927 million baht paid to over 8,000 people suffering side effects from COVID vaccinations

[webfact]

 

Between April 5th and December 26th, Thailand’s National Health Security Office (NHSO) paid out about 927 million baht in financial aid to 8,470 people who suffered undesirable side effects after being inoculated with COVID-19 vaccines.

 

According to Atthaporn Limpanyalert, NHSO deputy secretary-general, 11,707 people have filed claims for financial support after COVID-19 vaccinations, but only 8,470, or 72.39%, have met the criteria for compensation. Ofthe 1,752 cases which failed to meet the requirements, 615 have appealed and 1,485 cases are under consideration.

 

Of the approved cases, to whom financial compensation payments have been made, 1,962 suffered death or disability, while the remainder suffered less severe side effects.

 

Discover Cigna’s range of health insurance solutions created for expats and local nationals living in Thailand - click to view

 

Full story: https://www.thaipbsworld.com/927-million-baht-baht-paid-to-over-8000-people-suffering-side-effects-from-covid-vaccinations/

 

-- © Copyright Thai PBS 2021-12-27

 

- Whatever you're going through, the Samaritans are here for you

- Follow ASEAN NOW on LINE for breaking COVID-19 updates

[timendres]

Do a little research on adverse reactions to mRNA vaccines, and things get interesting...

 

https://vaers.hhs.gov/data.html

[mommysboy]

Sounds somewhat excessive. Out of 50 million AZ vaccines administered in UK I think there were 100 or so definite deaths through VITT.  Most other deaths will be incidental, perhaps a proximate but not the actual cause, which will be underlying health conditions. Still, it's probably a good idea to be generous.

[SidJames]

Nigh on 110,000THB per claim.

 

[richard_smith237]

Now that this news is out will we see a further run on any coincidental death or disability making a related claim ??

 

We’ll suddenly see the numbers of vaccine related side effects dramatically increases as soon as people realise there is some money to be made. 

 

Of course, there is very likely some money already being made higher up at the trough.... 

 

 

[richard_smith237]

1 hour ago, timendres said:

Do a little research on adverse reactions to mRNA vaccines, and things get interesting...

 

https://vaers.hhs.gov/data.html

VAERS is neither reliable for research or an analysis tool for such evaluation....  

 

I figured of anyone of an analytical mindset would know not to use data submitted by laymen and so heavily reliant on emotion. 

[timendres]

1 hour ago, richard_smith237 said:

VAERS is neither reliable for research or an analysis tool for such evaluation....  

 

I figured of anyone of an analytical mindset would know not to use data submitted by laymen and so heavily reliant on emotion. 

Deaths reported does seem like a fairly unemotional, easily recognized by laymen, data point.

[ukrules]

1 hour ago, mommysboy said:

Sounds somewhat excessive. Out of 50 million AZ vaccines administered in UK I think there were 100 or so definite deaths through VITT.  Most other deaths will be incidental, perhaps a proximate but not the actual cause, which will be underlying health conditions. Still, it's probably a good idea to be generous.

The deaths are merely the tip of the iceberg.

[hamleknoi]

Ha!

And this site censors and tempbans people that point out problems with the vaccines.

Odd that this article should be posted here.

[KhunLA]

Vaxxers aren't commenting, letting it die a forum death.  Expect to be closed soon.

 

Kudos to Thailand, for reporting the deaths, disabilities + minor effects, as people always stating they aren't transparent.  Haven't noticed any other country doing that.

 

VAERS is a fairly unknown site for non docs.  USA vaccine court isn't very known either, and with a silly timetable to file, many miss the opportunity for compensation.

Edited December 27, 2021 by KhunLA

[richard_smith237]

6 hours ago, timendres said:

8 hours ago, richard_smith237 said:

VAERS is neither reliable for research or an analysis tool for such evaluation....  

 

I figured of anyone of an analytical mindset would know not to use data submitted by laymen and so heavily reliant on emotion. 

Deaths reported does seem like a fairly unemotional, easily recognized by laymen, data point.

