Building a new house in Isaan

[sometimewoodworker]

5 hours ago, Boomer6969 said:

Ok, since you don't come up with the  second law of thermodynamics,

I certainly don’t claim to be anything like Clausius, so yes that is true.

 

5 hours ago, Boomer6969 said:

I haven't said that you should not insulate your home.

I never suggested you did. However you did say that insulation was not needed if you have high ceilings as they substitute for insulation, faulty logic.

 

20 hours ago, Boomer6969 said:

So insulation must concentrate on wall and windows, while high ceilings will do the job for insulating the upper part.

Your memory seems to be even less good than your simple reading skills as the statement under is clearly incorrect as you can see from your statement above

5 hours ago, Boomer6969 said:

As far as I remember I said that ceiling insulation is less critical than in cold climate.

The statement under is far too simplistic and takes little account of different methods of insulation while ignoring the fact that the reflective sheet will only function well while it is clean, a condition that will not last long in most roof areas in the tropics.

5 hours ago, Boomer6969 said:

While in you need a significant mass of bulk insulation in Europe, a reflective sheet spread over a concrete slab under the roof will do marvels in the tropics.

That a reflective barrier is an inexpensive and extremely effective way to reduce heat gain it only works if installed correctly and is easy to screw up.

 

5 hours ago, Boomer6969 said:

Getting a light colour for you roof tile will also make a difference.

Absolutely.

5 hours ago, Boomer6969 said:

Always amazed by unpleasantness that a simple technical consideration can trigger on this forum.

It is interesting that you see being corrected in your incorrect statements as being “unpleasantness” so it seems that you find difficulty in accepting that you are mistaken or just wrong.

[carlyai]

On 10/9/2022 at 9:18 PM, Will B Good said:

Hi.

 

Been back in the UK for two months during which the wife had a car port built and a 500 sq ft 'summer house'!!!

 

We are in and settled..... big outstanding jobs: garden, wall/fence and plucking up the courage to add a 4m x 15m pool.....which seems to cost more than the house???

Do it yourself.

4x14m 1.4m to 2m

Kira tiles for pool and area, 2hp pump and salt chlorinator = B800000...not counting my labour, or petrol used. So say under 1 million.

[unheard]

15 minutes ago, carlyai said:

Do it yourself.

4x14m 1.4m to 2m

Kira tiles for pool and area, 2hp pump and salt chlorinator = B800000...not counting my labour, or petrol used. So say under 1 million.

Do it yourself?

Why would you do such a thing?

Unless you're experienced in the field or spent a considerable amount of time researching the subject and know exactly what you're doing and have some builder's skills.

Even then why even bother unless you enjoy the building activities in general?

The task of building a pool requires specific expertise and is very labor intensive.

[sometimewoodworker]

21 minutes ago, unheard said:

Do it yourself?

Why would you do such a thing?

My answers would vary between 

I have the time

If it isn’t done right I can only blame myself 

If it isn’t done right I am not paying someone else for the screw ups

Good exercise for me

A new experience.

etc

[carlyai]

30 minutes ago, unheard said:

Do it yourself?

Why would you do such a thing?

Unless you're experienced in the field or spent a considerable amount of time researching the subject and know exactly what you're doing and have some builder's skills.

Even then why even bother unless you enjoy the building activities in general?

The task of building a pool requires specific expertise and is very labor intensive.

1. Compare the costs of DIY and Pool Installer.

2. New learning.

3. Seemed like fun. ????

I did sus out a pool advisor by remote contact.

I did get previous arcitectual swimming pool drawing plans.

I hired a really good tiler.

[unheard]

Just now, carlyai said:

I did sus out a pool advisor by remote contact.

I did get previous arcitectual swimming pool drawing plans.

I hired a really good tiler.

Hmm, not really the blanket DIY then?

[unheard]

9 minutes ago, carlyai said:

1. Compare the costs of DIY and Pool Installer.

Not much in savings considering all the hassle, unless that's your kind of fun and learning experience.

But that's really personal...btw thank you for your specific answer.

[unheard]

1 hour ago, carlyai said:

2hp pump and salt chlorinator = B800000...

Not to pollute this thread...

What brand(s) did you use for the pump and chlorinator?

[Boomer6969]

1 hour ago, sometimewoodworker said:

It is interesting that you see being corrected in your incorrect statements as being “unpleasantness” so it seems that you find difficulty in accepting that you are mistaken or just wrong.

Well during all the decades I had worked for a UN organisation I had never heard the so pleasant "ass backward" qualification. I apologise for my  offended reaction.

