campaign for Trump in 2024. He’s your daddy.

[473geo]

There are many who have faced severe financial hardships due to covid being unable to ply their trade, or few customers, taxi drivers, hotel workers, food vendors in tourist areas, motor cycle rentals, barmen, bargirls, waiters, laid off factory workers, Airline staff, to give a few examples 

None need to be singled out in these hard times and be told, tough, "you should have entered a more suitable profession"

 

[Jonathan Swift]

9 minutes ago, smudger1951 said:

JustAnotherAhole.

Agreed. All these people with similar transphobic judgmental attitudes should self deport to the US, where they’d fit right in. They don’t belong here. This is the Thai people’s country, and that includes the sex workers and anyone else suffering from the pandemic. Hate and transphobia are the currency of America, and one reason I left.

[Mac Mickmanus]

1 hour ago, Thalueng said:

How many girls back home would do a one night stand with a guy they can choose for 5000 £ a night? This is not really about moral standards, except that the Thai girls would send most of the money back home, where girls back home would keep every single penny. 

I would say that most girls back home would have a one night stand for 5000 GBP , .................probably quite a few straight guys would be up for it as well 

[D M G]

It will return quickly; it will not disappear.  We are talking Human Nature as a business.

[lockey1]

You make casual assumptions in support of prostitution but you know deep down that society ALWAYS frowns on this chosen profession and for good reason.  Every sex worker has a sad story to tell and its never their fault so let those that pity them feed and offer them shelter,  the majority will ALWAYS turn their noses up in disdain and rightfully so

 

That does not mean that society is right to "frown" on this....chosen profession? If you knew more, you would know that more often than not, it is not a "chosen profession." The fact that you think it is right to "turn your nose up in disdain" shows a shallow character. To judge someone when you totally lack their life experience, not only shows your ignorance, but smacks of old fashioned snobbery. You did not mention the "good reason" either. I would suggest that it is you, that makes the casual assumptions in this case.  

[Bobydog]

8 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

I fail to see why. No one forced them to work as prostitutes ( despite the urban myth BS ). Most Thai women don't, and they probably all have problems with earning enough money.

You are talking thru your analsfinkta! A large majority only have minimal education and are disqualified by the Thai structure to work in anything close to a department store.

[Live Long and Prosper]

1 hour ago, Tony125 said:

Well because maybe in your country  (Love how so many expats are ashamed to name their country) there are programs like in my country ( USA) that help poor persons with schooling, help if unmarraied and forsaken by father of child that Thailand's Gov does not help with . Basically leaveing the girls to fend for themselves. Your country and mine (USA) offer them more opurtunities to sucseed

OMG, you are joking. The USA is nearly a third world country when it comes to poverty, education, welfare and health. 

[moskito]

12 hours ago, bbko said:

Awwww, I feel so sad they might have to get a real job.  (sarcasm)

another one just in Thailand for the weather

[Goldpanner]

4 hours ago, BritManToo said:

What's dishonest about working in the sex trade?

 

PS.

Just wondering how your wife earns her money?

She works at the Tiffany show ??

[ericbj]

Many girls in the prostitution "industry" are not Thais but are poorly educated girls from rural areas of neighbouring countries such as Burma.
They are offered legitimate jobs that do not exist.
Instead they are kidnapped, serially raped, and then sold into prostitution by the traffickers.
In some cases they are even sold by relatives - knowingly or without knowledge of the fate that awaits them - to the traffickers.

 

Girls from the northern reaches of Burma, e.g. Kachinland, are likely to end up in forced marriages to Chinese peasant farmers.

[ray richards]

I took a walk up eerie Walking St this week at 7.30pm , maybe 4 restaurants still open but empty, all the gogo bars & beer bars are there but pitch black, really weird experience along with about 4 other tourists also taking a look.

[Freddy42OZ]

7 hours ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

From my experience , the girls prefer smaller guys 

Are you saying the girls don't like you?  or are you as popular as some on this forum like to claim.

[Freddy42OZ]

15 minutes ago, ray richards said:

I took a walk up eerie Walking St this week at 7.30pm , maybe 4 restaurants still open but empty, all the gogo bars & beer bars are there but pitch black, really weird experience along with about 4 other tourists also taking a look.

Apocalypse tourism, like visiting Chernobyl. 

 

[sabai-dee-man]

12 hours ago, wombat said:

er....every female is a prostitute...they all get paid for their service to man in many different forms, however you want to look at it we pay.

Or, maybe you're a slave to p*ssy?! You may want to try looking into an equal partnership, with mutual respect.