Thank-you for proving my point that laymen are insufficiently educated to file medical information (vaccine adverse event reporting) - being a layman you can’t possibly know any issue is vaccine related yet you seem to consider that you could easily recognise such and in doing so you’d be providing an erroneous data point - this is why VAERS is flawed. 

 

 

If a person passes or suffers medical complications people look for answers. 

Uneducated people draw uneducated and ill-informed conclusions.

 

If a person passes or suffers medical complications within a month of being vaccinated, uneducated and emotional people will draw the uneducated and ill-informed conclusions that their passing or medical complication was a result of the vaccination - They can then go ahead an fill out a VAERS report which is neither cross checked or validated by a medical professional yet still goes into the VAERS record. 

 

---------

 

 

A few months back my father was taken into hospital with a heart problem. 

It was two weeks after his second vaccination. 

One family member was convinced this was due to his Covid-19 vaccine, it was difficult to convince them that the symptoms had been present and reported for a couple of years already and that this was simply the progression of an existing condition. 

 

Someone of an emotional an uneducated mind may choose to fill out a VAERS report. 

 

Now, if the ‘government’ were also offering thousands of £££ compensation for vaccine related complications, of course, why not also put in a claim. There’s nothing to lose !!!! 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[richard_smith237]

18 minutes ago, KhunLA said:

Vaxxers aren't commenting, letting it die a forum death.  Expect to be closed soon.

 

Kudos to Thailand, for reporting the deaths, disabilities + minor effects, as people always stating they aren't transparent.  Haven't noticed any other country doing that.

 

VAERS is a fairly unknown site for non docs.  USA vaccine court isn't very known either, and with a silly timetable to file, many miss the opportunity for compensation.

Agreed... Kudos for reporting their figures....  But, are those figures accurate ?

 

Approximately 1300 people die each day in Thailand, given the vaccination numbers some will die within a few weeks of being Vaccinated - why not put in a claim for compensation ????

 

Thus, the numbers are simply compensation claims not medically accepted consequences of vaccination. 

[placeholder]

9 hours ago, timendres said:

Do a little research on adverse reactions to mRNA vaccines, and things get interesting...

 

https://vaers.hhs.gov/data.html

I would do that if you actually had a link to such a source. But what you've linked to is the Vaccine Adverse Events Reporting System. It's not the Vaccine Adverse Reactions Reporting System. The system was created to receive reports from anyone about and symptoms or illnesses that arise after being vaccinated. Anyone can make a report to the system. The reports are unverified. What's more, almost 200 miillion people in the USA have been vaccinated. Ya think that maybe some of those people might fall ill or die anyway? Being vaccinated doesn't make you immune to illness or death. Why is that so hard for some people to understand?

While very important in monitoring vaccine safety, VAERS reports alone cannot be used to determine if a vaccine caused or contributed to an adverse event or illness. The reports may contain information that is incomplete, inaccurate, coincidental, or unverifiable. In large part, reports to VAERS are voluntary, which means they are subject to biases. This creates specific limitations on how the data can be used scientifically. Data from VAERS reports should always be interpreted with these limitations in mind.

https://vaers.hhs.gov/data.html

[placeholder]

57 minutes ago, KhunLA said:

Vaxxers aren't commenting, letting it die a forum death.  Expect to be closed soon.

 

Kudos to Thailand, for reporting the deaths, disabilities + minor effects, as people always stating they aren't transparent.  Haven't noticed any other country doing that.

 

VAERS is a fairly unknown site for non docs.  USA vaccine court isn't very known either, and with a silly timetable to file, many miss the opportunity for compensation.

Did you actually read the entire article in question?

"Atthaporn explained that anyone who suffers undesirable side effects after vaccination can file a claim for initial financial aid without having to wait for confirmation that the effects are caused by vaccination.

Even if it is later proved that the side effects were not caused by vaccinations, he said that the NHSO would not demand a refund from the claimants."

https://www.thaipbsworld.com/927-million-baht-baht-paid-to-over-8000-people-suffering-side-effects-from-covid-vaccinations/

[KhunLA]

6 minutes ago, placeholder said:

Did you actually read the entire article in question?