[Boomer6969]

4 hours ago, Will B Good said:

I often wonder how much this aspect of house-breaking is over-hyped.....obviously I won't think that if (when?) we are burgled.

 

I hate the idea of bars on the windows for sure, but might consider some decorative guards in between the window and the mosquito blinds.

 

The wife is pinning her hopes of protection on our guard dog......????

Yep, my cat's been doing the job, so far.

[Muhendis]

5 hours ago, Will B Good said:

Mmmmm.....working for me?

 

Here are some stills taken from it.

Is that dog responsible for all that water

[sometimewoodworker]

56 minutes ago, Boomer6969 said:

Well during all the decades I had worked for a UN organisation I had never heard the so pleasant "ass backward" qualification. I apologise for my  offended reaction.

Though I find some of first sentence meaning impenetrable, I accept the apology 

[Will B Good]

On 10/13/2022 at 7:26 AM, carlyai said:

Do it yourself.

4x14m 1.4m to 2m

Kira tiles for pool and area, 2hp pump and salt chlorinator = B800000...not counting my labour, or petrol used. So say under 1 million.

Too old and too lazy.....but nice idea. Quote for 4m x 15m x 1.2m concrete/tiled....... 1.4 million.

[Will B Good]

22 hours ago, Muhendis said:

Is that dog responsible for all that water

A good proportion of it....he swims twice a day and drinks continuously as he swims......must have a bladder the size of a medicine ball.

[Will B Good]

23 hours ago, carlyai said:

I hired a really good tiler.

In Thailand?.....wow!

[unheard]

28 minutes ago, Will B Good said:

Too old and too lazy.....but nice idea. Quote for 4m x 15m x 1.2m concrete/tiled....... 1.4 million.

Not unreasonable for that size.

But not cheap either.

Try other builders.

 

[Will B Good]

29 minutes ago, unheard said:

Not unreasonable for that size.

But not cheap either.

Try other builders.

 

Just waiting on quotes, including for fiberglass..... obviously prefer concrete/tiled, but not got money to burn.

[unheard]

21 minutes ago, Will B Good said:

Just waiting on quotes, including for fiberglass..... obviously prefer concrete/tiled, but not got money to burn.

You might still be able to fit your budget (you haven't specified) by making the pool smaller.

You might be able to save significantly by the ways of adjusting pool's dimensions (by reducing its length and/or width) but still keeping it very functional for your particular use.

The equipment choice might also play some role in keeping the prices down.

The pump and salt chlorinator are the most expensive parts on the equipment list. e.g. the American Hayward pump is at least 2X or even more as expensive as the very similar Chinese one. The same story is with the chlorinator.

There are many things to consider.

If you're really set on getting a pool, I'd advise you to spend some time on learning about swimming pools and their equipment before making the commitment. Also would be real helpful to learn about pool maintenance in general.

Don't just go with the pool builder's advise. He's not exactly unbiased.

[carlyai]

1 hour ago, Will B Good said:

Too old and too lazy.....but nice idea. Quote for 4m x 15m x 1.2m concrete/tiled....... 1.4 million.

All good.

Can I make a small suggestion?

1.2 m all the 15m way?

Have 3 or 4 m at 1.2 m, then a gentle slope to 3 m length by 2m depth.

So 1.2 flat, slope,  then 2m.

Probably won't regret it. ????

[KayDeeDee]

  Hello , to all and good day . Can anyone tell me what the Average building 

   Costs  $  per Meter is  for a  2 bedroom 2 bath  brick  house in Thailand is  . 

      thank you 

[unheard]

12 hours ago, KayDeeDee said:

  Hello , to all and good day . Can anyone tell me what the Average building 

   Costs  $  per Meter is  for a  2 bedroom 2 bath  brick  house in Thailand is  . 

      thank you 

Depends on...

design of the house, region of the country, proximity to the sizeable city, cost and availability of housing for the building crew, proximity to the sources of construction materials, road access availability, site preparation requirements etc, etc, etc...

In addition, an unpermitted house in the countryside constructed by the part-time builders (farmers) will be significantly cheaper as compared to the exact same design constructed from the similar materials on the same lot if done by a bigger city based legit builder.

[GarryP]

On 10/15/2022 at 8:45 AM, unheard said:

Depends on...

design of the house, region of the country, proximity to the sizeable city, cost and availability of housing for the building crew, proximity to the sources of construction materials, road access availability, site preparation requirements etc, etc, etc...

In addition, an unpermitted house in the countryside constructed by the part-time builders (farmers) will be significantly cheaper as compared to the exact same design constructed from the similar materials on the same lot if done by a bigger city based legit builder.

