Property Taxes Will Be Billed in Feb., Must Be Paid by April

[Banana7]

Attached is letter from Pattaya property tax collector stating they will be sending residential property tax bills in February and payment is due in April. If you don't get one, your taxes will still be due in April. In past years, the tax payment office in Pattaya city hall is usually very very busy, with long lines in March and April .

 

If you are a foreigner and want to avoid property taxes on your condo, which is worth less than 10,000,000 baht (as determined by the land office), get a yellow house book. The owner must be registered in the house book before January 1 of the tax year, to avoid property taxes. Thai owners should be registered in the blue house book. Also inform the tax department of your registration in the house book to avoid issues.

[kinyara]

A couple of hundred baht for a few million baht condo with a blue book paid across the counter at any Krung Thai Bank with the bill.  What's the big deal ?

[scubascuba3]

5 hours ago, kinyara said:

A couple of hundred baht for a few million baht condo with a blue book paid across the counter at any Krung Thai Bank with the bill.  What's the big deal ?

Now it has a 90% discount, ends next time i think, it will predictably start increasing

[Henryford]

It's not a problem now but will increase big time over the years. Councils in the UK and USA see property taxes as the golden goose with unlimited revenues.

[Leaver]

11 hours ago, scubascuba3 said:

Now it has a 90% discount, ends next time i think, it will predictably start increasing

 

An old tactic.  Offer it cheap, or announce an amnesty, everyone signs up, they catch them in their net, and then up goes the taxes, year on year.  

[skatewash]

Thank you Banana7 for the explanation.  It was very helpful.  I shall be visiting my property tax office in February after receiving the letter to apply for the exemption with my yellow book.

[topt]

18 hours ago, Banana7 said:

Attached is letter from Pattaya property tax collector stating they will be sending residential property tax bills in February and payment is due in April.

Do you know why you have a tick in the first box but no others?

I received this and went along and basically was told this was just for information and I had nothing to pay. However that was after they checked on the system. So I am curious what is the difference with the other underlined para headers?

[CartagenaWarlock]

11 hours ago, Henryford said:

It's not a problem now but will increase big time over the years. Councils in the UK and USA see property taxes as the golden goose with unlimited revenues.

USA does not have councils. County charges property taxes. They can't arbitrarily increase it. States have laws capping property taxes. Yes they can increase but not substantially. I think in the USA we already pay lots of property taxes. 

[Jen65]

does this apply to a company owned house - or do the taxes paid by the company cover this ? 

[wpcoe]

Is there a way to view and, more importantly, to pay the tax online for those of us overseas?

[Jingthing]

What's the penalty for ignoring the bill?

Without going into.details I can't pay by barcode and I don't want to visit a crowded government office anytime soon.

If you do go in other than bills what exact documents do you need to bring?

I have no yellow book and won"t be getting one.

[scubascuba3]

8 hours ago, Jen65 said:

does this apply to a company owned house - or do the taxes paid by the company cover this ? 

Pretty sure it does, my condo was previously owned by a thai company and received a bill

[Banana7]

On 1/21/2022 at 6:32 PM, topt said:

Do you know why you have a tick in the first box but no others?

I received this and went along and basically was told this was just for information and I had nothing to pay. However that was after they checked on the system. So I am curious what is the difference with the other underlined para headers?

The first box tick indicates the letter is for property that is used as "residential". Other boxes are for things like "farm land", "vacant", "commercial", etc. Different property uses attract different tax rates and payment schedules.

 

Yes, you are right, the letter is just for information, no payment required until the bill is received. It is advanced notice of their planned process for collecting tax. I just posted it here in case you own property in Pattaya and didn't get this advanced notice, to help members plan future expenditures. Nobody likes to get an unexpected bill.

[topt]

21 hours ago, Jingthing said:

and I don't want to visit a crowded government office anytime soon.

When I went 2 weeks go it was almost empty - Municipal offices on Nua, 2nd Floor.

[Banana7]

21 hours ago, Jingthing said:

What's the penalty for ignoring the bill?

Without going into.details I can't pay by barcode and I don't want to visit a crowded government office anytime soon.

If you do go in other than bills what exact documents do you need to bring?

I have no yellow book and won"t be getting one.

Here are the penalties as I understand:

The local government organization will send a written warning to the taxpayer that has unpaid tax within the month of May which the taxpayer is required to pay the overdue tax together with the penalty payment and surcharge.

If the taxpayer has failed to pay the tax within the specified period, the taxpayer is liable to make penalty payment of 40% of the overdue tax.

In the case that the taxpayer has paid tax before receiving the written warning, the taxpayer is liable to a penalty payment of 10% of the overdue tax.

When the taxpayer has failed to within the specified period but has paid within the time specified in the written warning, the taxpayer is liable to a penalty payment of 20% of the overdue tax.

Taxpayers who have failed to pay the tax within the specified period are also liable to pay a surcharge of 1% per month of tax. A fraction of a month is counted as a whole month.

[topt]

7 minutes ago, Banana7 said:

Nobody likes to get an unexpected bill.

Agreed although this one should not be unexpected after all the articles and threads about land/house tax last couple of years.

