ICE vs EV, the debate thread

[vinny41]

12 minutes ago, KhunLA said:

And every ICEV that I owned in TH, recommended 10k kms for oil change.  Maintenance aside (we know which cost more), I stuck with only electric & petrol.

 

You can distract all you want.  As everything else, is in ADDITION to just the fuel.  Kind of supports my side of the discussion.  Feel free to subtract 10-20-30% of maintenance cost ot any number, it's still adds to the 300k.

 

Nobody know what EVs or ICEVs are going to be worth in 8 yrs.  And with a 300k head start, don't think the BEV owner is going to be disappointed.   Gets to drive a better performing vehicle in those 8 yrs.

 

In 8 yrs, nobody may even want ICEVs, except collectors ... 

 

How many countries plan on stopping or restricting the sale of ICEVs in 2030/2035 ?

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[ExpatOilWorker]

Just now, KhunLA said:

go away ... nobody cars what you spew any more.

The fear 😨 of fact and fires 🔥 always lurk in the minds of EV owners.

[JBChiangRai]

9 minutes ago, ExpatOilWorker said:

The fear 😨 of fact and fires 🔥 always lurk in the minds of EV owners.

Nonsense, no, they don’t.

[KhunLA]

13 minutes ago, ExpatOilWorker said:

The fear 😨 of fact and fires 🔥 always lurk in the minds of EV owners.

Only thing that lurks in my mind, is how easy it was to pass that ICEV driving way too slow, and damn, got more money in the back .... again.   No longer have to pop into the petrol station every week for 10 mins or so X 52 weeks.

 

No longer wait for the oil change every 10k kms.  

 

Most important, get to explore locally within 125 away from house, and doesn't cost anything.   Gets me out of the house, a lot.   Get to check out the coffee shop, and it didn't cost more to get there & back than the coffee & Danish.

 

Pop up to Hua Hin for the day, 200+ kms, and it didn't cost 500 baht = free lunch 👍

 

And I didn't have to worry about the increased risk of car fire, since less likely with BEV, especially with LFP chemistry than petrol crap.

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[Yellowtail]

13 minutes ago, KhunLA said:

Apple & oranges, we're talking 700k passenger cars.  Really, 2.8L diesel   And buy in cost ???  

 

Take the extra buy in cost of the 2.8L, install solar at the house, and not only save the 12.8k for the BEV, probably another 40-60k a year off PEA bill.  So now 50-70k X 8 yrs 

 

That's why I kept it simple ... but hey, I like your distraction, get to save more money.

 

 

Apples and oranges indeed. It's always cheaper to drive a sh*t-box. 

 

I think you can get a four-door diesel pickup for 700K 

[KhunLA]

4 minutes ago, Yellowtail said:

Apples and oranges indeed. It's always cheaper to drive a sh*t-box. 

 

I think you can get a four-door diesel pickup for 700K 

2.8L, not so sure about that.   I'm very sure about I would never want one.  Something I would never own, a diesel.  Way before BEVs.  That's just one disgusting & harmful fuel.   Yet to be in any diesel vehicle that I thought wasn't a POS, noisy, vibrates, and smells if nearby when running.

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[vinny41]

15 minutes ago, JBChiangRai said:

Nonsense, no, they don’t.

Clearly the People don't agree with you

[Yellowtail]

9 minutes ago, KhunLA said:

2.8L, not so sure about that.   I'm very sure about I would never want one.  Something I would never own, a diesel.  Way before BEVs.  That's just one disgusting & harmful fuel.   Yet to be in any diesel vehicle that I thought wasn't a POS, noisy, vibrates, and smells if nearby when running.

I said diesel, not 2.8l, try to follow along. 

[Captain Flack]

I have again had to remove an off topic post about fires in South Korea. If you want to debate EV fires go to the link posted previously and stop trying to deflect this thread.

[KhunLA]

2 minutes ago, Yellowtail said:

I said diesel, not 2.8l, try to follow along. 

And what 700k baht family passenger uses diesel ?  

