Swedish man reportedly attacked by two Thai men on Pattaya Beach for no reason

[Liverpool Lou]

5 hours ago, Jack West Jr said:

There is a lot of finger pointing and surmising being done here as to what actually happened. Why don't we focus on the alleged facts rather than hypothesise ? 

Because that's what Thaivisa posters are here for, surely, hypothesising, speculating and just plain making stuff up for a good ol' Thai-bash?  Current company excepted, of course!

[Liverpool Lou]

5 hours ago, richard_smith237 said:

In this case the attack maybe racially motivated...

As there was no suggestion of that, whatsoever, the attack may not have been racially motivated.  

[richard_smith237]

Just now, Liverpool Lou said:

5 hours ago, richard_smith237 said:

In this case the attack maybe racially motivated...

As there was no suggestion of that, whatsoever, the attack may not have been racially motivated.  

erm.. so it may or may not have been....   excellent input !!!! ????

[richard_smith237]

8 minutes ago, Liverpool Lou said:

Because that's what Thaivisa posters are here for, surely, hypothesising, speculating and just plain making stuff up for a good ol' Thai-bash?  Current company excepted, of course!

Are you suggesting that two guys who attacked another person did so deservedly and are not deserving of negative comments ????

[pixelaoffy]

1 hour ago, Eric Loh said:

It's wrong when you disregard cultural etiquette in country not your own. Victim may have brought this on himself with his western behavior. 

Ah you gotta love speculation and presumed innocence of the thugs

[Liverpool Lou]

5 hours ago, richard_smith237 said:

Wow - hyperbolae !!!!.... 

 

Drunk ?

 

Uneducated ??

 

Bothering the freelancers ???

 

BTW: he’s not slouching in his chair, he’s getting something out of his handbag.

Don't forget your own hyperbole...

"Was there a trigger ?

or is mindless violence on the increase ?

or are racially motivated attacks on the increase ? etc...

lots of possibilities... all worthy of discussion".

 

Yes, lot's of hyperbolic possibilities, none worthy of discussion here in relation to the OP if trying to apportion blame without evidence!

[richard_smith237]

1 hour ago, pixelaoffy said:

No it's not . But shows what happens .. and you approve it as I recall 

I’ve never approved of violence. But understand that ‘some’ have it coming when they can’t behave sensibly and trigger others.

 

In this case, IF the story is correct and factual, this was an unprovoked attack. Anyone approving of such would be as foolish as someone refusing to put on their mask in a public area. 

 

 

 

[pixelaoffy]

13 minutes ago, Liverpool Lou said:

Because that's what Thaivisa posters are here for, surely, hypothesising, speculating and just plain making stuff up for a good ol' Thai-bash?  Current company excepted, of course!

Ah the familiar Scouser Thai apologist

[Liverpool Lou]

5 hours ago, bbko said:

5 hours ago, Jack West Jr said:

Why don't we focus on the alleged facts rather than hypothesise ? 

Just because he said something and it was printed, that doesn't make it fact.

It does make it an alleged fact, which is what that poster actually said!

[Liverpool Lou]

5 hours ago, ChrisY1 said:

7 hours ago, shdmn said:

There is ALWAYS a reason and it usually involves the farang doing something stupid or being an ahole.  

Rubbish! Random attacks happen all the time!

A verifiable example of that would be nice.

[Liverpool Lou]

5 hours ago, DjSilver said:

This is what I'm talking about; racism against white foreigners in Thailand. 

What was the "racist" element that you're talking about, specifically?   

[Liverpool Lou]

5 hours ago, fulhamster said:

Especially 2 hours after the booze curfew

There is no curfew on the consumption of alcohol.  Anyone can drink alcohol at any time.

[richard_smith237]

3 minutes ago, Liverpool Lou said:

5 hours ago, richard_smith237 said:

Wow - hyperbolae !!!!.... 

 

Drunk ?

 

Uneducated ??

 

Bothering the freelancers ???

 

BTW: he’s not slouching in his chair, he’s getting something out of his handbag.

Don't forget your own hyperbole...

"Was there a trigger ?

or is mindless violence on the increase ?

or are racially motivated attacks on the increase ? etc...

lots of possibilities... all worthy of discussion".

 

Yes, lot's of hyperbolic possibilities, none worthy of discussion here in relation to the OP if trying to apportion blame without evidence!

You missed the context....

 

The other poster made accusations that the Swedish guy was drunk, that he was an uneducated farang, that he was bothering the freelancers etc

 

That is somewhat different to discussion the possibilities of what ‘may have happened’.... i.e. Did the Swedish guy trigger the confrontation in any way, was the attack racially motivated, was the story as we read it or is there more to it.... ?

 

 

Points for discussion.... the difference is not subtle even for someone who wishes to pick arguments as often as you do. 

 

 

 

 

[Almer]

3 hours ago, Pique Dard said:

i'm not a swede, but i do speak the language. can you be more specific?

Drink and Swedes don’t fair well , again in my experience of living and working there

[richard_smith237]

6 minutes ago, Liverpool Lou said:

5 hours ago, ChrisY1 said:

7 hours ago, shdmn said:

There is ALWAYS a reason and it usually involves the farang doing something stupid or being an ahole.  

Rubbish! Random attacks happen all the time!

A verifiable example of that would be nice.

Are you going to ask for link ??? peer reviewed paper ?

 

Even someone as obtuse as yourself cannot fail to recognise that ‘random acts of violence’ happen.... 

 

 

[Liverpool Lou]

1 minute ago, richard_smith237 said:

Points for discussion.... the difference is not subtle even for someone who wishes to pick arguments as often as you do. 

