Any reports of denied entry at Chiang Mai

[digbeth]

6 hours ago, pantsonfire said:

Does it have to be cash?  Can i not show my account balance in bangkok bank? 

Does the GF help?

Why would a tourist bother with opening a Thai bank account? 

[pantsonfire]

Just now, digbeth said:

Why would a tourist bother with opening a Thai bank account? 

I had one from many years ago

[problemfarang]

4 minutes ago, pantsonfire said:

So does anyone have a reasonable thing to say to immigration why i want to come back so soon considering i was there for 14 months.  My only intention is to enjoy the ease of resitrictions.  I overstayed as i had acute appendictius and was in a rush to go back.  

i think you just gave the answer... why dont you just tell them as you said: 'My only intention is to enjoy the ease of restrictions and want to enjoy thailand better' ??

Edited April 16, 2022 by problemfarang

[BritTim]

46 minutes ago, pantsonfire said:

I only wish to stay 2 months this time within the 2 months TR Visa.  Not intending to stay longer.  Hopefully with ease of restrictions, i want to enjoy a proper time in Thailand before going back to hands on deck work

Your idea of coming into Chiang Mai with an actual tourist visa is about the safest approach I can think of. The main danger is if you decide to risk a visa exempt entry.

[Mac Mickmanus]

1 hour ago, BKKTRAVELER said:

I'm below 50, not married. I enjoy living here more than in my own country. I spend a lot of money here yearly. I have more than the retirement requirements in my account and in income. What do you want me to do?

 

I don't need to work, I have assets, cash and income from abroad that support me. I invested in condos here before their scheme for visa was up and running.

 

I had Elite before, did it make me more welcome here in your eyes because I spent 500k on a visa? Do you think I have to keep doing that until I have the privilege to be 50 and officially retire here?

Yes, I think you will have to get another Elite visa if you want to stay in Thailand long term .

   There isnt a "I spend a lot of money" visa , so it will have to be an Elite visa 

[Mac Mickmanus]

57 minutes ago, pantsonfire said:

So does anyone have a reasonable thing to say to immigration why i want to come back so soon considering i was there for 14 months.  My only intention is to enjoy the ease of resitrictions.  I overstayed as i had acute appendictius and was in a rush to go back.  

You are asking us for advice on what lies you can tell to immigration ?

   You want to know which would be the best lie to tell ?

[daveAustin]

Defo tourist visa, cash, hotel booked and flight out as back up. Having the overstay isn’t great. If asked, say you were stuck before because of covid and need more time to enjoy the temples now the place is opening up. Serious. 

[Greenwich Boy]

2 hours ago, pantsonfire said:

I will take UK-SIN-CNX flight.   How was immigration there?  I never flown international into CNX.  I would arrive in the morning 10.15 and then if they scrap the Test and Go, then i would be taking the next flight into Bkk

 

Done SIN CNX loads of times in the last 10 years on Tourist Visas and never a hassle. I did the reverse trip last week. Watched the incoming passengers disembark, met by the hazmat crowd. It is the only international flight so immigration wont be packed 

[Caldera]

11 hours ago, pantsonfire said:

has anyone shown 20k on arrival via a thai account?

Technically you can't, the requirement is to carry the cash equivalent.

 

Obviously that doesn't mean that you won't find stories of people being allowed to show a bank account balance or being escorted to an ATM, but there's no guarantee that this inconsistency in enforcement will work in your favor, if you're unlucky enough that you will be asked to show cash.

 

Personally, with your history, I'd definitely have plenty of cash on me to show them if asked. I'd actually avoid mentioning Thai bank accounts or drawing their attention to it.

[pantsonfire]

1 hour ago, Caldera said:

Technically you can't, the requirement is to carry the cash equivalent.

 

Obviously that doesn't mean that you won't find stories of people being allowed to show a bank account balance or being escorted to an ATM, but there's no guarantee that this inconsistency in enforcement will work in your favor, if you're unlucky enough that you will be asked to show cash.

 

Personally, with your history, I'd definitely have plenty of cash on me to show them if asked. I'd actually avoid mentioning Thai bank accounts or drawing their attention to it.

Does it have to be in baht?

[DrJack54]

2 minutes ago, pantsonfire said:

Does it have to be in baht?

Baht or equivalent value currency.

 

[cyril sneer]

why are people being denied entry visa exempt?

[pantsonfire]

2 minutes ago, cyril sneer said:

why are people being denied entry visa exempt?

