Assault on Kiev: Russian helicopters swoop above Ukraine's capital

[Jingthing]

1 hour ago, Mike_Hunt said:

I reject this narrative.  Putin wants the USSR back. 

Perhaps more like he wants a mythical Russian empire back but similar threat to the world.

[GroveHillWanderer]

On 5/1/2024 at 4:56 PM, jas007 said:

Surely, people must know that the military industrial complex in the US is huge. Over the years, trillions of dollars change hands. Lots of money for corruption. And the merchants of war can afford to hire the best spin doctors on planet earth.  And they have. And, in conjunction with the help of their corporate media buddies, they demonize both Russia and Putin.  And the politicians are funded, of course.  And so we are all on the brink of nuclear annihilation, all so that some fat cats and some bankers can make big bucks.

Yes, we all know that the US military industrial complex is huge.

 

But even if we accept the premise that they "demonize" Putin and Russia, you're still going to have to explain to me how that is sufficient to force Russia to launch an invasion of a neighbouring sovereign nation.

[jas007]

5 hours ago, GroveHillWanderer said:

Just read a transcript of the Victoria Nuland tape. She clearly wanted Ukraine to become/remain more Western-oriented and not to be controlled by Russia. 

 

Shock, horror!

 

What would you have expected her to say - that she'd rather have Ukraine fall into Russia's orbit?

Ukraine is next door to Russia. It’s in Russia’s orbit, like it or not.  The point is that Nuland was meddling in Ukraine’s affairs, stirring up trouble. That was her function. That’s how she got her job. Demonize Russia. Demonize Putin. Try to destabilize Ukraine. Cause trouble. Typical Neocon crap. Unfortunately for the rest of the world, there will likely be serious consequences unless this war ends sooner rather than later.
 

Russia cannot be defeated by either Ukraine or NATO. Perhaps a peace of some sort can be achieved. The alternative is WW III.  And once that happens, we won’t get a do over.  Anyone not worried about that is delusional.  

[jvs]

28 minutes ago, jas007 said:

Ukraine is next door to Russia. It’s in Russia’s orbit, like it or not.  The point is that Nuland was meddling in Ukraine’s affairs, stirring up trouble. That was her function. That’s how she got her job. Demonize Russia. Demonize Putin. Try to destabilize Ukraine. Cause trouble. Typical Neocon crap. Unfortunately for the rest of the world, there will likely be serious consequences unless this war ends sooner rather than later.
 

Russia cannot be defeated by either Ukraine or NATO. Perhaps a peace of some sort can be achieved. The alternative is WW III.  And once that happens, we won’t get a do over.  Anyone not worried about that is delusional.  

Some reports are saying russia has enough money for four more months of this.

After that the bag is empty,maybe some trading arms for oil and gas but the infrastructure of russia is slowly collapsing.

Many remote areas are still under developed and the workers that are needed to do maintenance are dying in the Ukraine!

Not because these people are defending their country but because of one little man who is

all set to impose his will on other countries.

Russia will defeat itself,the worst kind of defeat.

The Ukraine will not run out of weapons again and once the bridge is gone some one inside russia

will decide the fate of putin.

I hope it will be over as soon as possible.

 

[scottiejohn]

1 minute ago, jvs said:

Some reports are saying

What reports?

I hope and wish it to be true but posts like your are meaningless without verifiable sources!

They are just poor clickbait otherwise!

[Yellowtail]

Does anyone understand why Putin invaded Ukraine during the Obama-Biden administration, and during the Biden-Harris administration, but did not invade during the Trump-Pence administration?

 

It seems like it would have been a lot easier if Putin had his puppet Trump in the Whitehouse. 

 

Anyone? 

[Hummin]

9 minutes ago, Yellowtail said:

Does anyone understand why Putin invaded Ukraine during the Obama-Biden administration, and during the Biden-Harris administration, but did not invade during the Trump-Pence administration?

 

It seems like it would have been a lot easier if Putin had his puppet Trump in the Whitehouse. 

 

Anyone? 

Ask why Trump met putin off record!?

 

Maybe the answer lays in a deal made behind closed doors? 

 

Trump started with making uncertainty about Nato, he stayed off Crimea and the border crises between  Ukraine and  russias Putins backyard? 

 

Ask why Putin and Trump had a personal meeting off record! Unbelievable if you ask me, cant understand how the president of USA could do that and no Maga ask questions about it.

[Yellowtail]

7 minutes ago, Hummin said:

Ask why Trump met putin off record!?

 

Maybe the answer lays in a deal made behind closed doors? 

 

Trump started with making uncertainty about Nato, he stayed off Crimea and the border crises between  Ukraine and  russias Putins backyard? 

 

Ask why Putin and Trump had a personal meeting off record! Unbelievable if you ask me, cant understand how the president of USA could do that and no Maga ask questions about it.

