NONTHABURI, (TNA) – The 43rd Bangkok International Motor Show is ready to welcome visitors at its venue, the IMPACT exhibition complex in Muang Thong Thani estate, from March 23 to April 3 on the theme of “Keep moving forward together”.

 

Prachin Eamlumnow, chief executive officer of Grand Prix International PCL and chief organizer of the Bangkok International Motor Show, said the automotive industry of Thailand started to recover this year after being affected by COVID-19 for over two years. 

 

Importantly the industry was shifting from internal combustion engines to electric power and manufacturers were enjoying support from the government for their production of electric vehicles for domestic use and export, he said.

 

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Does anyone that lives in the real world believe that Thailand's electrical infrastructure could sustain millions of EVs?

Could ordinary folk even afford to buy one- that's probably the biggest disincentive to buy one in NZ, and the fact that the batteries are very expensive and will need replacing will impact the second hand market, IMO.

 

I wonder how many actually believe the advertising BS that they are environmentally "friendly", when the electricity to power them is often produced by burning fossil fuels, and the old batteries may be polluting to dispose of?

 

I used to visit the Bkk motor show every year, but it wasn't to look at the cars, nudge nudge wink wink.

5 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

I used to visit the Bkk motor show every year, but it wasn't to look at the cars, nudge nudge wink wink.

My wife flatly refused to buy the Race Queen outfit.

Still waiting for my Condo complex and many others to install assigned parking stalls for the owners and residents and then if one of those has an EV to assist in hooking up an EV charging port..... 

 

I can just see it now the Condo's install a few EV charging station slots only to have those slots filled by numpties driving a petrol or diesel based car.......Thats just here in BKK.  If I owned a home outside of BKK like I will eventually do again I will install the EV charging station and purchase a new MG EV.....

5 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Does anyone that lives in the real world believe that Thailand's electrical infrastructure could sustain millions of EVs?

Could ordinary folk even afford to buy one- that's probably the biggest disincentive to buy one in NZ, and the fact that the batteries are very expensive and will need replacing will impact the second hand market, IMO.

 

I wonder how many actually believe the advertising BS that they are environmentally "friendly", when the electricity to power them is often produced by burning fossil fuels, and the old batteries may be polluting to dispose of?

 

I used to visit the Bkk motor show every year, but it wasn't to look at the cars, nudge nudge wink wink.

Volvo parent Geely reveals $9,000 EV for China. 

China's $9,000 Electric Pivkup Truck is Coming to the US.

Chinese EV maker XPeng model P5 sedan starts at less than $25,000.

 

SFP (lifepo4-sulfur, iron, phosphate) EV auto batteries more environmentally friendly. Lithium-ion vs lead-acid batteries: higher charge rate, higher specific energy, better cold-temperature performance, lower self-charge rate.

5 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Does anyone that lives in the real world believe that Thailand's electrical infrastructure could sustain millions of EVs?

Could ordinary folk even afford to buy one- that's probably the biggest disincentive to buy one in NZ, and the fact that the batteries are very expensive and will need replacing will impact the second hand market, IMO.

 

I wonder how many actually believe the advertising BS that they are environmentally "friendly", when the electricity to power them is often produced by burning fossil fuels, and the old batteries may be polluting to dispose of?

 

I used to visit the Bkk motor show every year, but it wasn't to look at the cars, nudge nudge wink wink.

We started in 2017 to install my first 12 Solar panes and we added every Year 12 more until we reached the point that we could go off-grid.

 

Even we invest a lot of money in this we can say it was worth it.

 

In 2019 we bought the first electric car and after installing some more solar panels, we charge it from the sun to 95%.

 

Compared to the gasoline car cost, we saved the last 70000 km around 210000 Thb.

 

We are now upgrading the solar system again and are on the way to buying the second electric car. 

 

I think that what we did over the last years it is not only environmentally friendly, it will save us, in the long run, millions of THB.

 

For the investment in the solar system over the 30 years minimum lifetime, we will get the investment back 1-2 times.

 

In case the EV can last 400000Km then it would be free too. (if calculated on the gasoline we saved).

 

However, we totally agree that charging the EV with grid power that is made from gas and oil is not that environmentally friendly but under consideration of the efficiency of the combustion engine, the EV is the same burden to the environment. 

 

An entrance fee ... to look at cars.  Probably a recent C19 test also ... ????

I don't think I'll ever be that bored.

1 hour ago, KhunLA said:

An entrance fee ... to look at cars. 

That's what exhibition centres do, what is available to view is irrelevant!

1 hour ago, Liverpool Lou said:

That's what exhibition centres do, what is available to view is irrelevant!

I go to 'exhibitions' often enough, and never paid to enter.  Last house was almost completely furnished from a 'home exhibition' @ Impact.  

 

I don't pay to window shop. If you can't get me to enter, no hope in selling me something, and I'm in the market for an EV ... maybe.  Though I do seem to be talking myself out of the idea.  So a little eye candy would go a long way to motivating me.

6 hours ago, ThailandRyan said:

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I can just see it now the Condo's install a few EV charging station slots only to have those slots filled by numpties driving a petrol or diesel based car.......Thats just here in BKK.  If I owned a home outside of BKK like I will eventually do again I will install the EV charging station and purchase a new MG EV.....

Something like this? ????