What was unexpected when I came back was a bill for waste water - backdated for 8 years as well.......

I don't really understand as I have been here longer than that and don't remember ever seeing the bill before..........

 

[Banana7]

22 hours ago, wpcoe said:

Is there a way to view and, more importantly, to pay the tax online for those of us overseas?

At this time, I don't know the answer. There is a LINE ID in the letter for the Pattaya tax office. I recommend phoning those phone numbers listed in the letter. Where and how to pay, it's best to ask the tax office.

[Banana7]

My understanding is the maximum tax rates for land and buildings are: Agricultural use 0.15%, Residential use 0.3%, Other (like commercial) use 1.2%, Empty or unused 1.2%. The percent is of the land office valuation.

 

If the land or building is left empty or unused for a period of more than three consecutive years, it will be subject to an additional rate of 0.3% every three years, but the amount will not exceed 3%.

 

All subject to change!

[huyuli]

Last  year I paid by using my bank app to read the QR code on the bill. I hope that it will be the same this year.

[scubascuba3]

9 hours ago, topt said:

When I went 2 weeks go it was almost empty - Municipal offices on Nua, 2nd Floor.

Pattaya City Hall, 2nd floor? had covid there recently yellow book area closed

[scubascuba3]

8 hours ago, Banana7 said:

At this time, I don't know the answer. There is a LINE ID in the letter for the Pattaya tax office. I recommend phoning those phone numbers listed in the letter. Where and how to pay, it's best to ask the tax office.

they are responsive if you add the Line ID. It's the Revenue department

[chrissables]

On 1/21/2022 at 9:30 PM, Jen65 said:

does this apply to a company owned house - or do the taxes paid by the company cover this ? 

I recently had a visit from Pattaya City Hall and was given a bill for nearly 50K. They back dated it, but not for the full time i have been here.

7,500 a year tax.

[TacoKhun]

On 1/21/2022 at 10:30 PM, Jingthing said:

What's the penalty for ignoring the bill?

Without going into.details I can't pay by barcode and I don't want to visit a crowded government office anytime soon.

If you do go in other than bills what exact documents do you need to bring?

I have no yellow book and won"t be getting one.

I paid mine in Krungthep bank last year, the one that on central road like 100 meters from the beach. I was like single customer there.

[scubascuba3]

3 hours ago, chrissables said:

I recently had a visit from Pattaya City Hall and was given a bill for nearly 50K. They back dated it, but not for the full time i have been here.

7,500 a year tax.

they went back all those years for the same thai company?

[aussiexpat]

I've been away for over 2 years and have about 10 letters in Thai with valuation numbers and fees so I assume this is what it's  about.

 

Can't understand any of it. Is there an agent in Pattaya who can sort it out? 

 

Never had this bill for 10 years prior to my covid isolation?

 

[scubascuba3]

7 hours ago, aussiexpat said:

I've been away for over 2 years and have about 10 letters in Thai with valuation numbers and fees so I assume this is what it's  about.

 

Can't understand any of it. Is there an agent in Pattaya who can sort it out? 

 

Never had this bill for 10 years prior to my covid isolation?

 

If you use Google Lens app you can translate them, also can ask your condo office

[chrissables]

10 hours ago, scubascuba3 said:

they went back all those years for the same thai company?

Yes, but as i had the house for 16 years i did not moan too much.

[chrissables]

On 1/23/2022 at 8:59 PM, aussiexpat said:

I've been away for over 2 years and have about 10 letters in Thai with valuation numbers and fees so I assume this is what it's  about.

 

Can't understand any of it. Is there an agent in Pattaya who can sort it out? 

 

Never had this bill for 10 years prior to my covid isolation?

 

Just go to the town hall north Pattaya they sort it out.

[Guderian]

On 1/21/2022 at 10:30 PM, Jingthing said:

What's the penalty for ignoring the bill?

Without going into.details I can't pay by barcode and I don't want to visit a crowded government office anytime soon.

If you do go in other than bills what exact documents do you need to bring?

I have no yellow book and won"t be getting one.

A few years ago when I first received the property tax bill, for 7,500 Baht/year backdated 10 years, they were demanding a bit over 70,000 Baht in total. With my lawyer's agreement (Magna Carta). I ignored the bill but around 6 months later I received a very nasty looking letter, lots of red ink if you know what I mean. I took it to the lawyer's office and he said they were threatening to go to court and get an order to auction off my house if I didn't pay up. Again with the lawyer's agreement, I paid up, lol!

 

YMMV. Since then, I've heard people say that they aren't charging 10 years of back-tax any more, so just as with Immigration it seems they make up the rules to suit themselves as they go along. You could always pay an agent or Thai friend to do it for you. I send the GF to City Hall every year to pay mine, but now the bank option is available I'll try that (and send her when it doesn't work, lol).

[jacko45k]

12 hours ago, Guderian said:

A few years ago when I first received the property tax bill, for 7,500 Baht/year backdated 10 years, they were demanding a bit over 70,000 Baht in total.

Rather suspect advice you seem to have got there, did they justify it?