 

Did you not understand the question? Does anyone understand why Putin invaded Ukraine during the Obama-Biden administration, and during the Biden-Harris administration, but did not invade during the Trump-Pence administration?

 

It seems like it would have been a lot easier if Putin had his puppet Trump in the Whitehouse. 

 

No idea huh? I thought not. 

[Hummin]

6 minutes ago, Yellowtail said:

 

Did you not understand the question? Does anyone understand why Putin invaded Ukraine during the Obama-Biden administration, and during the Biden-Harris administration, but did not invade during the Trump-Pence administration?

 

It seems like it would have been a lot easier if Putin had his puppet Trump in the Whitehouse. 

 

No idea huh? I thought not. 

 

Maybe Obama and Biden had more interest in Ukraine Than Trump? 

 

Thats what I tried to imply.

 

World politics where one move leads to another, 

[Hummin]

13 minutes ago, Yellowtail said:

 

Did you not understand the question? Does anyone understand why Putin invaded Ukraine during the Obama-Biden administration, and during the Biden-Harris administration, but did not invade during the Trump-Pence administration?

 

It seems like it would have been a lot easier if Putin had his puppet Trump in the Whitehouse. 

 

No idea huh? I thought not. 

Some reading for you

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trump–Ukraine_scandal

[Yellowtail]

1 minute ago, Hummin said:

 

Maybe Obama and Biden had more interest in Ukraine Than Trump? 

 

Thats what I tried to imply.

 

World politics where one move leads to another, 

That's why Obama refused to sell Ukraine weapons, Trump sold Ukraine weapons, and Biden canceled the arms sales to Ukrain when he got into office, got it. 

 

And what did Biden say when Putin had forces on the boarder, and he was asked what he would do in Putin invaded? Remember? 

 

And remember Obama on a hot-mike promising Putin to be flexible on missile defense if Putin would give him some space until after the election?

 

You guys crack me up. 

[Yellowtail]

3 minutes ago, Hummin said:

Some reading for you

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trump–Ukraine_scandal

What not just explain it to me? Because you can't You guys never actually able to formulate an argument, all you can do is post links. 

[Hummin]

4 minutes ago, Yellowtail said:

That's why Obama refused to sell Ukraine weapons, Trump sold Ukraine weapons, and Biden canceled the arms sales to Ukrain when he got into office, got it. 

 

And what did Biden say when Putin had forces on the boarder, and he was asked what he would do in Putin invaded? Remember? 

 

And remember Obama on a hot-mike promising Putin to be flexible on missile defense if Putin would give him some space until after the election?

 

You guys crack me up. 

I see no credible links

[Hummin]

2 minutes ago, Yellowtail said:

What not just explain it to me? Because you can't You guys never actually able to formulate an argument, all you can do is post links. 

Why bother? You are so full of yourself (fox news)

[Yellowtail]

1 minute ago, Hummin said:

I see no credible links

To what? Is there anything I've said that you think is not true? 

[Yellowtail]

1 minute ago, Hummin said:

Why bother? You are so full of yourself (fox news)

That's what I though, you pretend you can't be bothered, but you are not actually able to think for yourself. 

 

Typical. 

[Hummin]

1 minute ago, Yellowtail said:

To what? Is there anything I've said that you think is not true? 

Why Obama did not  prioritized high tech weapons to Ukraine, because of corruption and the risk of handing technology to the russians. 

 

So, 

[Yellowtail]

Just now, Hummin said:

Why Obama did not  prioritized high tech weapons to Ukraine, because of corruption and the risk of handing technology to the russians. 

 

So, 

Not this: Friday File: Obama’s Open Mic Gaffe | Council on Foreign Relations (cfr.org)

[Yellowtail]

23 minutes ago, Hummin said:

I see no credible links

HMKP-116-JU00-20191211-SD994.pdf (congress.gov)

White House freezes Ukraine military package that includes lethal weapons - POLITICO

Friday File: Obama’s Open Mic Gaffe | Council on Foreign Relations (cfr.org)

 

So again, 

Does anyone understand why Putin invaded Ukraine during the Obama-Biden administration, and during the Biden-Harris administration, but did not invade during the Trump-Pence administration?

 

It seems like it would have been a lot easier if Putin had his puppet Trump in the Whitehouse. 

[Hummin]

26 minutes ago, Yellowtail said:

 

You can't formulate your own argument, so you call me names, typical. 

 

What is your primary language anyway? 

 

Yank on this...

I was not the one starting out aggressive, look back on your posts

 

Yank is short for Yankee if you did not know. 

 

Cia was afraid of the internal problems in Ukraine, and advised Obama to not send high tech weapons. If you remember the boarders had private rebellion armies fighting russians.

 

This is just a weak excuse after Trumps scandal denying aid and now the republicans halted the weapon deliveries in congress. 

 

F political deleted bull pie politics

[Hummin]

17 minutes ago, Wobblybob said:

Norwegian. 

