Provincial governors in Thailand told to prepare plans for COVID-19 surge

[stephenterry]

24 minutes ago, BusyB said:

In no way is it 'better immunity than vaccines' Utter rubbish. Stop spouting it.

You really need to get up to date.  Try Googling it. But it's not your fault because no peer reviewed scientific studies were made until recently - try the Lancet first - and as far as Big Pharma were concerned they did not disclose any of theirs because they were making money out of vaxxes instead.  

 

Common sense should have told you that a person exposed to all components of the infectious disease and recovered from it should be far better protected that those who had only the protein spike protection. As a rule of thumb it's a very close statistical choice, but both routes way ahead of those non-vaxxed.  

[connda]

45 minutes ago, BusyB said:

n no way is it 'better immunity than vaccines' Utter rubbish. Stop spouting it.

Can you attribute your statement to a published, scientific study that backs your assertion?
No, not CNN told me..
No, not "my doctor told me." 
No, not I read it in the Atlantic.

Can you provide a link to a study published in a well known scientific or medical journal which conclusively proves via statistical significance that 'vaccine immunity is better than natural immunity.'

Just link one study from a major journal like The Lancet published in the last 6 months supporting 'vaccine immunity is better than natural immunity.'
<insert link here>  ????

Edited February 18, 2022 by connda

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

What some folks here seem to be missing is that not all geographies are affected the same, at the same time, with COVID.

 

The UK lately, and perhaps the U.S. soon, are/will be able to lighten up on their restrictions because their case counts and hospitalizations have already peaked and have begun declining.

 

Thailand and at least several other Asian countries including South Korea, Indonesia and Malaysia are all still on the upward trend of their Omicron waves... And who knows how long it will be before their respective numbers begin to fall.

 

You can't base judgments about the necessary COVID control measures that are needed and appropriate in Thailand on what's occurring in the U.K. or the U.S. Both last year and again this year, the COVID wave in Thailand is running months behind the west.

 

[vandeventer]

2 hours ago, mancub said:

Our local daily market has just tested and been closed as 40 stall operators were found to be positive, 2 of whom live in our street. They don't have any real symptoms, so they don't feel the need to completely respect their self isolation requirements.

I can only imagine that this is essentially the case in most towns.

 

Yes, In my area which is Northern Thailand it is spreading fast as well. 37 kids in a Catholic  school got covid and anyone that had contact with the school is now house quarantine for 6 days. Until the hospital gives the all clear.

[Cherrytreeview]

3 minutes ago, connda said:

Can you attribute your statement to a published, scientific study that backs your assertion?
No, not CNN told me..
No, not "my doctor told me." 
No, not I read it in the Atlantic.

Can you provide a link to a study published in a well known scientific or medical journal which conclusively proves via statistical significance that 'vaccine immunity is better than natural immunity.'

Just link one study from a major journal like The Lancet published in the last 6 months supporting 'vaccine immunity is better than natural immunity.'
<insert link here>  ????

The problem with your natural immunity theory is you have to get the disease first, with no vaccine, and know one knows how that's going to work out.

Severe disease, long covid etc.

The vast majority of medical evidence would suggest meeting the virus having been triple jabbed.

Global morgues are full of people who did their own research and went the natural immunity route.

 

[Bkk Brian]

17 minutes ago, connda said:

Can you attribute your statement to a published, scientific study that backs your assertion?
No, not CNN told me..
No, not "my doctor told me." 
No, not I read it in the Atlantic.

Can you provide a link to a study published in a well known scientific or medical journal which conclusively proves via statistical significance that 'vaccine immunity is better than natural immunity.'

Just link one study from a major journal like The Lancet published in the last 6 months supporting 'vaccine immunity is better than natural immunity.'
<insert link here>  ????

You'll find it unrealistic to find any study giving absolute proof as the parameters don't allow it, so the best a study can do is provide statistical probabilities. Seeing as you asked however, this one published in Nature two days ago and fully peer reviewed.

 

mRNA vaccine-induced antibodies more effective than natural immunity in neutralizing SARS-CoV-2 and its high affinity variants

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-022-06629-2

Published 16th Feb 2022

 

 

Edited February 18, 2022 by Bkk Brian

[phetphet]

A few weeks ago our 9 y.o. (non vacc'd) went down with Covid.

