Speeding Fine M7 Chonburi

[keithsimmonds]

Just now, keithsimmonds said:

 

1 minute ago, keithsimmonds said:

As you can see no-one in that picture is doing more than 30kms per hour thousands are going to get the ticket i got hence the fact it took nearly 7 weeks......"Harry Enfield...  Loads of Money"

[Rhys]

Just pay it, there always seems to be accuracy issue when money is requested.  555

 

 

 

[worgeordie]

One thing for sure ,the Authorities don't forget about speeding

tickets if you don't pay them, I keep getting letters requesting

payment , that previous tenants did not pay, from 6 years ,3

years ago , I write on  return to sender, with Mr xxxxxxxxx,

has returned to USA several years ago ,check with immigration,

but they still keep sending them,.

regards Worgeordie

Edited March 18, 2022 by worgeordie
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[richard_smith237]

15 minutes ago, worgeordie said:

One thing for sure ,the Authorities don't forget about speeding

tickets if you don't pay them, I keep getting letters requesting

payment , that previous tenants did not pay, from 6 years ,3

years ago , I write on  return to sender, with Mr xxxxxxxxx,

has returned to USA several years ago ,check with immigration,

but they still keep sending them,.

regards Worgeordie

We (Wife) has had a ‘couple of warnings’... more firmly worded letters threatening legal action. 

But, they keep going to her parents address, so we ignore them. 

 

If it gets serious the simple response is... “Oh, sorry, we didn’t know”...  and then pay.

 

This is a game enforced by juvenile minds and can be played in a juvenile manner. 

 

When Thailand takes its road safety seriously, I’ll take the silly little fines seriously. But while I see those tasked with enforcing laws enabling extremely dangerous and stupid behaviour on the roads through their laziness and inaction I’ll continue to pay no attention to anything else other than being extremely careful of those around me on the roads and ensuring I am no threat to anyone else - If that means driving with the flow of traffic and doing 130kmh in a 120 kmh limit on the expressway, then so be it. 

 

If that means crossing a fixed white line instead of having to slow right down or almost stop and presenting myself as a hazard to others who are also forced to stop and slow, then so be it. 

 

If that is going to be judged with an inflexible degree of sanctimony from those of such a small mind they are incapable of discretion, then so be it...  I know what those folk can go and do !!! ????

 

 

[Ralf001]

1 hour ago, keithsimmonds said:

And ?

[josephbloggs]

1 hour ago, richard_smith237 said:

Strangely enough... the fines always end up at my In-Laws address (in Bangkok) and they bring them round...  My Wife and I are both registered at our currently address (Tabien Baan etc) and my Wife’s ID, driving licence etc... all registered to our address... but for some strange reason the fine is send to her parents !!! (we can’t work that one out). 

Mine always come to my work, even though the car is registered at my home address and the work permit I supplied when I bought it is a digital work permit which doesn't include a company address.  No idea either why or how that happens.

[Martinpeter]

2 hours ago, keithsimmonds said:

 

As you can see no-one in that picture is doing more than 30kms per hour thousands are going to get the ticket i got hence the fact it took nearly 7 weeks......"Harry Enfield...  Loads of Money"

The tickets not for speeding! It's for driving on hatched white lines! Affence! I had one exciatley the same! In my area!

 

Just pay it, move on

[KannikaP]

2 hours ago, richard_smith237 said:

You'll do better next time... 

 

My Wife and I have about 20 similar such speeding fines between us over the past couple of years.. 

We’ve never paid any of them - I don’t know anyone (in person) who does pay their speeding fines... there is never any follow up. 

Except when you come to register your car next time.

[Thunglom]

6 hours ago, richard_smith237 said:

Yup... that fine is utterly ridiculous... 

 

That said, given the tone of some of the more pathetic posters on this thread...  you will be accused of being a disgrace, why do you believe you are above the law?... you are putting everyone else’s life at risk....  yadda yadda yadda... 

 

 

Only place for such a ridiculous fine is in the bin - ignore it. 

 

 

speeding is responsible for over 30% of all fatal accidents - about the same as drunk driving. 

[Golden Triangle]

On 1/24/2022 at 4:35 PM, thierryviteau said:

10 years, more than 50 fines for speeding, never paid, can renew tax every year without paying, people who tell you that it's not possible are either liars, idiots, or both.

 

 

My my aren't you clever, so glad you feel proud of that achievement, been here same number of years as you, never had a speeding ticket, parking ticket or any ticket for that  matter, you are pretty sad really.

[bangkokstick]

20 hours ago, richard_smith237 said:

Yup... that fine is utterly ridiculous... 

 

That said, given the tone of some of the more pathetic posters on this thread...  you will be accused of being a disgrace, why do you believe you are above the law?... you are putting everyone else’s life at risk....  yadda yadda yadda... 

 

 

Only place for such a ridiculous fine is in the bin - ignore it. 

 

 

 

 

I am above the law because I can pay the law, and compared to the idiots drivers here, even if I drive past and fuxx the rules, I am still 100% safer than locals and retarded old men who think they can drive when they are so old...

20 years, speeding all the time, never had an accident, and it's not just chance, it's called having a brain.

 

 

[bangkokstick]

13 hours ago, Golden Triangle said:

My my aren't you clever, so glad you feel proud of that achievement, been here same number of years as you, never had a speeding ticket, parking ticket or any ticket for that  matter, you are pretty sad really.

 

 

So long time without any offence ? Buy a pennys maybe...

 

 

[richard_smith237]

15 hours ago, Thunglom said:

speeding is responsible for over 30% of all fatal accidents - about the same as drunk driving. 

1 kmh over the speed limit is technically speeding... so your 30% stat is missing context. 

 

The Op was doing 129 kmh on an expressway with a 120 kmh limit...  technically speeding, but dangerous behaviour ?

[Thunglom]

33 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

1 kmh over the speed limit is technically speeding... so your 30% stat is missing context. 

 

The Op was doing 129 kmh on an expressway with a 120 kmh limit...  technically speeding, but dangerous behaviour ?

No that is the context - speed is a major factor is how serious  a collision or crash maybe. How th e MAXIMUM safe speed is arrived at is another matter - Thailand's traffic engineers are not the most competent. People don't seem to understand the effect eve small amounts of speeding over the limit has on coming to a halt or even slowing down.

BTW - expressway limit is 80 kph, most roads are 90 and motorways and some highways are now 120.

The difference in stopping distances (or coming to rest) even at 1 kph over that speed is several feet, which can of course include another vehicle or vulnerable road user.

E.g

at 120 kph the best stopping distance is 96 meters in the dry

at 130 kph - the stopping distance is 122 meters in the dry.

that means a car travelling at (nearly) 130 will travel an extra 26 meters (85 feet) - that's a huge amount of extra stopping distance just from 10 kph.

Edited March 19, 2022 by Thunglom

[Thunglom]

45 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

1 kmh over the speed limit is technically speeding... so your 30% stat is missing context. 

 

The Op was doing 129 kmh on an expressway with a 120 kmh limit...  technically speeding, but dangerous behaviour ?

the same applies to alcohol related accidents too.

[Thunglom]

5 hours ago, bangkokstick said:

I am above the law because I can pay the law, and compared to the idiots drivers here, even if I drive past and fuxx the rules, I am still 100% safer than locals and retarded old men who think they can drive when they are so old...

20 years, speeding all the time, never had an accident, and it's not just chance, it's called having a brain.

Astounding! Famous last words!

[Thunglom]

A lot of post on this thread show how ill-informed foreigners are about road safety and driving Thailand. 

There are no stats readily available but these comments would suggest that many foreigners who are quite happy to criticise other motorists in Thailand are in reality more of a danger to themselves and others.

[DavisH]

8 hours ago, bangkokstick said:

 

 

I am above the law because I can pay the law, and compared to the idiots drivers here, even if I drive past and fuxx the rules, I am still 100% safer than locals and retarded old men who think they can drive when they are so old...

20 years, speeding all the time, never had an accident, and it's not just chance, it's called having a brain.

 

 

You brain may be for all to see when its splattered all over the highway. I'll stop to look at your corpse....of course. 

[thierryviteau]

On 3/19/2022 at 6:38 PM, Thunglom said:

A lot of post on this thread show how ill-informed foreigners are about road safety and driving Thailand. 

There are no stats readily available but these comments would suggest that many foreigners who are quite happy to criticise other motorists in Thailand are in reality more of a danger to themselves and others.

 

 

I do not criticise them, they are too far behind and I hardly see them whenever I drive !

and you know what ? so many years speeding here and not even 1 accident. I guess that not many here could tell the same story...

 

 

 

[Thunglom]

3 hours ago, thierryviteau said:

 

 

I do not criticise them, they are too far behind and I hardly see them whenever I drive !

and you know what ? so many years speeding here and not even 1 accident. I guess that not many here could tell the same story...

 

 

 

“I’m a superb driver!” – illusory superiority and cognitive biases.

If you ask someone to rate their driving skills on a one to 10 scale, there’s a good chance they’ll give themselves an above-average rating like a 7

 

I think you need to understand the real cause of human error - the cause of 93% of all accidents. It's nothing to do with "bad driving" - 

The scary thing is that almost all of us vastly overestimate our skills at driving. 80% of men think of themselves as above-average drivers and yet over 90% of traffic accidents are caused by human error.

Hazard perception

Most road users have a bias towards noticing major aberrant behaviour in other motorists whilst minimising the small human errors they make – when in reality it is these that are responsible for most crashes.

 

What really is "human error"?

 

Over 90% of crashes involve “human error” – this is NOT stupidity on behalf of the driver – it is both common to all of us and inevitable It can’t be stopped on it’s own; usually very small occurrences that any driver can make including yourself. This is unavoidable, it will always happen.