Mainly for people who has been on covid extensions for the past year for a long time

[cyril sneer]

1 minute ago, pantsonfire said:

Mainly for people who has been on covid extensions for the past year for a long time

oh ok thanks

[BKKTRAVELER]

15 hours ago, problemfarang said:

 

I understand and respect your decision living in thailand and enjoying living here more than your home country. there is nothing funny or wrong about it.

 

Although you also must respect that a country needs a visa to live in. a visa type which gives you permission to live in a country which is not your country. Im sorry but to say i want to live here is.. just not enough.

 

you are simply trying to live in thailand with a tourist visa. its name on it. tourist. 

 

from your post its obvious you have no money problem. so why dont you just do a business and make a reason why you can stay in thailand instead of trying to stay in thailand?

 

this post is also for the OP. so many years on tourist visa, seriously whats your aim? what are you trying to do? 

 

with all respect but i really hope you cannot get TR visa. its just because it feels not fair for the people doing everything right to stay here or live here or work here. But people like you just trying to live here based on TR visas... i mean you dont work, no ED, no charity.. nothing.. common

You misunderstood me. I have never even had a tourist visa in all my 14 years. I may have had 1 actually 13 years ago or so.

 

Anyway, I understand visa purposes, I just wish there were more suitable options for people like me that have their income from abroad and are below 50. I am going on another ED visa right now, which is fine. My Thai skills are already decent but I guess I'll focus on learning to write and read this time. It may be productive in the end.

 

I have opened and invested in a couple of businesses in the past here. They didn't work unfortunately and I am not looking forward to go through it again. I'll stick with what I have in my home country to sustain myself.

 

I wrote it in another thread, I wish people below 50 could obtain long term visas with similar terms as for retirements extensions. Elite visa, although suitable for some, doesn't interest me anymore.

[BKKTRAVELER]

14 hours ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

Yes, I think you will have to get another Elite visa if you want to stay in Thailand long term .

   There isnt a "I spend a lot of money" visa , so it will have to be an Elite visa 

I respect your opinion.

[problemfarang]

57 minutes ago, BKKTRAVELER said:

You misunderstood me. I have never even had a tourist visa in all my 14 years. I may have had 1 actually 13 years ago or so.

 

Anyway, I understand visa purposes, I just wish there were more suitable options for people like me that have their income from abroad and are below 50. I am going on another ED visa right now, which is fine. My Thai skills are already decent but I guess I'll focus on learning to write and read this time. It may be productive in the end.

 

I have opened and invested in a couple of businesses in the past here. They didn't work unfortunately and I am not looking forward to go through it again. I'll stick with what I have in my home country to sustain myself.

 

I wrote it in another thread, I wish people below 50 could obtain long term visas with similar terms as for retirements extensions. Elite visa, although suitable for some, doesn't interest me anymore.

 

i hope you can do what you want. cheers

[pantsonfire]

Having now got my TR Visa and Thai Pass.  I have now over 20k Bhat equivalent in cash ready too.  Now, for onward ticket, does this have to be back to my original destination or can i buy a cheap ticket to Vietnam and show that ?

[DrJack54]

19 minutes ago, pantsonfire said:

Having now got my TR Visa and Thai Pass.  I have now over 20k Bhat equivalent in cash ready too.  Now, for onward ticket, does this have to be back to my original destination or can i buy a cheap ticket to Vietnam and show that ?

You have a tourist visa?

Onward flight not required for airline.

Also not required at Thai passport control on arrival. 

[pantsonfire]

13 minutes ago, DrJack54 said:

You have a tourist visa?

Onward flight not required for airline.

Also not required at Thai passport control on arrival. 

Yes Tourist Visa.  Just concern after coming back so early 1 month away after being in Thailand for 14 months

[DrJack54]

1 minute ago, pantsonfire said:

Yes Tourist Visa.  Just concern after coming back so early 1 month away after being in Thailand for 14 months

As stated you won't need to show onward flight.

With a tourist visa I would be staggered if you had issue to enter Thailand.

Pre covid I exited los a lot for years (every month).

Only personally seen few guys questioned.

From that, my impression is answer with outlined  planned itinerary. 

Sorta like you have set plans even if it's rubbish.

My guess was the few I've seen questioned were entering visa exempt. 

[DrJoy]

On 4/16/2022 at 6:20 PM, Mac Mickmanus said:

Yes, Thailand wants people to have the correct visa , rather than people living in Thailand on tourist visas . 