 

A week later, GF. Even though triple vacc'd (2 x Sino, 1 x AZ),

 

I. (2 x AZ, 1 x Pf) Panicking as had just booked and paid for a trip home, nothing. Tested every day ATK and a couple of PCRs. All negative. Even though had been in close contact.

 

Don't know why I wasn't infected. Must have had the good stuff.

 

Edited February 18, 2022 by phetphet

[Chosenfew]

Spread the fear, keep wearing those masks because they really really are working…

[ikke1959]

Have you seen the news in many places it was crowded on the holiday this week and several were not even wear masks...just to mention that it are always the foreigners blamed... Besides that there is a big festival for the coming days in our place now... A good place to get Covid free

[Mywayboy]

1 hour ago, Kaopad999 said:

And so we are here once again.. Fear, fear, fear and more fear.... 

That's how they rule the masses Fear Fear Fear.

It will never change sadly.

[Bkk Brian]

54 minutes ago, connda said:

Like usual, they are completely inept and unable to read statistical reports out of South Africa, the US, UK and elsewhere where Omicron has raged and declined.
 

UK and US yes but I would do as you preach and check the statistical reports from South Africa, first country in the world to detect Omicron and deaths still on the up

[EricTh]

Why is there a surge when the vaccines are supposed to be 'highly effective'  than before the vaccination drive?

 

Thailand's fully vaccinated rate is now 70% which is close to herd immunity.

 

By right, it should be lower than 2000 daily cases which was the average last year.

 

Edited February 18, 2022 by EricTh

[tomyami]

2 hours ago, trainman34014 said:

Can't be true...the Great ANUTIN said it had 'Peaked' last May !

easy on there, I think he said it may peak

was to go thailand seems they are going backwards, now going to a maskless Cheltham

[Bangkok Barry]

2 hours ago, wensiensheng said:

Only 6 kids in my daughters class yesterday due to others isolating and year 10 and year 11 are learning remotely.

My nephew's school has been open for about a week over the past year.

[MrJ2U]

Ominous.

 

 

[herfiehandbag]

3 hours ago, Pouatchee said:

Oh No... All the poor guys on here praying to open up back to normal!!!!

 

Heaven to Betsy! 

 

Personally I prefer safer than sorry

If, as is the case here, the local market has today been closed down ( I don't yet now for how long) then it poses major problems for getting access to food. The Thais shop daily, rather than relying on well stocked freezers.

[herfiehandbag]

3 hours ago, mancub said:

Our local daily market has just tested and been closed as 40 stall operators were found to be positive, 2 of whom live in our street. They don't have any real symptoms, so they don't feel the need to completely respect their self isolation requirements.

I can only imagine that this is essentially the case in most towns.

 

Ours has also closed (unless we both are talking about Wiang Chiang Rung). Do you have any idea how long it is closed down for? If it is more than a few days there will be a lot of rotting fruit!

[madmitch]

The Government should take control and not give power to provincial governors where they seem to have competitions as to who can come up with the most stringent rules, cause even more confusion and close borders unnecessarily..

 

 

[cyril sneer]

is there any other countries that have cases rising so late on, like here?

[ed strong]

1 hour ago, Cherrytreeview said:

For those of us in the heavily boosted UK...

Life is back to normal here, covid is accepted, not feared and from the end of February will be treated as the flu.

No doubt readers of this forum, watched the joyful packed maskless stadiums of the six nations rugby.

Meanwhile, it's one step forward and four steps back in the land of disjointed thinking, vaccine rollout and procurement, Thailand..

Over one year since the absymal Thai vaccine campaign began, barely 25% of the population boosted and the Thai PM is still asking for jungle drums to be banged in the villages.

 

There are more people fully vaccinated in Thailand then in the UK.

 

Africa as a continent has less around 80 % of vaccinations than the UK and Thailand. Yet they have far fewer cases and deaths, when i mean far fewer i mean around 70% less.

 

Just examples that don't add up, Countries seem to just make it up as they go along or get influenced by their bigger brothers, in terms of how the control the data and what gets released.