"Atthaporn explained that anyone who suffers undesirable side effects after vaccination can file a claim for initial financial aid without having to wait for confirmation that the effects are caused by vaccination.

Even if it is later proved that the side effects were not caused by vaccinations, he said that the NHSO would not demand a refund from the claimants."

https://www.thaipbsworld.com/927-million-baht-baht-paid-to-over-8000-people-suffering-side-effects-from-covid-vaccinations/

Almost 28% of the claims were denied, so it's not just "I claim, I get".  Thai gov't & companies aren't exactly known for giving out compensation.  But surely you knew that.

 

Again, kudos to them for the way they are handling & compensating for the pain & suffering so many are enduring from the vaccine.

[Virt]

1 hour ago, KhunLA said:

Vaxxers aren't commenting, letting it die a forum death.  Expect to be closed soon.

 

Kudos to Thailand, for reporting the deaths, disabilities + minor effects, as people always stating they aren't transparent.  Haven't noticed any other country doing that.

 

VAERS is a fairly unknown site for non docs.  USA vaccine court isn't very known either, and with a silly timetable to file, many miss the opportunity for compensation.

Vaccines has always caused deaths or side effects.

Nothing new there.

 

Is there any civilized country that does not pay their citizens if they die or suffer from long term side effects?

 

I don't know.

What i do know my own country do pay and it does not matter if the citizen received an approved vaccine or a vaccine that had not been approved.

 

You probably don't read danish, but this site also track how many has applied, what brands of vaccines are involved, and if the cases are solved, pending or rejected.

 

https://pebl.dk/da/nyheder/i-fokus/covid-19-vaccine

 

Stop acting like it is s huge conspiracy.

Edited December 27, 2021 by Virt

[placeholder]

5 minutes ago, KhunLA said:

Almost 28% of the claims were denied, so it's not just "I claim, I get".  Thai gov't & companies aren't exactly known for giving out compensation.  But surely you knew that.

 

Again, kudos to them for the way they are handling & compensating for the pain & suffering so many are enduring from the vaccine.

What does the fact that some claims are rejected have to do with the explicit acknowledgement by the govt that claims can be paid even if it has not been proven that vaccines caused the damage? Just because some defective claims are denied does that mean that all are?

In addition, no one denies that vaccines can have serious side effects even though it's rare. As of December 23, 72.6 percent of Thais have received at least one dose of the vaccine.  That's about 49 million people. So about .0173% of Thai people who have been vaccinated have been paid compensation.   

Given that all the vaccines have been extremely effective in preventing serious illness and death, the number of people who have been given compensation is kind of paltry. 

And once again, the doublethink of covid vaccine critics is on clear display. The same people who dismiss the threat of covid as affecting an insignificantly low percentage of the population , get themselves into a fearful tizzy about far lower numbers of those who suffer side effects.

[richard_smith237]

1 hour ago, KhunLA said:

Again, kudos to them for the way they are handling & compensating for the pain & suffering so many are enduring from the vaccine.

I read this and realise any further discussion is utterly futile....   a quite attributed to Mark Twain springs to mind... 

[timendres]

2 hours ago, richard_smith237 said:

Thank-you for proving my point that laymen are insufficiently educated to file medical information (vaccine adverse event reporting) - being a layman you can’t possibly know any issue is vaccine related yet you seem to consider that you could easily recognise such and in doing so you’d be providing an erroneous data point - this is why VAERS is flawed. 

The flaws in VAERS are well documented on the site. Yet, those flaws apply across the full dataset. Given the massive outlier in the mix, I believe that it suggests a problem, and begs for serious investigation. No more conclusion needs be drawn.

[richard_smith237]

1 hour ago, timendres said:

The flaws in VAERS are well documented on the site. Yet, those flaws apply across the full dataset. Given the massive outlier in the mix, I believe that it suggests a problem, and begs for serious investigation. No more conclusion needs be drawn.

