Assault on Kiev: Russian helicopters swoop above Ukraine's capital

[tgw]

1 minute ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Short of unconditional surrender all wars end in negotiations.

not all negociations are real negociations, often they are just agreements on how to manage the defeat, and don't negotiate anything significant the fate of which wasn't already sealed by way of arms.
Germany (2x)
Japan (1x)
Napoleon (2x)
Vietnam (2x)
Afghanistan (2x)
Algeria
...
the list goes on.

and now please answer my question whether Russia's attack on Ukraine is more tolerable to you than the West supporting Ukraine with weapons.
 

[rudi49jr]

5 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

No army tolerates mutineers.

There are plenty of examples where mutineers changed the course of action of an army and/or country. For the good, I mean, not by a coup like in Thailand. 

[heybruce]

46 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

No army tolerates mutineers.

Putin's beloved Soviet Union had its origins in a mutiny in the February Revolution.

[rudi49jr]

10 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Agree 100%.

IMO the only certainty if the war continues is that lots more Ukrainians will die and more destruction will occur.

The west, IMO, is carrying out a war against Russia using Ukrainian bodies, which is intolerable to me.

Either go all in and risk WW3, or stop interfering and force Ukraine to the negotiating table, IMO.

The west, IMO, is carrying out a war against Russia using Ukrainian bodies, which is intolerable to me.
 

What you find intolerable is of little or no consequence here. What does matter is what Ukraine and its people find intolerable, and that is obviously Russia invading their country and the concept of Ukraine being conquered and ruled by Russia. There is a long history of Russian savagery and brutality against Ukraine, so the Ukrainians know what awaits them when Russia wins. Just look at what Russia and its army are doing in the parts of Ukraine they have occupied (torture, rape, murder, ethnic cleansing) and you will get the picture.

So it is no surprise that Ukraine is willing to fight very hard for its freedom. The west has strategic interests as well, because Russia is now a clear and present danger to them, as Tom Clancy put it so aptly. 

[tgw]

 

[tgw]

for the benefit of some readers who wrote they can't understand what Russia's attack on Ukraine has to do with NATO, or why what happens in Ukraine is important for Taiwan and world peace, I suggest they watch this video:

 

 

Edited March 13, 2023 by tgw

[bannork]

Russia's murderous state media 

 

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[LosLobo]

25 minutes ago, Social Media said:

 

The SS-Helferin or SS female guards conscripted by the Nazis to assist in the genocide at the Holocaust extermination camps comes to mind.

[Mavideol]

Vlad and Wagner group boss love story is in shambles .... Vlad's days will be over soon

Ukraine-Russia news – latest: Putin and Wagner group reach ‘boiling point’ in Bakhmut rivalry

https://au.yahoo.com/news/ukraine-russia-news-latest-putin-043857034.html

Ukraine-Russia news – latest: Putin suffering ‘extremely heavy casualties’ in Bakhmut ‘killing zone’

https://au.yahoo.com/news/ukraine-russia-news-latest-putin-085610486.html

[rudi49jr]

3 minutes ago, Mavideol said:

Vlad and Wagner group boss love story is in shambles .... Vlad's days will be over soon

Ukraine-Russia news – latest: Putin and Wagner group reach ‘boiling point’ in Bakhmut rivalry

https://au.yahoo.com/news/ukraine-russia-news-latest-putin-043857034.html

Ukraine-Russia news – latest: Putin suffering ‘extremely heavy casualties’ in Bakhmut ‘killing zone’

https://au.yahoo.com/news/ukraine-russia-news-latest-putin-085610486.html

Rumors are that Vlad is deliberately sacrificing huge numbers of Wagner fighters because Prigozhin and his private army had become to powerful and a direct threat to Putin. This is apparently Vlad’s way to decimate Wagner and kill the threat. 

[LosLobo]

37 minutes ago, rudi49jr said:

Rumors are that Vlad is deliberately sacrificing huge numbers of Wagner fighters because Prigozhin and his private army had become to powerful and a direct threat to Putin. This is apparently Vlad’s way to decimate Wagner and kill the threat. 

Perhaps defenestration will remedy this conflict between "birds of a feather" Vlad the war criminal and Yev, the ex thief, pimp and convict hotdog vendor.

 

[bannork]

1 hour ago, rudi49jr said:

Rumors are that Vlad is deliberately sacrificing huge numbers of Wagner fighters because Prigozhin and his private army had become to powerful and a direct threat to Putin. This is apparently Vlad’s way to decimate Wagner and kill the threat. 

The trouble is then Putin will have to use the regular troops and conscripts, and they're a shambles.

[rudi49jr]

11 minutes ago, bannork said:

The trouble is then Putin will have to use the regular troops and conscripts, and they're a shambles.

So it’s a win-win for Ukraine and the West. Hope Ukraine’s spring offensive will push Russian forces far back, preferably to where they came from, across the border.

[tgw]

13 minutes ago, rudi49jr said:

So it’s a win-win for Ukraine and the West. Hope Ukraine’s spring offensive will push Russian forces far back, preferably to where they came from, across the border.

don't get your hopes too high such a victory will be very difficult to achieve with the very limited help and supplies that are delivered to Ukraine.

