Opinion: Don’t go down the path of vaccine mandates, rather show anti-vaxxers for who they really are

[swm59nj]

No government should actually force anyone to get a vaccine if they don’t want to.  I’m vaccinated by the way with two vaccines and two booster vaccines done over a period of time.  My decisions are based on western recommendations. Not Thailand. 
I have seen western news reports in the past people that refused to get vaccinated.  But end up getting Covid.  They are either very  sick at home or hospitalized. These people all seem to say how sick they were and the mistake they made not to get vaccinated.  

[ukrules]

7 hours ago, sirineou said:

and do you know any doctors that would advice you not to get vaccinated? I mean other that Dr, trump who got his medical degree from trump university. 

Trump has had all his shots, including the booster. He was booed at one of his rallies when he announced this.

[sandyf]

3 hours ago, BritManToo said:

Explain to me why I should care about or respect you or anyone else I don't know?

As I said, selfish.

[peter zwart]

Don’t go down the path of vaccine mandates, rather show anti-vaxxers for who they really are.......................Yep....not stupid. The biggest bs i heard during this so called pandemic, you do it for the other people. What a lot of rubbish. Im not in one of the "danger zones" and trust on my immunity system. Absolute no reason to get a, short term effective, vaccine. 

Edited February 24, 2022 by peter zwart

[Justanotherone]

if unvaxxed are stupid and all must die, than the problem will resolve itself 

 

as the vaxxed people blindly believe they are protected when they are clearly not

 

if 60 percent of the people that die are UNVAXXED

 

that means 40 percent is vaxxed AND STILL DIE

 

but you forget that most people that die are over 60

 

and probably have a lot of other diseases, silent or active

 

You vaxxed people are on 4 shots, masked, etc... and still not safe ?

 

I am on ZERO shots, on ZERO meds, but I take extra vitamin D, eat healthy, walk every day,

 

and if I die, one stupid unvaxxed less, that is what vaxx people want anyway, so it is a win win

 

[sandyf]

3 hours ago, richard_smith237 said:

An accusation of virtue signalling by someone who is highlighting that they have none. 

 

Why should you care about or respect anyone you don’t know ? that explains a lot.

 

You have clearly highlighted that you care about or respect no one, perhaps until they’ve earned it. 

Whereas others, respect and care about everyone until they’ve proven they are undeserving.

 

The community on a whole deserves our efforts to support it and keep it safe. You may not think so, but fortunately you are in the minority. 

 

 

Good post, have to say not often I would agree.

The UK and the west in general have been beating their chests over sending troops to Ukraine, how would that pan out if the troops were incapacitated by some infectious disease.

The selfish have no respect for those that forego their freedom of choice to protect the freedoms of the ungrateful.

[sandyf]

47 minutes ago, xylophone said:

My recollection of the polio vaccination was that mothers were also queueing with their children to make sure they had the vaccine!

Whole post very good.

There was a girl in my class at school that had polio, she wore calipers on both legs. When the vaccine became available my mother had us straight round the doctors. Just the same as every other vaccine that popped up.

When i joined the RAF early 64 there were no questions asked you just had to have them all again.

If there were anti vaxers in the 50s we wouldn't have to listen to so many of them now.

[Golden Triangle]

6 hours ago, thaiman said:

"Anti-vaxxer" is a horrible term.  Most if not all of these people have other vaccines and actually believe in the power of vaccinations, they just don't support the "covid" one.

Can we think of a better term?

Yes, I can. The problem is if I print it here I will get a lifetime ban.

[BritManToo]

1 hour ago, sandyf said:

As I said, selfish.

Selfish, but at least not stupid.

[BritManToo]

1 hour ago, sandyf said:

If there were anti vaxers in the 50s we wouldn't have to listen to so many of them now.

There were only 3-5 vaccinations given to children in the 50s and 60s.

More like 20 now.

 

You're suggesting if 2 paracetamol are good, 30 paracetamol must be better.

Not to mention the polio vaccine actually worked.

Edited February 24, 2022 by BritManToo

[berrec]

9 hours ago, TooMuchTime said:

It isn't essential, just something you can use.

 

Using these CDC stats I have made the decision to not get COVID injections.  It also doesn't help that protection wanes off within 6 months so you have to get continuous boosters.  They still haven't determined the end amount of boosters needed though.

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/covid19/mortality-overview.htm

https://covid.cdc.gov/covid-data-tracker/#demographics

 

Tell me why I should worry when I am not fat and have no medical issues at 30 years old.

 

Using the data I linked from when I downloaded it in Oct 2021, there would be a 99.849% survival rate for those 30-39 years old.

Why are some healthcare workers refusing COVID vaccines?

 

The reasons behind the healthcare workers’ vaccine hesitancy were varied, with the most common reasons cited being how quickly the vaccine was developed, insufficient safety and effectiveness data, a disbelief that the vaccine would protect them from COVID-19 infection, and concerns about serious side effects.

 

https://www.modernhealthcare.com/labor/why-are-some-healthcare-workers-refusing-covid-vaccines

 

The reason why intelligent people in the medical field that are around and treating COVID patients all day and night are vaccine hesitant. 

 

So get off your high horse about anti-vaxxers, my body, my choice! 

 

BTW, we succumbed to the first shot of getting Moderna (you know, do the right thing); and the last COVID vaccine we will both ever take,

 

Both myself and my wife experienced different adverse side effects; hers brain fog and mine heart palpitations, (both still persisting now after 6 weeks)

[Freddy42OZ]

10 hours ago, TooMuchTime said:

LMAO hope you guys enjoy your quarterly boosters.

 

Someone has to make sure Pfizer reaches their quarterly sales target.

 

No better feeling than being able to make my own health decisions based off my risk profile.

Aren't most of you old blokes putting money into Pfizer's coffers already with your weekly little blue pill 'booster'.

 

[sirineou]

1 hour ago, ukrules said:

Trump has had all his shots, including the booster. He was booed at one of his rallies when he announced this.

Thank you for that information, but it is  is irrelevant to my point

[xylophone]

Reading some of the posts on here, I find it incredulous that there is still a great deal of stupidity out in the world, so one only hopes that the Darwin effect can weed out these poor unfortunates.

 

There is nothing really to argue about, because the overarching principles are: –

 

– Vaccinations have been around for over a century.

– The new mRNA vaccine was being worked on over 60 years ago, so it is not new.

– Just over 10 billion doses of vaccines to fight the coronavirus have been delivered worldwide to date.

– For those people who think their immune system will protect them, so did many of the 9 million who have died so far worldwide, and they were not all oldies, as others would have you believe.

 

And one thing that the people who rail against the vaccine forget is that "we" have trained scientists, physicians, doctors, specialists, nurses to take care of our health needs and problems, and they do a fine job at that.

 

And around 99% of the people mentioned above worldwide, believe in the vaccine, with just a few rogue folk, who are often in it for financial reward, opposing it and spreading lies on suspect social media sites– – so are we to believe the 99% of the specialists who have been trained in this field, or the almost negligible percentage of rogue "doctors and so-called specialists" who oppose it?

 

It beggars belief when you look at it like this, especially when we are quite willing to put our lives in the hands of these specialists when something goes wrong with our health.

[4MyEgo]

18 hours ago, TooMuchTime said:

LMAO hope you guys enjoy your quarterly boosters.

Some of us don't really have the choice, not to boost i.e. unless with age and pre-existing conditions we want to make a choice of not getting the booster and perhaps departing life a little earlier that expected, e.g. higher risk of the inevitable.

 

All we can do is research and listen to unbiased professional opinions and also look at the science so as to make an informed decision.

 

Let's see what happens when age and health issues arise for you, i.e. if you will still be blowing your trumpet oh so loud.

 

 

[KhaoYai]

Guys, you've fallen for it.  What better way of getting exposure for your advertising than to include it in a provocative post?  Take a look at the OP!!!

[cocochubb]

2 minutes ago, KhaoYai said:

Guys, you've fallen for it.  What better way of getting exposure for your advertising than to include it in a provocative post?  Take a look at the OP!!!

What advertising, I don't see any. Is that how a website generates revenue?

[xylophone]

1 hour ago, sandyf said:

There was a girl in my class at school that had polio, she wore calipers on both legs

Similar experience here, becoming good friends with a guy who was paralysed from the waist down, and I was his designated wheelchair pusher/carer for about five years, which I didn't mind one bit because he was a great guy.

 

I didn't have any choice about being vaccinated, and I'm so pleased that I didn't, because about the time when the vaccination became available there was a poor guy in our town who was in an iron lung, and in those days they were big hefty old things, and he used to be driven round in the back of a large Commer van, and he would be taken to schools where he could answer questions from us schoolchildren, this after his Dr/carer had given us the lowdown on his condition and this disease.

 

It was as if he was from another planet because he was in this big iron lung and although he could speak, if he was taken out of it for any length of time, he would die. And he made a huge impression on us schoolkids and our parents because they would be invited along to hear what was being said.

 

I also had the good fortune to meet a very attractive girl, in the late 60s, but unfortunately she had also contracted polio as a kid and could only walk with crutches and calipers and it was such a shame to see such a beautiful looking girl being set back like this.

 

I often wondered what her future would be like, but the poor girl was killed when her specially adapted three wheeled car turned over and caught fire with her in it, and she couldn't escape and was burnt to death – – so sad.

 

However I do believe that my school friend went on to get married and have children, and I do believe he is alive today, so as I'm writing this I will make an effort to get in touch with him.

 

Moral of the story is that vaccinations have saved countless lives, and that's why the medical profession/specialists/scientists develop them.

[cocochubb]

2 minutes ago, xylophone said:

Moral of the story is that vaccinations have saved countless lives, and that's why the medical profession/specialists/scientists develop them.

what vaccines you referring to?

[xylophone]

21 minutes ago, cocochubb said:

what vaccines you referring to?

Are you serious?

Reading a few of my previous posts may give you a clue.

[KhaoYai]

1 hour ago, cocochubb said:

What advertising, I don't see any. Is that how a website generates revenue?

I think you know very well how they generate income.  We don't have to pay a subscription to be a member here and so we must accept that the site places adverts as a way of making money and being able to provide the platform that they do. 

 

However, my personal opinion is that disgusing an advert as a post and ensuring its read by using a known controversial subject is the wrong way. I seem to remember when such posts were clearly marked 'Advertorial'.

 

I'd like to think its OK for me to express my opinion this way. It is only my opinion - others may disagree.

Edited February 24, 2022 by KhaoYai

[Danderman123]

3 hours ago, Justanotherone said:

if unvaxxed are stupid and all must die, than the problem will resolve itself 

 

as the vaxxed people blindly believe they are protected when they are clearly not

 

if 60 percent of the people that die are UNVAXXED

 

that means 40 percent is vaxxed AND STILL DIE

 

but you forget that most people that die are over 60

 

and probably have a lot of other diseases, silent or active

 

You vaxxed people are on 4 shots, masked, etc... and still not safe ?

 

I am on ZERO shots, on ZERO meds, but I take extra vitamin D, eat healthy, walk every day,

 

and if I die, one stupid unvaxxed less, that is what vaxx people want anyway, so it is a win win

 

PS: if I would get sick, I have 200 NAC pills for my lungs and about a kilogram of vitamin C powder and a year supply of vitamin D...

Your numbers are wrong, as is your belief that eating vitamins will save you from Covid.

 

In the period July to December 2021, the age-adjusted risk of death involving coronavirus (COVID-19) was 93.4% lower for people who had received a third dose, or booster, at least 21 days ago compared with unvaccinated people. 

 

In the period July to December 2021, the age-adjusted risk of death involving COVID-19 was 81.2% lower for people who had received a second dose at least 21 days ago compared with unvaccinated people; for January to June 2021, this was 99.5% lower.

Edited February 24, 2022 by Danderman123

[The Hammer2021]

12 hours ago, TooMuchTime said:

LMAO hope you guys enjoy your quarterly boosters.

 

Someone has to make sure Pfizer reaches their quarterly sales target.

 

No better feeling than being able to make my own health decisions based off my risk profile.

'No better feeling' Wow you must live a miserable, tedious life if not getting vaccinated is a pinnacle..

[ncc1701d]

It should be mandated because variants have greater chance of occurring by surviving longer in the unvaccinated. 
 

https://www.healthline.com/health-news/unvaccinated-people-are-increasing-the-chances-for-more-coronavirus-variants-heres-how

[cocochubb]

3 hours ago, KhaoYai said:

However, my personal opinion is that disgusing an advert as a post and ensuring its read by using a known controversial subject is the wrong way. I seem to remember when such posts were clearly marked 'Advertorial'.

This is the part that puzzled me. I did not understand exactly what you were alluding to. And, I don't see any advertising here, not a one?

[cocochubb]

3 hours ago, KhaoYai said:

I think you know very well how they generate income.  We don't have to pay a subscription to be a member here and so we must accept that the site places adverts as a way of making money and being able to provide the platform that they do. 

 

However, my personal opinion is that disgusing an advert as a post and ensuring its read by using a known controversial subject is the wrong way. I seem to remember when such posts were clearly marked 'Advertorial'.

 

I'd like to think its OK for me to express my opinion this way. It is only my opinion - others may disagree.

Opinion: Don’t go down the path of vaccine mandates, rather show anti-vaxxers for who they really are

this don't appear to be much of an avert?

Edited February 24, 2022 by cocochubb

[Danderman123]

48 minutes ago, cocochubb said:

Opinion: Don’t go down the path of vaccine mandates, rather show anti-vaxxers for who they really are

this don't appear to be much of an avert?

This thread is useful in showing who anti-vaxxers really are.

 

[KhaoYai]

2 hours ago, cocochubb said:

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[KhaoYai]

2 hours ago, cocochubb said:

This is the part that puzzled me. I did not understand exactly what you were alluding to. And, I don't see any advertising here, not a one?

See above.

 

I repeat, I fully understand the need to generate income but I feel that actually including it in the text of a post is a step too far.

 

It is however, better than those awful pop ups we used to get that on some browsers, wouldn't go away.

Edited February 24, 2022 by KhaoYai

[thaibeachlovers]

18 hours ago, jacko45k said:

If I had the medical training and experience, perhaps. But I won't be doing my own surgery. 

Doesn't stop you reading the various opinions posted on the internet and making up your own mind. That's what I did before deciding to refuse a pfizer jab. I had an alternative when it became available, though I'd prefer to have had Novovax, but it wasn't available when the IMO <deleted> anti unvaccinated penalizing measures came into force, so to have a life I took the option least likely to give me problems. So far it was a good decision.