 

 

 

 

 

 

[KhaoYai]

2 hours ago, Jimbo2014 said:

Stop test and go as its insane when you already have likely around 50K cases a day.

Do you really think that will make a difference? I'd change your words slightly so they read 'stopping test and go would be insane - because that's exactly what it would be.  Its been 2 years now, we have vaccines and reasonably effective treatments now and as the rest of the world is realising, Omicron cannot be stopped without a complete closedown - and even then its doubtful.

 

I fully agreed with the initial lockdowns and other strict measures but things are different now - the economic hardship with the physical and mental damage it causes are more dangerous than the virus in my opinion. Covid can't be stopped and slowly the world is realising that - we just have to live with it and take whatever simple measures we can. The signs are the virus is beginning to burn itself out.

 

I liken it to this:  In Thailand my main form of transport is my motorbike, I rent a car on the odd ocassion when I need one.  I'm fully aware of the risks involved with riding a bike and I do everything I can to mitigate my risk.  I wear a decent helmet and my jacket has built in back, shoulder and elbow protection - I also 'ride aware' at all times.  None of those measures provide 100% protection and nothing will.  There is very limited public transport in my area and close to home, none at all. What should I do?  Stay home? Not go shopping? Starve?

 

Its much the same with Covid, we now have a reasonable level of protection - provided we choose to use it, its time to get on with life.

[kingstonkid]

If they admit that covid is on the decline as a danger they then give up their ability to justify the emergencies decrees and have to give up some of their powers.

 

Also as long as they can say COVID it gives them the ability to varrest  protesters for congregation

[sungod]

4 hours ago, Pouatchee said:

Personally I prefer safer than sorry

stay home then

[fuehrio]

4 hours ago, mancub said:

Our local daily market has just tested and been closed as 40 stall operators were found to be positive, 2 of whom live in our street. They don't have any real symptoms, so they don't feel the need to completely respect their self isolation requirements.

I can only imagine that this is essentially the case in most towns.

 

It's really about time to do it the European way, declare and treat it as a normal flu.

[grego49]

3 hours ago, Guderian said:

How is this possible when just yesterday Dr Kiatiphum Wongrajit, the permanent secretary of the Public Health Ministry, stated that Covid is no longer regarded as a medical emergency?

 

 

It's almost as if the people in government don't even bother talking to each other and simply make it up as they go along...

Aint that the truth,,,

[Pouatchee]

10 minutes ago, sungod said:

stay home then

I do

[sungod]

3 minutes ago, Pouatchee said:

I do

Good, then leave the rest of us to carry on with life. I need to work, my kids need to go to school.

 

Financially secure people with no children shouldn't be allowed an opinion.

Edited February 18, 2022 by sungod

[Pouatchee]

6 minutes ago, sungod said:

Good, then leave the rest of us to carry on with life. I need to work, my kids need to go to school.

 

Financially secure people with no children shouldn't be allowed an opinion.

Stop it dude, I'm gonna cry!

-->Financially secure people with no children shouldn't be allowed an opinion.

I like this one the most. Orwellian thought police at its height

You use 'US' as if you have a shadow army... you sound like the bullies when I was a kid.

"My brother is bigger than yours"... so lame I don't need a team behind me

Edited February 18, 2022 by Pouatchee

[Mike k]

2 hours ago, connda said:

Not until they hit between 30k to 50k a day.  Like usual, they are completely inept and unable to read statistical reports out of South Africa, the US, UK and elsewhere where Omicron has raged and declined.
Omicron: Highly infectious but otherwise a virus losing it's bite.

So the brain-trusts like Anutin and Prayut are just now seeing the writing on the wall?  All they needed to do was look up "Omicron Cases" in a Google search six weeks ago.  Then they'd know where this was heading. 
Instead?
Big Surprise!  Panic!!  Close Everything!!!  <head-shake>

They'll keep the emergency measures in place to 2025 at this rate while most of the rest of the world has gotten back to living life.

That's the only way the (can't call him what he is) can justify his emergency decree 

[Mike k]

1 hour ago, Mywayboy said:

That's how they rule the masses Fear Fear Fear.

It will never change sadly.

Sadly That's worldwide