[tgw]

1 hour ago, Mavideol said:

Vlad and Wagner group boss love story is in shambles .... Vlad's days will be over soon

Ukraine-Russia news – latest: Putin and Wagner group reach ‘boiling point’ in Bakhmut rivalry

https://au.yahoo.com/news/ukraine-russia-news-latest-putin-043857034.html

Ukraine-Russia news – latest: Putin suffering ‘extremely heavy casualties’ in Bakhmut ‘killing zone’

https://au.yahoo.com/news/ukraine-russia-news-latest-putin-085610486.html

 

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In October, Pavel Gubarev, a Russian political figure who proclaimed himself the “People’s Governor” of the Donetsk Region in 2014 and later as leader of the Donbas People’s Militia, explained that Ukrainians were, “Russian people, possessed by the devil,” and that Russia’s aim was to “convince them” that they are not Ukrainian. He added: “But if you don’t want us to change your minds, then we will kill you. We will kill as many of you as we have to. We will kill 1 million or 5 million, we can exterminate all of you.”

hello disgusting Russia supporters, what do you say ?

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[tgw]

https://edition.cnn.com/2023/03/14/politics/russian-jet-us-drone-black-sea/index.html

 

Russian fighter jet forces down US drone over Black Sea after intercept

[thaibeachlovers]

On 3/13/2023 at 7:05 PM, rudi49jr said:

So Putin scored a few brownie points with his own population, big whoop. How long will it take for them to forget that? All I wanted to point out was how stupid it was to waste about half their stock of precious missiles on useless targets.

You think they haven't been making new ones then?

[thaibeachlovers]

On 3/13/2023 at 7:09 PM, rudi49jr said:

There are plenty of examples where mutineers changed the course of action of an army and/or country. For the good, I mean, not by a coup like in Thailand. 

Agreed, but the ringleaders still get shot.

[heybruce]

2 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

You think they haven't been making new ones then?

Russia is stripping chips out of appliances to get the parts necessary to make more weapons.   It kind of slows things down.  https://www.cbsnews.com/news/russian-military-equipment-computer-chips-refrigerators/

[AndyFoxy]

16 hours ago, tgw said:

don't get your hopes too high such a victory will be very difficult to achieve with the very limited help and supplies that are delivered to Ukraine.

Russia is winning and will eventually win this war.

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2 minutes ago, AndyFoxy said:

Russia is winning and will eventually win this war.

Another empty troll post designed to elicit angry reactions. Don't feed him.

[AndyFoxy]

1 minute ago, placeholder said:

Another empty troll post designed to elicit angry reactions. Don't feed him.

It's my opinion. I'm allowed one, aren't I? Or you would like to have me censored since I don't agree with you?

[rudi49jr]

2 hours ago, AndyFoxy said:

It's my opinion. I'm allowed one, aren't I? Or you would like to have me censored since I don't agree with you?

It's my opinion. I'm allowed one, aren't I?
 

Do you really want to go there? So you invoke your right to free speech and voicing your opinion, while at the same time defending a regime that has people harassed, beaten up, thrown in jail, tortured and/or killed, just because their opinion does not suit the regime’s narrative. 
And censorship is pretty much a Russian thing. I don’t know if you have noticed, but lately the Duma has passed many laws to censure its own people, so they can be thrown in jail for up to 15 years if they say anything (about Russia, Putin, the army, the war in Ukraine, and so on and so forth) that the regime does not agree with.

A forum like this one could never exist in Putin’s Russia, and everyone uttering even the slightest little bit if criticism could face serious consequences. So maybe you can explain to us why you are such a staunch defender of Putin and his murderous regime?

[Phoenix Rising]

2 hours ago, AndyFoxy said:

Russia is winning and will eventually win this war.

Just curious as to how you define "winning" and at what point has Russia "won" this war because all the data contradicts your view?

[Rimmer]

Irrelevant off topic baiting troll post removed

[AndyFoxy]

1 hour ago, rudi49jr said:

It's my opinion. I'm allowed one, aren't I?
 

Do you really want to go there? So you invoke your right to free speech and voicing your opinion, while at the same time defending a regime that has people harassed, beaten up, thrown in jail, tortured and/or killed, just because their opinion does not suit the regime’s narrative. 
And censorship is pretty much a Russian thing. I don’t know if you have noticed, but lately the Duma has passed many laws to censure its own people, so they can be thrown in jail for up to 15 years if they say anything (about Russia, Putin, the army, the war in Ukraine, and so on and so forth) that the regime does not agree with.

A forum like this one could never exist in Putin’s Russia, and everyone uttering even the slightest little bit if criticism could face serious consequences. So maybe you can explain to us why you are such a staunch defender of Putin and his murderous regime?

Now that last sentence really is a massive leap of logic.

[rudi49jr]

1 minute ago, AndyFoxy said:

Now that last sentence really is a massive leap of logic.

Why? Are you saying you have not been defending Putin and his regime on this forum?

[farmerjo]

4 hours ago, AndyFoxy said:

It's my opinion. I'm allowed one, aren't I? Or you would like to have me censored since I don't agree with you?

It's a closed thread mate,don't even bother.