Assault on Kiev: Russian helicopters swoop above Ukraine's capital

[rudi49jr]

Italy seizes 570 million US$ mega yacht from Russian billionaire. Last week they already seized villas and yachts worth 156 million US$ from five high-profile Russians. I say hunt them down and seize every last dollar they own, and Putin will soon find himself in a completely different kind of trouble than he already is in now.

 

https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/italy-seizes-russian-oligarch-melnichenkos-sailing-yacht-2022-03-12/

 

[Bkk Brian]

The International Criminal Court has created a portal for submitting evidence related to the ongoing conflict in Ukraine, details of which can be found here:

 

Statement of ICC Prosecutor, Karim A.A. Khan QC, on the Situation in Ukraine: Additional Referrals from Japan and North Macedonia; Contact portal launched for provision of information

 

My Office has responded immediately to this unprecedented collective call for action by States Parties. The investigative team that I deployed to the region last week has already commenced evidence-collection activities. I am also personally seeking to engage with all relevant stakeholders and parties to the conflict with the aim of strengthening channels for the collection of relevant information and engendering coordinated action towards our common goal of ensuring accountability for crimes falling within ICC jurisdiction.

 

https://www.icc-cpi.int/Pages/item.aspx?name=20220311-prosecutor-statement-ukraine

 

Edited March 12, 2022 by Bkk Brian

[sammieuk1]

2 hours ago, Bkk Brian said:

The destruction and horror cannot get much worse than it is already, at what point will this be described as Genocide?

 

AFP

#UPDATE A mosque in the southeastern Ukrainian port city of Mariupol, where 80 civilians were taking shelter, has been shelled by Russian forces, Ukraine's foreign ministry said on Saturday

That should please the alleged 16,000 Syrian cannon fodder mercenaries Putin has ordered today ???? 

[tgw]

2 hours ago, Bkk Brian said:

The International Criminal Court has created a portal for submitting evidence related to the ongoing conflict in Ukraine, details of which can be found here:

 

Statement of ICC Prosecutor, Karim A.A. Khan QC, on the Situation in Ukraine: Additional Referrals from Japan and North Macedonia; Contact portal launched for provision of information

 

My Office has responded immediately to this unprecedented collective call for action by States Parties. The investigative team that I deployed to the region last week has already commenced evidence-collection activities. I am also personally seeking to engage with all relevant stakeholders and parties to the conflict with the aim of strengthening channels for the collection of relevant information and engendering coordinated action towards our common goal of ensuring accountability for crimes falling within ICC jurisdiction.

 

https://www.icc-cpi.int/Pages/item.aspx?name=20220311-prosecutor-statement-ukraine

 

they should put out arrest warrants for Putin and his accomplices

[grahamuk]

Disappointing that nobody has managed to put a bullet through that monster's brain yet. ☹️

.

 

[Jingthing]

1 hour ago, sammieuk1 said:

That should please the alleged 16,000 Syrian cannon fodder mercenaries Putin has ordered today ???? 

His evil has no limits 

[Bkk Brian]

13 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said:

It’s now being reported that Putin has placed both the head and deputy head of the FSB under house arrest:

 

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10603045/amp/Putin-places-head-FSBs-foreign-intelligence-branch-house-arrest.html

 

Now also in the Times

 

Kremlin arrests FSB chiefs in fallout from Ukraine chaos

 

The defenestration of several senior spies is a sign of Putin’s growing fury towards the intelligence services

 

A Russian spy chief is said to have been placed under house arrest in a sign that President Putin is seeking to blame the security services for the stalled invasion of Ukraine.

Sergey Beseda, head of the FSB’s foreign intelligence branch, was arrested with Anatoly Bolyukh, his deputy, according to a leading expert on the Russian security services.

 

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/kremlin-arrests-fsb-chiefs-in-fallout-from-ukraine-invasion-chaos-92w0829c5?

[rudi49jr]

10 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

Now also in the Times

 

Kremlin arrests FSB chiefs in fallout from Ukraine chaos

 

The defenestration of several senior spies is a sign of Putin’s growing fury towards the intelligence services

 

A Russian spy chief is said to have been placed under house arrest in a sign that President Putin is seeking to blame the security services for the stalled invasion of Ukraine.