It's a 'kin forum!  Anyone can make comments but it's odd how so many posters love to define differing opinions as "picking an argument" when their contrasting opinions are just "discussion"!

[ChrisKC]

3 hours ago, Harsh Jones said:

Yes indeed. It says your post was "popular" but most ppl gave you the rolled eyes emoji. I guess they believe Mr. Innocent

Yes, there IS always a reason for everything but often we never get to know. In the case here in question only two parties know the reason and both would probably lie or misrepresent the facts about each other. Something to be filed away!

[richard_smith237]

47 minutes ago, Liverpool Lou said:

Wasn't the consumption of alcohol on beaches made illegal some time ago?   Perhaps that could have been the start of the altercation.

If that were the case its possible that the Thai guys saw the Swede drinking on the beach, no mask and figured they would police the situation....  

 

I don’t think its illegal any more, but was at some point recently. Would the Thai guys even be up to date with any regulation changes ?

 

How many Thai’s doing the same thing did they pass before they came across the Swede sat on his own ?

 

 

 

 

 

[Liverpool Lou]

3 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

10 minutes ago, Liverpool Lou said:

5 hours ago, ChrisY1 said:

8 hours ago, shdmn said:

There is ALWAYS a reason and it usually involves the farang doing something stupid or being an ahole.  

Rubbish! Random attacks happen all the time!

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A verifiable example of that would be nice.

Are you going to ask for link ??? peer reviewed paper ?

 

Even someone as obtuse as yourself cannot fail to recognise that ‘random acts of violence’ happen.... 

No, I'm not going to ask for a link because I know that he won't be able to provide anything relevant to his assertion. 

 

He said that "random acts of violence happen all the time", even someone as obtuse as yourself, in this case, cannot fail to recognise the they do not "happen all the time"!

[richard_smith237]

1 minute ago, Liverpool Lou said:

No, I'm not going to ask for a link because I know that he won't be able to provide anything relevant to his assertion. 

 

He said that "random acts of violence happen all the time", even someone as obtuse as yourself, in this case, cannot fail to recognise the they do not "happen all the time"!

Are you going to start arguing the semantics of ‘all the time’ vs ‘common occurrence’....

 

I think it would be a fair comment to suggest that ‘random indiscriminate violence is not an uncommon occurrence’.....   

 

& no... I’m not going to post a link, quote a source or back that up with a government statistic... 

 

 

 

 

[Liverpool Lou]

1 minute ago, richard_smith237 said:

48 minutes ago, Liverpool Lou said:

Wasn't the consumption of alcohol on beaches made illegal some time ago?   Perhaps that could have been the start of the altercation.

I don’t think its illegal any more,

I believe it still is, but not in relation to Covid restrictions. I believe it was banned (before Covid issues) on beaches, generally, maybe at the same time that smoking on beaches was prohibited.

[richard_smith237]

Just now, Liverpool Lou said:

I believe it still is, but not in relation to Covid restrictions. I believe it was banned (before Covid issues) on beaches, generally, maybe at the same time that smoking on beaches was prohibited.

Would he [the Swede] have been the only person on the beach having a beer?

 

Or, at the same time would there have been numerous others on the beach at the same time, sitting in groups having a few drinks and chilling out ? (Thai’s and non-Thai’s).

 

Someone who lives in Pattaya and knows what the beach is like at night can provide a better answer to that - however, from other threads this year I’ve read that there are often plenty of people on the beach sat in groups having a beer.

 

 

Do we really believe this ‘confrontation’ (whatever happened or if it was trigged) occurred out of some legal justification against a guy having beer on a beach ????

 

 

 

 

 

[CharlieH]

Acouple of posts removed.

Continue in that vein and the ability to post may be removed !

[Liverpool Lou]

4 hours ago, Caldera said:

I'm not sure if it's wise to admit to drinking beer on the beach (which is illegal)

Exactly.

[Liverpool Lou]

3 hours ago, Mr Meeseeks said:

Could be the Thais being on drugs or drunk, having no money, just being belligerent etc. 

 

Seen many unprovoked incidents in my 31 years here. 

Objection, your Honour, hearsay!

 

Sustained.

[Liverpool Lou]

3 hours ago, Mr Meeseeks said:

5 hours ago, Nkpjed said:

Unprovoked attacks occur everywhere, but regardless whether that’s true or not, this guy is an idiot to sit alone drinking on the beach at 11pm.

Why? It's a tourist resort and the beach is a nice place to sit and chill of an evening.

It's also illegal to drink alcohol on beaches.

[Liverpool Lou]

3 hours ago, Mr Meeseeks said:

3 hours ago, Monkeyrobot said:

Are you allowed to drink beer on a public beach that time of night ..?.

Yes.

No, it is not permitted at any time.

[Liverpool Lou]

3 hours ago, bbko said:

Some here are saying it's illegal but they're wrong, there is no restrictions on drinking alcohol outside alone in Pattaya no matter what time of day or night.

Drinking alcohol on beaches in Thailand was outlawed some time ago (maybe at the same time as smoking on beaches).   This is not in relation to Covid restrictions.

[Liverpool Lou]

3 hours ago, Mr Meeseeks said:

3 hours ago, bbko said:

Some here are saying it's illegal but they're wrong, there is no restrictions on drinking alcohol outside alone in Pattaya no matter what time of day or night.

Correct.

Incorrect when beaches are concerned.

[TropicalGuy]

6 hours ago, hotchilli said:

Being alone drinking beer on a beach at around 11pm isn't the smartest move.

“Fat,drunk & stupid is no way to go through life, son” Animal House film.????????