I think thats fair enough. As vaccines evolve with the viruses (all vaccines for all viruses) continued evaluation and investigation is not only warranted but necessary. 

 

However, due to the manner in which VAERS can be accessed the ‘outlier’ may be more greatly influenced by emotion and paranoia than anything else. Where the Covid-19 vaccines are concerned the issue has become highly politicised and influenced by those who are against vaccines. 

 

 

Thats not to suggest that VAERS does not play an important roll in the aggregate identification of potential problems, however, using the data as proof or for any qualitative analysis or factual evidence would be flawed. 

 

[hamleknoi]

Australia also has a compensation fund in place: https://www.health.gov.au/initiatives-and-programs/covid-19-vaccine-claims-scheme

• anaphylactic reaction
• thrombosis with Thrombocytopenia Syndrome
• myocarditis
• pericarditis
• capillary leak syndrome
• demyelinating disorders including Guillain Barre Syndrome (GBS)
• Thrombocytopenia, including immune Thrombocytopenia, identified as a final diagnosis.

 

[asiasurfer]

I always thought mRNA no have side effects... ????

[hioctane]

11 minutes ago, asiasurfer said:

I always thought mRNA no have side effects... ????

All vaccines and medications come with inheret risk. Would you avoid life saving surgery if there is a risk you might die?

[EricTh]

I wish the government can be a little more transparent.

 

How many percentage of each vaccine type got severe side effects? 

 

By severe I mean death or permanent disability (like amputated leg, heart or kidney affected)

 

(not fever or temporary nausea which are quite normal)

 

 

[EricTh]

33 minutes ago, asiasurfer said:

I always thought mRNA no have side effects... ????

You should have googled last year (not the top few entries but bottom entries on the search).

 

This is one example, 

 

https://www.reuters.com/business/healthcare-pharmaceuticals/two-die-japan-after-shots-suspended-moderna-vaccines-japan-govt-2021-08-28/

 

As of Aug. 8, 991 people had died in Japan after receiving shots of Pfizer Inc's vaccine and 11 after receiving Moderna's

 

Edited December 27, 2021 by EricTh

[jacko45k]

9 minutes ago, EricTh said:

You should have googled last year (not the top few entries but bottom entries on the search).

 

This is one example, 

 

https://www.reuters.com/business/healthcare-pharmaceuticals/two-die-japan-after-shots-suspended-moderna-vaccines-japan-govt-2021-08-28/

 

As of Aug. 8, 991 people had died in Japan after receiving shots of Pfizer Inc's vaccine and 11 after receiving Moderna's

 

You failed to complete the sentence in that link....

but no causality between the injections and the deaths has been established, according to the health ministry.

Disingenuous at best.

Edited December 27, 2021 by jacko45k

[EricTh]

25 minutes ago, jacko45k said:

You failed to complete the sentence in that link....

but no causality between the injections and the deaths has been established, according to the health ministry.

Disingenuous at best.

 

Of course, the big pharma will want to deny it and yet the detailed cause of deaths were never published even though 'no causality has been established?'

 

If someone took a vaccine and died days later, the chances of it being caused by the vaccine is quite obvious. People do not die suddenly after taking a vaccine for no reason.

 

Unluckily, none of us can read Japanese newspaper that will tell the details. Maybe we can ask some Japanese expats here on what the real story is.

 

 

 

Edited December 28, 2021 by EricTh

[brucegoniners]

This is what happens when you purchase lousy Chinese vaccines.

[GreasyFingers]

10 hours ago, placeholder said:

While very important in monitoring vaccine safety, VAERS reports alone cannot be used to determine if a vaccine caused or contributed to an adverse event or illness. The reports may contain information that is incomplete, inaccurate, coincidental, or unverifiable. In large part, reports to VAERS are voluntary, which means they are subject to biases. This creates specific limitations on how the data can be used scientifically. Data from VAERS reports should always be interpreted with these limitations in mind.

https://vaers.hhs.gov/data.html

Covering their ar@e.

[Scott]

Troll post removed along with reply.