Sergey Beseda, head of the FSB’s foreign intelligence branch, was arrested with Anatoly Bolyukh, his deputy, according to a leading expert on the Russian security services.

 

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/kremlin-arrests-fsb-chiefs-in-fallout-from-ukraine-invasion-chaos-92w0829c5?

Let the infighting begin. Hopefully Putin will step on enough toes in the FSB that he becomes a liability to them and they’re going to want to take im out. 

[tgw]

2 hours ago, sammieuk1 said:

That should please the alleged 16,000 Syrian cannon fodder mercenaries Putin has ordered today ???? 

he will probably claim the Ukrainians bombed the Mosque

[tgw]

42 minutes ago, rudi49jr said:

Let the infighting begin. Hopefully Putin will step on enough toes in the FSB that he becomes a liability to them and they’re going to want to take im out. 

let's hope for that. could be an easy way out, but only if his successor has more sense

[tgw]

11 hours ago, lexor said:

Israeli prime minister to Zelensky: Surrender

“If I were you, I would think about the lives of my people and take [Putin’s] offer,” Naftali Bennett reportedly told the Ukrainian president in a phone call today.

https://hotair.com/allahpundit/2022/03/11/israeli-prime-minister-to-zelensky-surrender-n454767

 

 

it seems the disinformation machinery is in full swing

 

https://www.barrons.com/news/israel-denies-it-urged-ukraine-to-accept-russian-stance-01647098707?refsec=afp-news

 

• FROM AFP NEWS

Israel Denies It Urged Ukraine To Accept Russian Stance

[Chris.B]

Get this....

 

Russia, who can't defeat a small country like Ukraine, is now threatening the most powerful nation on earth, the USA, with targeting US arms shipments. 

 

[Scott]

Post with false or misleading information and replies removed.

 

[RJRS1301]

12 hours ago, nauseus said:

The war could have been a lot worse? Tell that to the innocent injured and dead.

 

 

Not to mention the displaced, maimed and those will be traumatised for life, especially children and the disabled.

[Chomper Higgot]

10 hours ago, sammieuk1 said:

That should please the alleged 16,000 Syrian cannon fodder mercenaries Putin has ordered today ???? 

Putin’s request for troops from Syria tells us something about the Russian military, none of which is flattering.

[Berkshire]

8 hours ago, Chris.B said:

Get this....

 

Russia, who can't defeat a small country like Ukraine, is now threatening the most powerful nation on earth, the USA, with targeting US arms shipments. 

 

This should be interesting.  If the Russians shoot down an American aircraft bringing arms, killing all Americans onboard, would that be a declaration of war against the US?  Surely this would require a retaliatory move.

[Kwasaki]

8 hours ago, Chris.B said:

Get this....

 

Russia, who can't defeat a small country like Ukraine, is now threatening the most powerful nation on earth, the USA, with targeting US arms shipments. 

 

The thing is Russia may will do once the arms are on Ukrainian land that was one of the problems getting them in at the beginning.

 

Edited March 13, 2022 by Kwasaki

[Kwasaki]

15 minutes ago, Berkshire said:

This should be interesting.  If the Russians shoot down an American aircraft bringing arms, killing all Americans onboard, would that be a declaration of war against the US?  Surely this would require a retaliatory move.

That's why there brought over the border by road. 

[Hummin]

2 hours ago, RJRS1301 said:

Not to mention the displaced, maimed and those will be traumatised for life, especially children and the disabled.

Surprised how distanced some is from the reality and the nature of a war.

 

The longer the war continues the more damage on vital infrastructure, more war casualties, more trauma, more war crimes.

 

On Russian Tv they are discussing public executions, and for those who know little bit about the war in Thetsenia, know how this going to be when the Russians start struggling.

 

The easiest way for you guys seems to condem everyone who trying to see things different, and also trying to silence those who trying to look at it in a more realistic way.

 

If Russia down a NATO plane, we all know what's coming next. We know the Russians will claim it was the Ukraine's who did it, to make  NATO involved.

 

 

 

That's how that one will play out, and the outcome of a situation like that is unknown, 

 

[Bkk Brian]

Gotta love the Russian media, in its own complete state controlled bubble, military experts on there now talking about extending the invasion to other countries.