I guess all countries want that

[DrJack54]

10 minutes ago, DrJoy said:

I guess all countries want that

It would be very easy for Thailand to construct rules that achieved any set of "outcomes" that they want.

The have a rule of max 2 border entries visa exempt per calendar year.

They have zero stated limit on visa exempt via air. Why not? 

Very simple to make a rule. 

Basically just a stuffed up system leaving far too much to guess work. 

 

As for tourist visa to live in a country....prior to covid, I obtained four 3 month multi entry visas to Vietnam every year. 

Simple, clear cut.

 

Edited April 29, 2022 by DrJack54

[Mac Mickmanus]

6 minutes ago, DrJoy said:

I guess all countries want that

Thailand seems to attract a lot of people who want to live there permeantly ,like on a forever holiday  and stay there on various short term visas

[DrJack54]

4 minutes ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

Thailand seems to attract a lot of people who want to live there permeantly ,like on a forever holiday  and stay there on various short term visas

Most SEA countries do allow ongoing stays. 

What's the issue.

Many folk live in Asia as outlined in my post couple above 

 

Edited April 29, 2022 by DrJack54

[Mac Mickmanus]

Just now, DrJack54 said:

It would be very easy for Thailand to construct rules that achieved any set of "rules" that they want.

The have a rule of max 2 border entries visa exempt per calendar year.

They have zero stated limit on visa exempt via air. Why not? 

Very simple to make a rule. 

Basically just a stuffed up system leaving far too much to guess work. 

As for tourist visa to live in a country....prior to covid, I obtained four 3 month multi entry visas to Vietnam. 

Simple, clear cut.

 

The majority of people who stayed in Thailand long term on visa exempt got their visas from land border crossings and maxed out their stay on each "visa".

   These people would unlikely continue staying in Thailand on visa exempts if they had to fly abroad every two months and there must be quite a lot of genuine tourists who arrive by air more than twice per year

[DrJack54]

13 minutes ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

The majority of people who stayed in Thailand long term on visa exempt got their visas from land border crossings and maxed out their stay on each "visa".

   These people would unlikely continue staying in Thailand on visa exempts if they had to fly abroad every two months and there must be quite a lot of genuine tourists who arrive by air more than twice per year

Don't understand any of that.

 

"Genuine Tourist" love that term.

Please provide definition, which I guess will be to do with number of days per year in Thailand. 

Again no such rule exists. 

 

Pre covid with very cheap flights to places such as Saigon it was very easy to exit and obtain tourist visa or reentry visa exempt..

 

Again since Thailand does not have any limit on visa exempt entry via air, they are opening can of worms.

Ridiculous rules for entry. Particularly as I just outlined in previous post. 

Edited April 29, 2022 by DrJack54

[Mac Mickmanus]

1 minute ago, DrJack54 said:

Don't understand any of that.

 

"Genuine Tourist" love that term.

Please provide definition, which I guess will be to do with number of days per year in Thailand. 

Again no such rule exists. 

 

Pre covid with very cheap flights to places such as Saigon it was very easy to exit and obtain tourist visa.

 

Again since Thailand does not have any limit on visa exempt entry via air, they are opening can of worms.

Ridiculous rules for entry. Particularly as I just outlined in previous post. 

A genuine tourist ?

   A person who works in their home Country and goes to Thailand for a holiday .

Prior to Covid , CM to Denang was about 2000 Baht one way , all in all it would work out to paying about 5000 Baht per month just to stay in Thailand on visa costs , compared to 800 Baht per month doing land border runs . 

[DrJack54]

11 minutes ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

 A person who works in their home Country and goes to Thailand for a holiday

Interesting definition.

One I certainly would not support.

 

BTW my pre covid flights DMK to Saigon were ~ 1200baht.

In any event not the point..

 

And you need to examine Thai immigration rules rather than spurious definitions of tourists.

Again Thai can easily take out the guess work and set rules. 

For some reason they have not. 

 

[Caldera]

1 hour ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

A genuine tourist ?

   A person who works in their home Country and goes to Thailand for a holiday

That's a nonsensical definition. People who are e.g. retired or students in their home country can be genuine tourists in Thailand just as well.

 

Longterm tourists are tricky for an immigration officer to assess properly, but ultimately, the question should be: Are they traveling to Thailand for leisure  (which is the textbook definition of a tourist), or do they come to Thailand for other reasons (such as working illegally)?