 

Quick google, and apparent none ...

https://www.carwow.co.uk/economical-cars/diesel#gref

[Yellowtail]

7 minutes ago, KhunLA said:

And what 700k baht family passenger uses diesel ?  

 

Quick google, and apparent none ...

https://www.carwow.co.uk/economical-cars/diesel#gref

I said I think you can get a four-door diesel pickup for 700K. 

 

 

[Cameroni]

13 minutes ago, Yellowtail said:

I said I think you can get a four-door diesel pickup for 700K. 

 

 

 

Of course you can. He's clueless. Here's a superb specimen of a Diesel pick up, four doors and from 2021. The wonderful Isuzu.

 

https://www.one2car.com/en/for-sale/isuzu-d-max-s-bangkok-metropolitan-kanchanaphisek/14865352?auc=true

[KhunLA]

12 minutes ago, Yellowtail said:

I said I think you can get a four-door diesel pickup for 700K. 

 

 

Not everyone wants or needs a pick up, especially an inexpensive one.

 

Apples & oranges again ... distraction.

 

Pretty sure the petrol savings will be in the same ballpark +/- 10 or 20%,  250k vs 300k

[KhunLA]

9 minutes ago, Cameroni said:

 

Of course you can. He's clueless. Here's a superb specimen of a Diesel pick up, four doors and from 2021. The wonderful Isuzu.

 

https://www.one2car.com/en/for-sale/isuzu-d-max-s-bangkok-metropolitan-kanchanaphisek/14865352?auc=true

Seriously, a 3 yr old pick up.  Why not show listing for a plane or a boat ?

 

Why do you bother embarrassing yourself.  This is how my post count is so high, as someone pointed out the other day.  Most like the last 10 ish, wasted on BS replies to silliness.

 

EDIT:  check that, 12 added posts on this thread since the so easy to understand original one was posted.  Mind boggling silliness, some extreme.

 

No matter what y'all pick in the 700k range, the BEV will save you 250-300k over 8 years.   If not much more, depending on the price or petrol.

 

Why I don't even bother with these threads any more.

Edited August 31 by KhunLA

[Cameroni]

5 minutes ago, KhunLA said:

Seriously, a 3 yr old pick up.  Why not show listing for a plane or a boat ?

 

Why do you bother embarrassing yourself.

 

No matter what y'all pick in the 700k range, the BEV will save you 250-300k over 8 years.   If not much more, depending on the price or petrol.

 

Why I don't even bother with these threads any more.

 

3 years old, yes from 2021, nothing wrong with that. A plane or boat, lol, I love this guy...

 

Of course a BEV will be cheaper, but for 489,000 Baht you get a REAL car from Isuzu, you know, one which you can actually drive around Thailand without paranoically checking the battery level , lest you be stranded at a petrol station without an electric charger...

 

Plus, you won't feel like you're driving a dead remote.

Edited August 31 by Cameroni

[Yellowtail]

2 minutes ago, KhunLA said:

 

 

Why I don't even bother with these threads any more.

You can get a new Isuzu 4-door diesel for ~750K

[KhunLA]

3 minutes ago, Yellowtail said:

You can get a new Isuzu 4-door diesel for ~750K

Well, I did start the thread.  And you're not far behind 

[josephbloggs]

7 minutes ago, Cameroni said:

Plus, you won't feel like you're driving a dead remote.

No, you'll feel like you're driving a noisy, smelly, nasty farm vehicle.

[atpeace]

On a less serious note -  anybody enjoy camping?  I just realized with an EV I could do it with AC.  Setup a canopy outside the car, and sleep on an air mattress in the car at night in bliss. If I had the MG my bro in-law has with the huge sunroof to star gaze...  lots of sweaty nights camping in Thailand but not with an EV.   

 

This thread is a good read but I think we all know who will be proven correct a few years from now. I'm just waiting to sell the ICE truck and make the switch.  Have excess solar so 95% of my driving will be free!