......and of course people's perception of their own driving abilities.

It has been shown that human error falls largely into one of three principle categories. 

 

First is a perceptual error. Critical information that is below the threshold for seeing - the light was too dim, the driver was blinded by the glare, or the pedestrian's clothes had low contrast. In other cases, the driver made a perceptual misjudgement (a curve's radius or another car's speed or distance). Or in Thailand, just tinted windows!

 

Second and far more common cause is that the critical information was detectable but that the driver failed to attend/notice because his mental resources were focussed elsewhere. Often times, a driver will claim that s/he did not "see" a plainly visible pedestrian or car. This is entirely possible because much of our information processing occurs outside of awareness. - (Mack and Rock, 1998)

 

Third, the driver may correctly process the information but fail to choose the correct response ("I'm skidding, so I'll turn away from the skid") or make the correct decision yet fail to carry it out ("I meant to hit the brake, but I hit the gas"). 

 

Thailand has had a lot of advice from road safety organisations both home and abroad, but somehow this advice does not get through and is overruled by the archaic “we know best” prejudices of successive ill-informed governments and they fail to understand the basic concept of “human error” as opposed to “blame”.

 

[1] (Mack and Rock (1998) have shown that we can be less likely to perceive an object if we are looking directly at it than if it falls outside the centre of the visual field. This "inattentional blindness" phenomenon is certainly the cause of many RTIs)

 

 

Because there is no standard definition for “good driving,” people tend to use their own unique, individual definitions. So, a slow and cautious driver could have a totally different definition of “good driving” than someone who likes to drive fast and aggressively.

 

illusory superiority is a condition of cognitive bias wherein a person overestimates their own qualities and abilities, in relation to the same qualities and abilities of other people.

[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Illusory_superiority]

The phenomenon is also known as the above-average effect, the superiority bias, the leniency error, the sense of relative superiority, the primus inter pares effect, the Dunning-Kruger effect, and the Lake Wobegon effect, named after the fictional town where all the children are above average.

[Thunglom]

3 hours ago, thierryviteau said:

I hardly see them

you know the most common thing people say after a collision?

"I just didn't see them"

[bangkokstick]

Are camera on Bangkok Pattaya still working ? I have been speeding even more and still no ticket (that I won't pay anyway just like the 20 last years tickets!)

[Thunglom]

stopping distances

Stopping distance including reaction times at 120 kph = 107 metres

Stopping distance including reaction times at 130 kph = 124 metres

= 17 metres = 55 feet further down the road.

= about 5 parked cars or 28 average steps - that's a lot of extra crumpled metal (and people)on a real road.

Edited April 28, 2022 by Thunglom

[Thunglom]

On 3/23/2022 at 3:05 PM, thierryviteau said:

so many years speeding here and not even 1 accident. I guess that not many here could tell the same story...

this applies to almost al drivers in Thailand. The 20,000 who actually die = 0.3% of the population

[Mr Meeseeks]

I rarely speed on the M7 these days unless I get some idiot tailgaiting then I get rid of them at the first opportunity.

 

Normally I am driving at the speed of the flow of the traffic if it is busy or at 120kph on the cruise control so no danger of a speeding fine. 

[Ralf001]

On 4/28/2022 at 1:05 PM, bangkokstick said:

Are camera on Bangkok Pattaya still working ? I have been speeding even more and still no ticket (that I won't pay anyway just like the 20 last years tickets!)

The 7 motorway ?

 

Yes those cameras are still active, 6 speeding fines  in the mailbox today.

[Mr Meeseeks]

23 minutes ago, Ralf001 said:

The 7 motorway ?

 

Yes those cameras are still active, 6 speeding fines  in the mailbox today.

Just slow down through the overhead gantries with the big screens and the two cantilevers at the trucking weigh stations. The screens that show your speed for each lane don't actually have cameras. 

 

There's also a sneaky bunch of cameras located on the first pedestrian footbridge on the way into Bangkok from Pattaya. 

 

You're welcome. 

[Ralf001]

4 hours ago, Mr Meeseeks said:

Just slow down through the overhead gantries with the big screens and the two cantilevers at the trucking weigh stations. The screens that show your speed for each lane don't actually have cameras. 

 

There's also a sneaky bunch of cameras located on the first pedestrian footbridge on the way into Bangkok from Pattaya. 

 

You're welcome. 

Nah its all good.

 

Fines go straight in the bin.

[vidgra]

Less than 10 cameras from BKK to Pattaya and they are all on Waze.

I wonder why even talking about something that is so easy to avoid ?

Speed as much as you want and slow down when waze informs you !

 

[vidgra]

On 3/18/2022 at 6:17 PM, KannikaP said:

Except when you come to register your car next time.

no problem, years after years I am still waiting that they ask me to pay any fine...