Thank you, new I could trust you wobblybob. 

[AreYouGerman]

1 hour ago, jvs said:

Some reports are saying russia has enough money for four more months of this.

After that the bag is empty,maybe some trading arms for oil and gas but the infrastructure of russia is slowly collapsing.

Many remote areas are still under developed and the workers that are needed to do maintenance are dying in the Ukraine!

Not because these people are defending their country but because of one little man who is

all set to impose his will on other countries.

Russia will defeat itself,the worst kind of defeat.

The Ukraine will not run out of weapons again and once the bridge is gone some one inside russia

will decide the fate of putin.

I hope it will be over as soon as possible.

 

 

lol.

[thaibeachlovers]

18 hours ago, ChicagoExpat said:

And yet, somehow this exculpatory knowledge is available only to Russians and the useful idiots who so loyally support them.  It's almost as if Russia hadn't invaded it's neighbors over and over again before this latest invasion.  The wonderful part of it is simps like you would hate living in the world that Russia is trying to create, and would if they could.

 

If a poster is unable to write without including insults, it usually indicates that they don't have much to contribute of any importance, and can be disregarded.

[thaibeachlovers]

6 hours ago, AreYouGerman said:

 

lol.

Seems we have been hearing for a very long time on this subforum as how Russia is running out of men, money and ammunition, and Zelensky will be marching into the Kremlin in just a few weeks. LOL.

( that last bit was satirical, for the humour devoid ).

 

At the moment, it is Ukraine that is running out of men, money and ammunition.

[Wobblybob]

8 hours ago, Hummin said:

Thank you, new I could trust you wobblybob. 

Sorry, was it a secret? 

[Rimmer]

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[Yellowtail]

10 hours ago, Hummin said:

I was not the one starting out aggressive, look back on your posts

This is how I started out: 

 

Does anyone understand why Putin invaded Ukraine during the Obama-Biden administration, and during the Biden-Harris administration, but did not invade during the Trump-Pence administration?

 

It seems like it would have been a lot easier if Putin had his puppet Trump in the Whitehouse. 

 

Anyone? 

10 hours ago, Hummin said:

Yank is short for Yankee if you did not know. 

What you said was big-mouthed yank, so if I called you a big-mouthed mountain-monkey it would not be name calling. 

10 hours ago, Hummin said:

Cia was afraid of the internal problems in Ukraine, and advised Obama to not send high tech weapons. If you remember the boarders had private rebellion armies fighting russians.

Denied all lethal aid, not just high-tech. Which had nothing to do with my question. 

HMKP-116-JU00-20191211-SD994.pdf (congress.gov)

10 hours ago, Hummin said:

This is just a weak excuse after Trumps scandal denying aid and now the republicans halted the weapon deliveries in congress. 

You mean Trump delaying the weapons for a few weeks that that Obama refused to give to Ukraine, and the weapons that were going to Ukraine that Biben cancelled. That aid? 

10 hours ago, Hummin said:

 

F political deleted bull pie politics

 

Again, Putin invaded Ukraine during the Obama-Biden administration, and during the Biden-Harris administration, but did not invade during the Trump-Pence administration. 

 

It seems like it would have been a lot easier if Putin had his puppet Trump in the Whitehouse. 

 

Why did Putin not invade during the Trump administration? 

[Gweiloman]

15 hours ago, Mavideol said:

US hits China with sweeping sanctions over support for Russia’s war in Ukraine

https://au.yahoo.com/news/us-hits-china-sweeping-sanctions-062147624.html

Seems like the Us is becoming a one trick pony with its endless sanctions on everyone. I wonder about the efficacy of such moves. If a company can make more money selling to Russia than to the Us, today, tomorrow and into the foreseeable future, the sanctions are totally useless. It also creates more negative sentiment around the world and could lead to retaliatory measures from the countries affected. In a fight between USA vs ROW, my money is on the latter.

[Bkk Brian]

Nice one, hit them deep, hit them hard.

 

Cameron backs Ukrainian strikes on targets inside Russia using British-supplied weapons

David Cameron has backed Ukrainian strikes against targets inside Russia using British-supplied weapons. Speaking in the Ukrainian capital, the foreign secretary said it was Ukraine's decision on how to use the supplied equipment and Kyiv "absolutely has the right" to strike back. Britain has supplied billions of pounds worth of equipment, and on a visit to Kyiv, Lord Cameron said: "In terms of what the Ukrainians do, in our view, it is their decision about how to use these weapons, they're defending their country, they were illegally invaded by Putin and they must take those steps.

https://news.sky.com/story/cameron-backs-ukrainian-strikes-on-targets-inside-russia-using-british-supplied-weapons-13127857

[johng]

4 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

David Cameron has backed Ukrainian strikes against targets inside Russia using British-supplied weapons.

And predictably he will act all surprised and outraged if/when Russia targets British-supplied weapons whilst they are still in Britain.