Edited August 31 by atpeace

[Cameroni]

12 minutes ago, atpeace said:

On a less serious note -  anybody enjoy camping?  I just realized with an EV I could do it with AC.  Setup a canopy outside the car, and sleep on an air mattress in the car at night in bliss. If I had the MG my bro in-law has with the huge sunroof to star gaze...  lots of sweaty nights camping in Thailand but not with an EV.   

 

This thread is a good read but I think we all know who will be proven correct a few years from now. I'm just waiting to sell the ICE truck and make the switch.  Have excess solar so 95% of my driving will be free!

 

The best car for camping is of course the VW Camper Van California.

 

https://www.sanook.com/auto/71649/

 

Avaliable in Diesel, Petrol and soon Hybrid. No Electric version, alas.

[Yellowtail]

5 minutes ago, Cameroni said:

 

The best car for camping is of course the VW Camper Van California.

 

https://www.sanook.com/auto/71649/

 

Avaliable in Diesel, Petrol and soon Hybrid. No Electric version, alas.

[atpeace]

9 minutes ago, Cameroni said:

 

The best car for camping is of course the VW Camper Van California.

 

https://www.sanook.com/auto/71649/

 

Avaliable in Diesel, Petrol and soon Hybrid. No Electric version, alas.

Spent a year travelling N America in a VW camper.  Perfect for that situation but for weekend trips in hot Thailand I would go the EV route.

[Cameroni]

1 hour ago, Yellowtail said:

Looks too big, the advantage of the VW Camper is that you can park in normal spots, it's not too huge.

[Cameroni]

1 hour ago, atpeace said:

Spent a year travelling N America in a VW camper.  Perfect for that situation but for weekend trips in hot Thailand I would go the EV route.

 

Nice, but why? The VW Camper has aircon.

[Cameroni]

1 hour ago, josephbloggs said:

No, you'll feel like you're driving a noisy, smelly, nasty farm vehicle.

 

I've driven a VW Touareg Diesel. It's got about as much in common with a farm vehicle as a 50 year old woman with virginity.

 

A very refined and powerful SUV.

[Fruit Trader]

1 hour ago, atpeace said:

Have excess solar so 95% of my driving will be free!

 

I guess you have achieved ROI on your solar system.

[josephbloggs]

31 minutes ago, Cameroni said:

 

I've driven a VW Touareg Diesel. It's got about as much in common with a farm vehicle as a 50 year old woman with virginity.

 

A very refined and powerful SUV.

Sorry weren't we discussing 700k THB three year old diesel trucks? Yet you have now brought in a $90-125k "luxury" SUV. Shifting the goalposts much?

Honestly, what has the Touareg got to do with what we were talking about? Absolutely nothing. 

[josephbloggs]

40 minutes ago, Cameroni said:

 

Nice, but why? The VW Camper has aircon.

You want to leave your engine running all night just so you can have aircon? Seriously??

[KhunLA]

1 hour ago, Fruit Trader said:

 

I guess you have achieved ROI on your solar system.

 

Reading comprehension, or are you simply ignoring the obvious he already stated ?

 

2 hours ago, atpeace said:

  Have excess solar so 95% of my driving will be free!

Like myself and many others that have solar.   The system is enough, hopefully for the house.  Mine is barely enough, and only because we are conservative with electric use after sunset.  Actually could use another 5kWh inverter and 10 more kWh of ESS, to really be enough.

 

But during the day, more than enough excess to keep the EVs charged up.  Which makes ROI even faster.   Not that ROI is important to myself, I just prefer the independence, and the saving is just a really nice plus.

 

Our solar system would cost exactly the same, whether having EVs or not.  Something that goes way over the anti EV/CH/Solar folks.   Spew the same old false narrative.   Tiring actually.

Edited August 31 by KhunLA

[KhunLA]

2 hours ago, atpeace said:

Spent a year travelling N America in a VW camper.  Perfect for that situation but for weekend trips in hot Thailand I would go the EV route.

 

@ 2:30 of the vid

 

 

24 hour camping  ... 

 

 

Edited August 31 by KhunLA