This might give a rough idea. From my experience, material costs are higher upcountry but labour lower.

[KayDeeDee]

On 10/16/2022 at 12:53 AM, GarryP said:

This might give a rough idea. From my experience, material costs are higher upcountry but labour lower.

 

[KayDeeDee]

Hello  to   GarryP   Thanks for the Building Costs  Information  ,  COST INDEX Chart 

  for building a  house in  Bangkok  .   If i am reading this correctly   ,  Line  5 

 Detached house  concrete single storied    . Cost in 2022  Cost Index  HIGH  END 

  IS  ,       16.100   Thai  Baht   per square meter  ?     So a     140  sq  Meter  

  equates  to something like    $  60,000  dollars  / 2,255,000 thai baht . 

[KayDeeDee]

On 10/13/2022 at 4:07 AM, Muhendis said:

Is that dog responsible for all that water

 Very NIce Looking House  

[GarryP]

1 hour ago, KayDeeDee said:

Hello  to   GarryP   Thanks for the Building Costs  Information  ,  COST INDEX Chart 

  for building a  house in  Bangkok  .   If i am reading this correctly   ,  Line  5 

 Detached house  concrete single storied    . Cost in 2022  Cost Index  HIGH  END 

  IS  ,       16.100   Thai  Baht   per square meter  ?     So a     140  sq  Meter  

  equates  to something like    $  60,000  dollars  / 2,255,000 thai baht . 

Yes. The cost index is per sqm. 

 

I received a number of quotes from different companies ranging from Baht4.2m, 3.6m, 2.8m and 2.25m for a 182sqm one storey house. The costs came out to slightly under the Medium costs for Line 5. As you will note, the costs vary greatly and the company that quoted 4.2m would not build with AAC blocks, only red brick, so it was the first to be knocked off the list.     

[KayDeeDee]

21 hours ago, GarryP said:

Yes. The cost index is per sqm. 

 

I received a number of quotes from different companies ranging from Baht4.2m, 3.6m, 2.8m and 2.25m for a 182sqm one storey house. The costs came out to slightly under the Medium costs for Line 5. As you will note, the costs vary greatly and the company that quoted 4.2m would not build with AAC blocks, only red brick, so it was the first to be knocked off the list.     

Hello GarryP , Thanks for all the great INFO  .   Very Helpful     

[Bill Dauterive]

After having build 5 houses in different ways, the first 2 in your way. With my own (better) ideas and searching how to get that done with the local workers and tools they have at their disposal...SO i advice you

1. Search skilled workers from anywhere who are known for being able to build high quality or..

2. Use building materials and methods the local builders know. That means probably you'll have to do concessions.

 They have so many ways to ruin something you could never dream it up and it's all your fault because you asked them to do this. No garantee they will tell you if they can't...... They mostly say yes until it's way too late and you're sure to lose money and time on it.

In the end the quality of a 20 mil. house ends up to be the same as a 1 mil house just other gimmicks, materials and more floorspace.... But don't be dissapointed when your roof leaks just the same ans your shower floor and you window frames...be there every step of the build is a good garantee for better quality but not for knowledge on material, technique and tools..

For isolation purposes i would look for tropical house designs rather than the blocks and isolation...Unless you have air on all day wich we don;t we only use fans..

I have used all different building blocks available and am planning my own house soon. Also in Isan. It will be build in either the grey cement blocks or the red brick. I will not use the white blocks..Have used them in 3 houses but pass m in my own house. Good luck to you.

[unheard]

37 minutes ago, Bill Dauterive said:

SO i advice you

1. Search skilled workers from anywhere who are known for being able to build high quality or..

2. Use building materials and methods the local builders know. That means probably you'll have to do concessions.

That's all very good advice but given from one certain perspective when one decides to become his own general contractor.

That requires lots of research and/or prior industry knowledge, certain people skills (language, local customs), time and patience.

Not for everyone, to say the least.

The alternative would be hiring a full service home building company that handle all related to home building processes - from A to Z.

Each company is different. Some (most?) specialize in a certain price tier.

[unheard]

1 hour ago, Bill Dauterive said:

 

In the end the quality of a 20 mil. house ends up to be the same as a 1 mil house just other gimmicks, materials and more floorspace....

Disagree.

There is a huge (yes huge!) difference in quality of houses in those price ranges.

The 20 mil mansion most likely than not will be built by a premium market specialist company utilizing quality materials and very high quality of labor, as compared to the 1 mil house built by part-time workers (farmers).