 

 A rich, rich ground for finding some very nice new girlfriends ... a must visit for admirers of beautiful women

I did the sums recently - how much money would i save if i went Electric and charged the battery via solar - compared with gasoline expenditure.  New car and solar panels, charging infrastructure, about one million baht. Petrol saved - 25,000 baht a year - wait - that will tale 40 years for pay back..... Hmm maybe not.

8 minutes ago, rickudon said:

I did the sums recently - how much money would i save if i went Electric and charged the battery via solar - compared with gasoline expenditure.  New car and solar panels, charging infrastructure, about one million baht. Petrol saved - 25,000 baht a year - wait - that will tale 40 years for pay back..... Hmm maybe not.

Are all the appliances  and lighting in your home powered directly by fossil fuels? Most of the ones in mine use electricity.

5 minutes ago, placeholder said:

Are all the appliances  and lighting in your home powered directly by fossil fuels? Most of the ones in mine use electricity.

Set up a bicycle that powers the TV when your kids want to watch it they have to exercise as well.

2 minutes ago, ThailandRyan said:

Set up a bicycle that powers the TV when your kids want to watch it they have to exercise as well.

I have one of them for GF's <deleted>.
I pedal.

7 minutes ago, placeholder said:

Are all the appliances  and lighting in your home powered directly by fossil fuels? Most of the ones in mine use electricity.

My ROI going solar at house alone will be < 5 yrs, without an EV. Though I abuse the AC  a lot more than Rick, and drive more kms per year, I think.

 

Extra cost of EV would pay for itself before the warranty is up, if doing the 180k kms in 8 yrs, using MG ZS ICE vs EV (฿400k) for calculations @ ฿30 / liter, not counting oil changes & tune-up & belt changes.

Just now, KhunLA said:

My ROI going solar at house alone will be < 5 yrs, without an EV. Though I abuse the AC  a lot more than Rick, and drive more kms per year, I think.

 

Extra cost of EV would pay for itself before the warranty is up, if doing the 180k kms in 8 yrs, using MG ZS ICE vs EV (฿400k) for calculations @ ฿30 / liter, not counting oil changes & tune-up & belt changes.

^ this !!!!!!!!!!

 

and I personally don't think you should include the price of the EV in the price what you pay for the solar install, because you can power your house with it as well!

 

 

21 minutes ago, rickudon said:

I did the sums recently - how much money would i save if i went Electric and charged the battery via solar - compared with gasoline expenditure.  New car and solar panels, charging infrastructure, about one million baht. Petrol saved - 25,000 baht a year - wait - that will tale 40 years for pay back..... Hmm maybe not.

Fuel isn't the only metric in comparing EV to ICE autos.

 

EVs have less moving parts, no oil changes, sparkplug replacement, etc. That results in lower maintenance costs by 40-49% lower than for ICE models.

Then there is the additional benefit that a fully charged EV can serve as an electric source for a home in the event of a grid failure. 

 

On 3/23/2022 at 2:48 PM, JBThai said:

However, we totally agree that charging the EV with grid power that is made from gas and oil is not that environmentally friendly but under consideration of the efficiency of the combustion engine, the EV is the same burden to the environment. 

Difference is that if I buy a second hand petrol car I won't have to replace the batteries ( which is probably why the car is being sold ).

I can also do a seven hour journey with a 15 minute stop to fill up and don't have to recharge it before returning.

Another contender with 380 km range and < ฿600k price tag

https://www.car250.com/neta-v-smart-ev-th-2022-3.html

 

they are selling the EV the same price as gas car, good luck selling it

On 4/5/2022 at 2:54 PM, vinci said:

they are selling the EV the same price as gas car, good luck selling it

Actually, EV cars with a range like this hold their resale values well. Of course, that doesn't speak to the quality of the build.

On 3/23/2022 at 3:53 PM, rickudon said:

I did the sums recently - how much money would i save if i went Electric and charged the battery via solar - compared with gasoline expenditure.  New car and solar panels, charging infrastructure, about one million baht. Petrol saved - 25,000 baht a year - wait - that will tale 40 years for pay back..... Hmm maybe not.

I have home solar and an EV. The EV is purely powered by excess solar from the house system. My actual payback is 5 years as I don't have a PEA bill or a fuel bill for my car.

Also ran some real life numbers, elsewhere, closed thread & worth repeating.  

If I change over from ICE to EV:

Top up a MG ZS EV 50KwH battery from 0-100% = ฿220 (50 X ฿4.4)

(Actually 'FREE' at MG charging station < 5 kms from house)

vs my MG EV (ICE) @ ฿1300-1500, and that's with cheap E85 

 

EV warranty @ 180k kms / 11 kpl X ฿33 = ฿540k for petrol (energy)

180k kms / 320 kms (WLTP) = 562.5 X 220 = ฿124k for charging (energy)

฿540k - 124k = ฿416k saved on energy cost alone

MG ZS ICE ฿700K

MG ZS EV ฿950k 

MG EP ฿761k ... as mentioned, same pricing as ICEs now.

Of course if spring for solar at the house <฿300k, then ROI for house use & EV comes fast.

Estimate 5-8 yrs depending on AC abuse & kms racked up.

Going solar and or EV is starting to become a no brainer.

฿4.4 based on average high rate: