home isolation

[JRG23]

So if a foreigner (or a Thai for that matter) tests positive for Covid are they allowed to home isolate until they test negative (after presumably around 10 days)?

What's the latest?

[internationalism]

Thai isolation for 14 days. If any symptoms hospitel or hospital. 
For foreigner small chance for home isolation. I read about 2 such cases. Still has to pay 14k for antiviral medicine

[richard_smith237]

I know of a couple of cases.

 

A close contact of a Foreigner (Western Male) tested positive.

Family (Father, Thai Wife and their son) went to check and all of them tested positive. 

Hospital contacted them and requested they go to the hospital to isolate. 

They had minor cold like symptoms. 

Spent 3 days in hospital under observation. Symptoms were minor.

Family were then allowed home to isolate at home for a 10 days. 

 

 

Another (foreigner) had ‘flu-like’ symptoms. Went to hospital for a PCR test. Tested positive.

Hospital contacted him and requested he go to hospital to isolate. 

He stayed in hospital for two weeks (upon instance of his work, his insurance paid). 

 

 

Another (foreigner) had ‘flu-like’ symptoms. Self test ATK positive, self isolated for 2 weeks until testing ATK negative. 

 

[richard_smith237]

As I understand it. 

 

IF my Wife, Son or I test PCR Positive at a Hospital we will be requested to isolate at the hospital. 

IF we have strong symptoms we will remain in hospital under care (together / or at least one parent with our son in one room, and another parent in a nearby room).

IF after a couple of days observation we have minor or no symptoms we will be permitted to go home with some ‘medication’ (antivirals I assume). 

 

Realistically: 

IF my Wife, Son or I have been in contact with someone who tests positive. We will take an ATK and respond according to the results. If ATK positive we will self isolate at home. 

IF however one of us starts to present with flu like symptoms we’d call a hospital and book a ‘hospital suite’ were we can all stay under observation and receive treatment (before any respiratory infection becomes more severe). 

 

IF I have to take a PCR test before travel and it is positive. I imagine we’d be called and told to check into a hospital. I’d demand a follow up confirmation PCR test. IF positive I’d have to follow protocol. Insurance would pay.  I’d ask my Wife and Son to take ATK and isolate if positive. 

It may also be the case that my Wife and Son are requested to take a PCR test at hospital as a ‘proximity’ risk case, in which case, we’d respond as above. 

 

 

So many permutations and possibilities - I don’t think there is any hard and fast rules. 

 

But I do no that if we test positive and do no present with symptoms we can be released to isolate at home. 

 

This is of course before the Omicron paranoia..... thinks may have changed and also be different from district to district (i.e. Bang Phi to Bangkok) and hospital to hospital. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[phuket Mike]

A lot depends on the Hospital, myself (British) and my wife Thai both tested positive back in November. We first went to a local health center and then to the local hospital in the town (Huai Yot, Trang). The local health center gave us some food supplies (rice, noodles, bottled water and a tray of eggs). 

At the local hospital we were tested again (positive again), by this time I had a mild cough and so did my wife. All our vitals were taken and we were given 2 packs - one containing various drugs and another that had a digital thermometer, blood oxygen testing device, masks etc.

My wife talked with the doctor and she agreed to let us isolate at home, so basically we just stayed in one bedroom for 10 days, thankfully my wife's family and friends brought us food every day.

I did not pay a single baht and everyone was very helpful, we had various symptoms including headaches, fever and general tiredness. Probably the worst one was the loss of smell and taste, made me lose interest in food.

Someone from the hospital called us 2 times to day check our progress.

Edited December 28, 2021 by phuket Mike

[cyril sneer]

8 hours ago, internationalism said:

Still has to pay 14k for antiviral medicine

This is very helpful to know thanks

[JRG23]

Yes. Useful info. I think if a family tests positive (through rapid test kits) it makes sense to isolate at home.

Obviously severe symptoms will need to be treated at hospital.

Basically, as far as I know, the medicine that hospitals can give you are the same that you can buy over the counter.

[DefaultName]

I'm in hospital quarantine, they told me that I cannot isolate at home "is law". True, dunno. 

 

As it happens, I've developed some symptoms, so I'm probably better off here with the drugs, but I had no choice unless I wanted to go full-on-Israeli. 

[Hanuman2547]

If it were me, already living in Thailand, I would prefer to take an in home test first.  If I test positive then I could just stay at home and self isolate.  If I developed worse symptoms then maybe I would have to go to a hospital.  Going to a hospital and testing positive they will attempt to "incarcerate" you into their facility where they can charge you outrageous amounts to do what you can pretty much do for yourself at home.  

[sandyf]

1 hour ago, DefaultName said:

I'm in hospital quarantine, they told me that I cannot isolate at home "is law". True, dunno. 

 

As it happens, I've developed some symptoms, so I'm probably better off here with the drugs, but I had no choice unless I wanted to go full-on-Israeli. 

I think the current legal requirement is an initial hospital assessment and up to them how to deal with it.

It has not always been the case and may well change again.

 

"Thailand’s Ministry of Public Health has unveiled plans to cope with a potential outbreak of the COVID-19 Omicron variant next year, including the reactivation of the home isolation program, as the main way to accommodate the infected,"

 

 

[sandyf]

52 minutes ago, Hanuman2547 said:

If it were me, already living in Thailand, I would prefer to take an in home test first.  If I test positive then I could just stay at home and self isolate.  If I developed worse symptoms then maybe I would have to go to a hospital.  Going to a hospital and testing positive they will attempt to "incarcerate" you into their facility where they can charge you outrageous amounts to do what you can pretty much do for yourself at home.  

The main government hospitals do not want to "incarcerate" anyone, they do not want covid patients and mainly get transferred. The concept of "outrageous" amounts comes from those that deal with elitist private hospitals.

I have been going to my hospital regularly during the pandemic and it has been very quiet, more staff sitting around than patients.

[internationalism]

3 hours ago, JRG23 said:

Yes. Useful info. I think if a family tests positive (through rapid test kits) it makes sense to isolate at home.

Obviously severe symptoms will need to be treated at hospital.

Basically, as far as I know, the medicine that hospitals can give you are the same that you can buy over the counter.

This medicine is japanese favinopavir, which was imported since around june in tens of millions pills. With total order some 240mln stretching into next year. 
from august the GPO started to make it in rather small quantities of millions, with total for this year some 60mln. 
They cost some 1500b box of 50. On the black market from 4k per box ( stolen from hospitals). 
charging for them in private hospitals 3x more than on the black market is a daylight robbery. For such i would refuse to take them until i negotiate price to below 2k. 
Because they are only in a small dose 200mg they need to be taken some 10 pills per day. In india they have started to make them 800mg to be used specifically for covid. Its possible to get them on the net

[NoshowJones]

17 hours ago, internationalism said:

Thai isolation for 14 days. If any symptoms hospitel or hospital. 
For foreigner small chance for home isolation. I read about 2 such cases. Still has to pay 14k for antiviral medicine

"Still has to pay14k for antiviral medicine" Are they kidding?? 14k?? Is that 14.000Bt?? How does anyone come up with that price?? What's the mark up here?? The Medical and Pharmical profession will never allow this pandemic to end.

[NoshowJones]

17 hours ago, internationalism said:

Thai isolation for 14 days. If any symptoms hospitel or hospital. 
For foreigner small chance for home isolation. I read about 2 such cases. Still has to pay 14k for antiviral medicine

"Still has to pay14k for antiviral medicine" Are they kidding?? 14k?? Is that 14.000Bt?? How does anyone come up with that price?? What's the mark up here?? The Medical and Pharmical profession will never allow this pandemic to end.

[Sheryl]

Cases detected on arrival from abroad are hospitalized, symptoms are not.

 

Those already living here, it seems to vary with locaton but I hear of much more forced hospitalization than not.

[NoshowJones]

6 hours ago, JRG23 said:

Yes. Useful info. I think if a family tests positive (through rapid test kits) it makes sense to isolate at home.

Obviously severe symptoms will need to be treated at hospital.

Basically, as far as I know, the medicine that hospitals can give you are the same that you can buy over the counter.

For 14000Bt?????????????

[Sheryl]

3 minutes ago, possum1931 said:

"Still has to pay14k for antiviral medicine" Are they kidding?? 14k?? Is that 14.000Bt?? How does anyone come up with that price?? What's the mark up here?? The Medical and Pharmical profession will never allow this pandemic to end.

If it is an imported drug under patent (and would have to be if it is at all effective) then this cost is quite possible without any mark up.

 

Whether or not it was necessary in this or other cases, is another matter. In the West usually reserved for people who are symptomatic or fall in a high risk category whereas I think in Thailand they want to give it to everyone.

[robblok]

2 minutes ago, possum1931 said:

"Still has to pay14k for antiviral medicine" Are they kidding?? 14k?? Is that 14.000Bt?? How does anyone come up with that price?? What's the mark up here?? The Medical and Pharmical profession will never allow this pandemic to end.

How they come up with that simple, they include development costs not just production cost. Also an extra reservation for failed projects. Its naive of you to think that they don't want a real cure for this because the first one who gets a good vaccine that works better will make a lot of money. 

 

You seem to have a hatred of people making money. You always seem to forget that a lot of money is going into research and a lot of that research leads to nothing. That needs to be paid for too. Sure they make money but without it many people would die. I for one am happy that medicines are being developed.

 

If you think that things should go without profit and so on, then look at the former soviet union. Because the people were not motivated (got paid anyway and if it was really good they would not make more money). So development was not great and lot of stuff was just not working. Socialism does not work people need to be rewarded if they do hard work and take risks. 

 

When you were a musician did you just charge a minimum hour rate for an performance? Or did you make it more expensive to cover for the time you have been practicing, for the equipment you used and for travel and so on ? People might look at it wow so expensive for just a few hours of music but then they forget all the hours you put in it before. 

 

Sure some prices might be a bit too much, but i rather pay a bit more and have it available then for it not to be there.

 

I think you and I just see things differently. 

[NoshowJones]

3 minutes ago, Sheryl said:

If it is an imported drug under patent (and would have to be if it is at all effective) then this cost is quite possible without any mark up.

 

Whether or not it was necessary in this or other cases, is another matter. In the West usually reserved for people who are symptomatic or fall in a high risk category whereas I think in Thailand they want to give it to everyone.

I understand Sheryl, thanks. Just reading what another poster said,  I just flipped. I don't think you could blame me.

[NoshowJones]

26 minutes ago, robblok said:

How they come up with that simple, they include development costs not just production cost. Also an extra reservation for failed projects. Its naive of you to think that they don't want a real cure for this because the first one who gets a good vaccine that works better will make a lot of money. 

 

You seem to have a hatred of people making money. You always seem to forget that a lot of money is going into research and a lot of that research leads to nothing. That needs to be paid for too. Sure they make money but without it many people would die. I for one am happy that medicines are being developed.

 

If you think that things should go without profit and so on, then look at the former soviet union. Because the people were not motivated (got paid anyway and if it was really good they would not make more money). So development was not great and lot of stuff was just not working. Socialism does not work people need to be rewarded if they do hard work and take risks. 

 

When you were a musician did you just charge a minimum hour rate for an performance? Or did you make it more expensive to cover for the time you have been practicing, for the equipment you used and for travel and so on ? People might look at it wow so expensive for just a few hours of music but then they forget all the hours you put in it before. 

 

Sure some prices might be a bit too much, but i rather pay a bit more and have it available then for it not to be there.

 

I think you and I just see things differently. 

I have already explained before Rob, I don't want to go through it all again, I don't mind anyone making a fair profit.

You cannot blame entertainers for becoming rich, there are people with less musical ability than me becoming millionaires.ie The Monkees. ????

I'll say one thing though. I hate and detest Capitalism.

Edited December 29, 2021 by possum1931

[robblok]

16 minutes ago, possum1931 said:

I have already explained before Rob, I don't want to go through it all again, I don't mind anyone making a fair profit.

You cannot blame entertainers for becoming rich, there are people with less musical ability than me becoming millionaires.ie The Monkees. ????

I'll say one thing though. I hate and detest Capitalism.

Then move to China or Russia. I mean your in the wrong country then. I have no problem with capitalism (up to a certain point). Socialism has been proven not to work. 

[NoshowJones]

3 minutes ago, robblok said:

Then move to China or Russia. I mean your in the wrong country then. I have no problem with capitalism (up to a certain point). Socialism has been proven not to work. 

(up to a certain point). Fair enough, if I discovered something that could make me rich, sure, I would love the cars, houses, holidays etc. I would not turn it down, but the main thing is being fair to your customers and giving them value for their money.

If you become a self made multimillionaire, the chances are you are doing your customers.

[robblok]

9 minutes ago, possum1931 said:

(up to a certain point). Fair enough, if I discovered something that could make me rich, sure, I would love the cars, houses, holidays etc. I would not turn it down, but the main thing is being fair to your customers and giving them value for their money.

If you become a self made multimillionaire, the chances are you are doing your customers.

Who decides what is value for money ? That is the biggest problem. Yes i love capitalism. but i don't love everything some things are just criminal. Like a company buying up all the competitors and then rising the price as he just became a monopoly. I hate monopolies. As long as there is fair competition anything goes, because then the customer can always go somewhere else. 

 

Same now with the pharmaceutical companies they all make vaccines, and the customer will decide what to buy. But if your first you can charge what you want at first (fair to IMHO) as you might have had extra cost to rush too extra risks ect. 

 

But like i said up to a certain point, bill gates did a great thing. He started small and got wealthy of windows. There were enough competitors but the consumer just preferred windows. 