 

With their performance at the UN security council meeting and allegations of birds flying dangerous pathogens into Russia one really has to wonder how some can become so brainwashed. 

 

Video: Experts at a Russian state channel are now discussing how to best invade north-eastern Poland, all 3 Baltic states and the Swedish island of Gotland, which is located at a strategic place in the Baltic Sea. Something is seriously wrong with Russia.

 

UN experts: New Russian media law puts Russians in "total information blackout." Experts appointed by the UN Human Rights Council said Russia’s implementation of a “punitive ‘fake war news’ law is an alarming move by the government to gag and blindfold an entire population.”

 

Russia is pushing a story about Ukraine's being "a few months away from acquiring nuclear weapons." The quote is from a TASS story (no link - don't want to send people their way). Don't have time for a long version, so here is a short one - this is pure unadulterated <deleted>

[RJRS1301]

1 hour ago, Hummin said:

Surprised how distanced some is from the reality and the nature of a war.

 

The longer the war continues the more damage on vital infrastructure, more war casualties, more trauma, more war crimes.

 

On Russian Tv they are discussing public executions, and for those who know little bit about the war in Thetsenia, know how this going to be when the Russians start struggling.

 

The easiest way for you guys seems to condem everyone who trying to see things different, and also trying to silence those who trying to look at it in a more realistic way.

 

If Russia down a NATO plane, we all know what's coming next. We know the Russians will claim it was the Ukraine's who did it, to make  NATO involved.

 

 

 

That's how that one will play out, and the outcome of a situation like that is unknown, 

 

Please show me where in my quote I condemned anyone?

Or is any quote which does not align with your thinking seen as condemnation?

 

[Hummin]

Just now, RJRS1301 said:

Please show me where in my quote I condemned anyone?

Or is any quote which does not align with your thinking seen as condemnation?

 

I'm sorry your reply was the last in a line of a few more on my post earlier, and also my experience from other post on the same theme.

 

However it is a difficult situation, and as outsiders that can be drawn in to the war at some point, we haven't seen the worst yet.

 

A statement that obvious provoke some. Of course it is already bad, and the war have already lasted to long, and there seems to be no way back, at least how it looks right now. At some point Un need to take action,. If that doesn't happen, NATO will at some point intervene, or maybe more realistic EU!

 

I'm sure or I hope they do work with an EU solution, and Not NATO get involved at this point.

 

This could be the test of EU

 

 

 

[Kwasaki]

42 minutes ago, Hummin said:

I'm sorry your reply was the last in a line of a few more on my post earlier, and also my experience from other post on the same theme.

 

However it is a difficult situation, and as outsiders that can be drawn in to the war at some point, we haven't seen the worst yet.

 

A statement that obvious provoke some. Of course it is already bad, and the war have already lasted to long, and there seems to be no way back, at least how it looks right now. At some point Un need to take action,. If that doesn't happen, NATO will at some point intervene, or maybe more realistic EU!

 

I'm sure or I hope they do work with an EU solution, and Not NATO get involved at this point.

 

This could be the test of EU

Thoughts along the lines of a US Generals assessment who was speaking on LBC news.

 

As seen Russia's initial invasion did not go as Putin's Generals predicted and the resistance was something they did not expect.

 

The tactic's as seen had to changed and they then concentrate on surrounding cities.

 

A lot more was said but basically he predicts Kyiv will be pounded until the gov steps down and eventually Russia will pull out they have no desire to occupy Ukraine.

 

NATO or EU will not join in the present invasion.  

[Hummin]

9 minutes ago, Kwasaki said:

Thoughts along the lines of a US Generals assessment who was speaking on LBC news.

 

As seen Russia's initial invasion did not go as Putin's Generals predicted and the resistance was something they did not expect.

 

The tactic's as seen had to changed and they then concentrate on surrounding cities.

 

A lot more was said but basically he predicts Kyiv will be pounded until the gov steps down and eventually Russia will pull out they have no desire to occupy Ukraine.

 

NATO or EU will not join in the present invasion.  

An economic war is more likely yes
 

An interesting read

 

»Over the past few days, the internet has been full of post receiving hundreds of likes with approximately the following message: “The whole world is shocked by Russia’s actions. Everyone, besides Chechens.” In the time that has passed since the collapse of the Soviet Union, this small separatist region in the North Caucasus has lived through two full-scale wars with the federal forces of Russia. The first was in 1994-95, a war that Chechnya won. The second, which was in its active phase from October 1999, and passed through several stages from large-scale military confrontation to a guerilla phase that was met with unspeakable brutality by the Russian government, lasted until the end of 2014, and Chechnya lost. There are significant similarities as well as significant differences, between the two Russian-Chechen wars and what is now happening in Ukraine.»

 

read more

https://www.nhc.no/en/the-wars-in-chechnya-and-ukraine-similarities-and-differences/

Edited March 13, 2022 by Hummin

[Kwasaki]

13 minutes ago, Hummin said:

An economic war is more likely yes
 

An interesting read

 

»Over the past few days, the internet has been full of post receiving hundreds of likes with approximately the following message: “The whole world is shocked by Russia’s actions. Everyone, besides Chechens.” In the time that has passed since the collapse of the Soviet Union, this small separatist region in the North Caucasus has lived through two full-scale wars with the federal forces of Russia. The first was in 1994-95, a war that Chechnya won. The second, which was in its active phase from October 1999, and passed through several stages from large-scale military confrontation to a guerilla phase that was met with unspeakable brutality by the Russian government, lasted until the end of 2014, and Chechnya lost. There are significant similarities as well as significant differences, between the two Russian-Chechen wars and what is now happening in Ukraine.»

 

read more

https://www.nhc.no/en/the-wars-in-chechnya-and-ukraine-similarities-and-differences/

I never took any notice much over the past years with all the wars since the WW2. 

As the US General said the Ukrainian conflict started 16 years ago in past history and NATO closing in over the years.

The past doesn't matter anymore this war has to be stopped how at this moment is just guessing.

[Chomper Higgot]

Lumen Technologies and Cogent Communications, providers of the internet ‘backbone’ Russia relies on have both announced they are withdrawing services in the region:

 

https://news.lumen.com/RussiaUkraine

 

https://www.reuters.com/technology/us-firm-cogent-cutting-internet-service-russia-2022-03-04/

[Chris.B]

11 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Lumen Technologies and Cogent Communications, providers of the internet ‘backbone’ Russia relies on have both announced they are withdrawing services in the region:

 

https://news.lumen.com/RussiaUkraine

 

https://www.reuters.com/technology/us-firm-cogent-cutting-internet-service-russia-2022-03-04/

Is that good news or bad?

 

I would have thought the internet is beneficial to keep the Russian population informed. Or are we returning to the BBC short wave service as recently reported?

 

[nauseus]

4 hours ago, Berkshire said:

This should be interesting.  If the Russians shoot down an American aircraft bringing arms, killing all Americans onboard, would that be a declaration of war against the US?  Surely this would require a retaliatory move.

It would but they won't fly in right now. 

[RJRS1301]

Russian embassy’s rage over stunt

The Russian ambassador is “apoplectic” over an epic stunt on Russia’s embassy in Portugal’s capital, according to former UN war crimes investigator David Savage.

 

Two neighbouring houses have projected blue and yellow onto the Russian embassy’s Lisbon facade, which are the colours of the Ukrainian flag.

Portugal is one of many European countries welcoming Ukrainian refugees who have been forced to leave the country.

https://www.news.com.au/world/europe/ukraine-russia-conflict-live-updates/news-story/62524dd6a2f2697f084aab61ac3e12f4

 

[Chomper Higgot]

15 minutes ago, Chris.B said:

Is that good news or bad?

 

I would have thought the internet is beneficial to keep the Russian population informed. Or are we returning to the BBC short wave service as recently reported?

 

The purpose of disconnecting Russia from the internet is to hamper Russian cyber attacks. (As a positive side effect it will also further cripple the Russian economy).

 

Informing the Russian population of things most are probably not predisposed to hear is almost certainly way behind combatting Russian cyber attacks on the priority scale.

 

Russian civilians will in any case get the message as the Russian economy collapses.

 

 

Edited March 13, 2022 by Chomper Higgot