 

Possum why do you think that sputnik and shinovax are not as good as the western vaccines ?... they were made under non capitalism but socialism. That is why i like capitalism as it makes better products. (unless there is a monopoly) 

[NoshowJones]

3 minutes ago, robblok said:

Who decides what is value for money ? That is the biggest problem. Yes i love capitalism. but i don't love everything some things are just criminal. Like a company buying up all the competitors and then rising the price as he just became a monopoly. I hate monopolies. As long as there is fair competition anything goes, because then the customer can always go somewhere else. 

 

Same now with the pharmaceutical companies they all make vaccines, and the customer will decide what to buy. But if your first you can charge what you want at first (fair to IMHO) as you might have had extra cost to rush too extra risks ect. 

 

But like i said up to a certain point, bill gates did a great thing. He started small and got wealthy of windows. There were enough competitors but the consumer just preferred windows. 

 

Possum why do you think that sputnik and shinovax are not as good as the western vaccines ?... they were made under non capitalism but socialism. That is why i like capitalism as it makes better products. (unless there is a monopoly) 

You always talk a lot of sense Rob, and I agree with you about monopilys, but I still hate capitalism, I would never make a good businessman.

[robblok]

5 minutes ago, possum1931 said:

You always talk a lot of sense Rob, and I agree with you about monopilys, but I still hate capitalism, I would never make a good businessman.

I suck at marketing my services ????j, i set my prices too low and then its hard to increase them. 

 

But im good at what i do and I understand how things work because I do accounting. So i know there are a lot of hidden costs that normal people don't see. But all my clients are small so easy to do. They earn their money by doing hard work or having clever ideas. 

 

Some really hit it off by jumping first into a market and make nice profits others not so much. Part of it is luck other part of it is just knowing what you do.

 

 

[Scott Savage]

18 hours ago, internationalism said:

Thai isolation for 14 days. If any symptoms hospitel or hospital. 
For foreigner small chance for home isolation. I read about 2 such cases. Still has to pay 14k for antiviral medicine

Why does everyone have to go hospital? No wonder they can’t cope! Just follow the science and guild lines of other countries. Isolate at home, if getting worse or feel the need for hospital treatment then go. Or is it about money again

[robblok]

Just now, Scott Savage said:

Why does everyone have to go hospital? No wonder they can’t cope! Just follow the science and guild lines of other countries. Isolate at home, if getting worse or feel the need for hospital treatment then go. Or is it about money again

I think in the beginning it was more about people not wanting to isolate. People would just go on even if they had covid. So if people don't follow the rules then home isolation does not work. It also does not work wel for families that live close together. That is why Thailand went for hospital and state quarantine.

[phuket Mike]

5 hours ago, internationalism said:

This medicine is japanese favinopavir, which was imported since around june in tens of millions pills. With total order some 240mln stretching into next year. 
from august the GPO started to make it in rather small quantities of millions, with total for this year some 60mln. 
They cost some 1500b box of 50. On the black market from 4k per box ( stolen from hospitals). 
charging for them in private hospitals 3x more than on the black market is a daylight robbery. For such i would refuse to take them until i negotiate price to below 2k. 
Because they are only in a small dose 200mg they need to be taken some 10 pills per day. In india they have started to make them 800mg to be used specifically for covid. Its possible to get them on the net

I was given 10 days supply of favinopavir by my local government hospital 12 tablets 2 times a day, as far as I understand it government hospitals do not charge for covid treatment.

 

Edited December 29, 2021 by phuket Mike

[sandyf]

1 hour ago, possum1931 said:

You cannot blame entertainers for becoming rich, there are people with less musical ability than me becoming millionaires.ie The Monkees. ????

 

Not the best example, Mike Nesmith was a millionaire before being a Monkee, his mother invented Tipex.

[internationalism]

As i remember price of japanese imported favino was around 30b per pill. 

Its easy to check it up back when they were allocating emergency budged and for how large stock. Price was low because of the governmental contracts for tens of millions pills at time. With total some 240mln. 
At the very same time india started to make their 800mg (so 4x stronger than those patented in japan) for the same price around $1 per pill. 
 

I think price of the GPO one was never mentioned, just quantities some 6mln per month rising from october to their full production capacity. 
As a generic one that should be cheaper than imported patented one. 
Those at private hospitals for minimum 12k are probably imported one. About 10x of the original price. 
There should not be any taxation on it, because they are solely for covid treatment, so exempted from the very beginning of pandemic. 
private hospitals figured out that insurance will pay any money related to covid treatment. So insurance can save money later on on treating long term covid. 
i would rather being from home my own ivermectin, colchicine, chloroquine and antibiotics than ended up forking up for favino, if my 3 insurance policies won't take this bill

Edited December 29, 2021 by internationalism