KhunLA Posted September 20, 2022 Share Posted September 20, 2022 6 minutes ago, Yorkshire Tea said: When will the EV pickups arrive? That's when sales of EVs would take off here, if Ford Ranger, Mazda, Toyota or Isuzu came out with an E-truck, near an ICE price point. Thais love their trucks, and quite practical, as actually use them as. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yorkshire Tea Posted September 20, 2022 Share Posted September 20, 2022 15 minutes ago, KhunLA said: That's when sales of EVs would take off here, if Ford Ranger, Mazda, Toyota or Isuzu came out with an E-truck, near an ICE price point. Thais love their trucks, and quite practical, as actually use them as. MG sell a pickup. They could "break the ice" ???? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post KhunLA Posted September 20, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted September 20, 2022 Popped into the MG dealer today, to ask about financing. Told can not on our order, as already registered to pay cash. While there, she checked the Q, and we are #33 out of 271 vehicles awaiting to arrive in TH. Assume they are all versions of EVs, as others are produced here. #33, but no date, still tentatively Nov 19th, I think, (order date + 6 months) or there abouts, barring any delay. They actually had one, exact same as we ordered that arrived the other day, as none on hand when we did order. Nice to actually get hands on, and any differences, are upgrades, so happy about that. Told if wanting red one, top end model, as she knows we like that color more, but not offered in entry version, they would be available earlier. Guess they overestimated demand. For about 70k more, you get 2 more choices of color (blue/red), more electronics (stuff to krap out we don't use) AND, a sunroof for sunny TH. NO THANKS, although for all the extras, 70k is more than reasonable. Noticed they had a promo for ICE buyers, buy a vehicle, get an EM E-scooter (12k value) free. Actually a nice scooter, and 4k cheaper than HomePro's marked up price, I think. The "arrived lot" was full up, about 6 vehicles. 1 PHEV, 1 HEV, 4 ICEs, besides the ZS EV in the prep bay we looked at. Tic Toc ... hurry up already ... ???? 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HidyHo Posted September 20, 2022 Share Posted September 20, 2022 2 hours ago, Yorkshire Tea said: When will the EV pickups arrive? More importantly for me, when will the world (and Thailand) have more DC fast charging motorcycle/scooters with decent range (at sensible price)? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bandersnatch Posted September 20, 2022 Author Share Posted September 20, 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, HidyHo said: More importantly for me, when will the world (and Thailand) have more DC fast charging motorcycle/scooters with decent range (at sensible price)? This thread has been running for months and we get asked this question every few days. Check out PlugShare for a map of chargers. see my post last week about PTT chargers which are rolling out. MG has CCS2DC every 150km Electric Motorbikes in Thailand seem to be for local trips. Haven’t seen any touring ones yet, but Triumph have a factory here….. https://ridermagazine.com/2022/07/12/triumph-te-1-electric-motorcycle-prototype-unveiled/#:~:text=The Triumph TE-1 electric,60 mph in 3.6 seconds. Edited September 20, 2022 by Bandersnatch 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HidyHo Posted September 20, 2022 Share Posted September 20, 2022 57 minutes ago, Bandersnatch said: This thread has been running for months and we get asked this question every few days. Check out PlugShare for a map of chargers. see my post last week about PTT chargers which are rolling out. MG has CCS2DC every 150km Electric Motorbikes in Thailand seem to be for local trips. Haven’t seen any touring ones yet, but Triumph have a factory here….. https://ridermagazine.com/2022/07/12/triumph-te-1-electric-motorcycle-prototype-unveiled/#:~:text=The Triumph TE-1 electric,60 mph in 3.6 seconds. You misunderstood my question. My question was regarding lack of motorcycles/scooter with fast charging capabilities., not number of charging stations in Thailand. As far as I know, there is only one company, Energica Motor Company, who currently has DC fast charging motorcycles in the market and Energica is not sold in Thailand. I think newly released BMW CE 04 scooter might be fast charging as well but not 100% sure about this (also currently not sold in Thailand). My point is that EV motorcycle seems be very far behind EV automobiles development. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post mistral53 Posted September 20, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted September 20, 2022 12 hours ago, PremiumLane said: I am looking at getting an EV, but wouldn't touch a Tesla with a barge-pole. Far too many issues with cars coming off the production lines with faults, bad body work etc. And if you look at their reviews their customer service is terrible, and would be non-existent in Thailand, right? Anyone know of any longish term reviews of the NETA V? I am not a Tesla fanboy. With that out of the way - the crappy Tesla build quality actually applies only to US made Tesla's, the Chinese get high reviews, even from customers in Germany. I know, this comment will infuriate the China bashers, but there are a good bunch of videos on YT with US and Chinese models compared back to back on the same dealer lot. Last but not least, the US models are getting better, too, just be sure not to fall for what Tesla fanbois label 'luxury' car - except for the price there is not much luxury about Tesla's. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bandersnatch Posted September 20, 2022 Author Share Posted September 20, 2022 7 hours ago, HidyHo said: You misunderstood my question. My question was regarding lack of motorcycles/scooter with fast charging capabilities., not number of charging stations in Thailand. As far as I know, there is only one company, Energica Motor Company, who currently has DC fast charging motorcycles in the market and Energica is not sold in Thailand. I think newly released BMW CE 04 scooter might be fast charging as well but not 100% sure about this (also currently not sold in Thailand). My point is that EV motorcycle seems be very far behind EV automobiles development. Ok sorry about that. With most electric motorbikes sold in Thailand having 1-3kWh batteries fast charging would not be necessary. They are designed to be charged at home or the battery swapped. I saw this swap station at an EV show recently Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bandersnatch Posted September 21, 2022 Author Share Posted September 21, 2022 9 hours ago, mistral53 said: I am not a Tesla fanboy. With that out of the way - the crappy Tesla build quality actually applies only to US made Tesla's, the Chinese get high reviews, even from customers in Germany. I know, this comment will infuriate the China bashers, but there are a good bunch of videos on YT with US and Chinese models compared back to back on the same dealer lot. Last but not least, the US models are getting better, too, just be sure not to fall for what Tesla fanbois label 'luxury' car - except for the price there is not much luxury about Tesla's. Having never driven a Tesla I have to rely on owner reviews on YouTube. The ones I have seen agree with what you say. I have previously posted about BMW and Mercedes-Benz's EV plans in Thailand. Mercedes-Benz will build electric vehicles in Thailand, starting with its flagship electric EQS sedan this year. The Mercedes EQS has a RRP range of £105,610 to £119,610 in the UK so will be probably close to ฿5,000,000 here. BMW EVs start at ฿3,500,000 - no word yet on the BMW iX1 in Thailand. By comparison a RWD Model Y in Australia is about ฿1,700,000. The price in Thailand remains to be seen, but I would consider a less luxurious Tesla EV if the price is right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seedy Posted September 21, 2022 Share Posted September 21, 2022 (edited) Any condo owners / renters - or apartment renters reading this thread ? Curious how many have EV charging points now, or under construction now, and whether they are slow, medium or quick rates. Not interested in "plans" to install by 2035 or some misty, rose colored date in the future. We all know how promises are kept - both here in LOS and all other places on the globe. "We will have ... In the Future ... Plans under way ... and my favorite - Soon" 555 Edited September 21, 2022 by seedy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vinny41 Posted September 22, 2022 Share Posted September 22, 2022 3 hours ago, seedy said: Any condo owners / renters - or apartment renters reading this thread ? Curious how many have EV charging points now, or under construction now, and whether they are slow, medium or quick rates. Not interested in "plans" to install by 2035 or some misty, rose colored date in the future. We all know how promises are kept - both here in LOS and all other places on the globe. "We will have ... In the Future ... Plans under way ... and my favorite - Soon" 555 You should ask the question how many condo owners have formed an association or committee and submitted a detailed business plan including costings to the building owner or management committee detailed business plan should include number of chargers, type of charges, number of dedicated parking spaces required, who will pay for installation and ongoing maintenance of such chargers, how usage will be charged back to each person that uses the facilites and the unit cost taking in all of the above 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gweiloman Posted September 22, 2022 Share Posted September 22, 2022 5 hours ago, seedy said: Any condo owners / renters - or apartment renters reading this thread ? Curious how many have EV charging points now, or under construction now, and whether they are slow, medium or quick rates. Not interested in "plans" to install by 2035 or some misty, rose colored date in the future. We all know how promises are kept - both here in LOS and all other places on the globe. "We will have ... In the Future ... Plans under way ... and my favorite - Soon" 555 1 hour ago, vinny41 said: You should ask the question how many condo owners have formed an association or committee and submitted a detailed business plan including costings to the building owner or management committee detailed business plan should include number of chargers, type of charges, number of dedicated parking spaces required, who will pay for installation and ongoing maintenance of such chargers, how usage will be charged back to each person that uses the facilites and the unit cost taking in all of the above As stated numerous times, an EV might not be a good choice for condo owners/tenants here in Thailand. PHEV is the better choice. Having said that, do we know the percentage of car owners living in condos/flats/apartments vs landed properties? I would venture that the latter is by far a higher percentage. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KhunLA Posted September 23, 2022 Share Posted September 23, 2022 "There are 2,572 power outlets at 869 charging stations nationwide. (TNA)" https://tna.mcot.net/english-news-1024061 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sometime Posted September 23, 2022 Share Posted September 23, 2022 1 hour ago, KhunLA said: "There are 2,572 power outlets at 869 charging stations nationwide. (TNA)" https://tna.mcot.net/english-news-1024061 But they are all charged using fossil fuel, please correct me if I am wrong Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gweiloman Posted September 23, 2022 Share Posted September 23, 2022 13 minutes ago, sometime said: But they are all charged using fossil fuel, please correct me if I am wrong I think that the majority comes from natural gas. A distant 2nd is coal and renewables are about half of coal. This thread does not talk about climate change, just about practicality, affordability etc 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KhunLA Posted September 23, 2022 Share Posted September 23, 2022 (edited) 2 hours ago, Gweiloman said: I think that the majority comes from natural gas. A distant 2nd is coal and renewables are about half of coal. This thread does not talk about climate change, just about practicality, affordability etc natural gas Compared with some other fossil fuels, natural gas emits the least amount of carbon dioxide into the air when combusted -- making natural gas the cleanest burning fossil fuel of all. It's a work in progress and TH is struggling. Those of us not waiting for others to solve the problem have already or will be going solar in the near future. Edited September 23, 2022 by KhunLA Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mistral53 Posted September 24, 2022 Share Posted September 24, 2022 On 9/23/2022 at 10:12 PM, KhunLA said: natural gas Compared with some other fossil fuels, natural gas emits the least amount of carbon dioxide into the air when combusted -- making natural gas the cleanest burning fossil fuel of all. It's a work in progress and TH is struggling. Those of us not waiting for others to solve the problem have already or will be going solar in the near future. Obviously meant to obfuscate, not meant to be for information - I am actually surprised that not all was colored identical, even a 6 year old could have done better.......... TH is indeed struggling! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KhunLA Posted September 24, 2022 Share Posted September 24, 2022 (edited) 5 hours ago, mistral53 said: Obviously meant to obfuscate, not meant to be for information - I am actually surprised that not all was colored identical, even a 6 year old could have done better.......... TH is indeed struggling! Actually it's a bit worse than struggling as Thailand is actually going backwards. 2010 Thailand was using natural gas for over 70% of their energy production. Thailand only has a couple years left of natural gas themselves, so in the future most will have to be imported. Coal and oil obviously being cheaper as they're using more of it instead of importing more natural gas. Solar would be the obvious solution but politicians don't make policy, corporations do. Edited September 24, 2022 by KhunLA Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gomangosteen Posted September 25, 2022 Share Posted September 25, 2022 Electric vehicles, of sorts, these appear to breeding locally in Chanthaburi, driven either in the motorcycle lanes or the main laned-roads. Somewhere between golf cart and mobility scooter. Just one more hazard to be aware of. They are Ecolo brand - not designed for highway use ! though that 300kg capacity should hold the heaviest farang Aand a carton of Chang? High efficiency motor 60V 1200W 3-level acceleration handle Sealed AGM batteries 45Ah | 5 x 12V Total weight 275 kg including batteries Dimensions 1970 mm x 970 mm x 1540 mm Range ≤80 km Maximum speed 30 km/h 60V | charger Charging time 6-8 hours Load capacity 300 kg Climbing capacity 25° Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gomangosteen Posted September 25, 2022 Share Posted September 25, 2022 and a step up from the Ecolo in my previous post Porsche Panamera 4 ehybrid Owners have two, a his and hers pair - one black, one white Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KhunLA Posted September 25, 2022 Share Posted September 25, 2022 (edited) 20 minutes ago, gomangosteen said: Ecolo brand - ... Sealed AGM batteries 45Ah | 5 x 12V Wish they'd put one out reasonably priced with a lithium phosphate battery. Another brand widely available is iMio mini EV. BUT ... no lithium batteries Cheapest 'mini' with lithium, POCCO & Wuling is 450-500k, so why bother, just get the Neta V for much better specs Edited September 25, 2022 by KhunLA 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Bandersnatch Posted September 26, 2022 Author Popular Post Share Posted September 26, 2022 Interesting article by the South China Morning Post (published in Hong Kong) about the state of the EV industry in Thailand. https://www.scmp.com/week-asia/economics/article/3193163/chinas-byd-launch-new-suv-thailand-effort-spark-countrys 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KhunLA Posted September 26, 2022 Share Posted September 26, 2022 Another Atto 3 news-blip, dated the 9th Sept, with 2 versions; 49.9 & 60.4kW battery ... hmm https://autolifethailand.tv/byd-rever-atto-3-coming-thailand-10-oct/ Includes an interesting comparison 'chart' vs other makers. Not a whole lot of difference really, dimension wise. Compared to the B-SUV / Crossover group, the BYD Atto 3 is the largest in the car segment of this size. Haval Jolion: 4,472 x 1,841 x 1,619 mm / wheelbase 2,700 mm. Honda HR-V: 4,385 x 1,790 x 1,590 mm / wheelbase 2,610 mm. Toyota Corolla Cross: 4,460 x 1,825 x 1,620 mm / wheelbase 2,640 mm. Mazda CX-30: 4,395 x 1,795 x 1,540 mm. / Wheelbase 2,655 mm. Nissan Kicks: 4,384 x 1,813 x 1,656 mm / wheelbase 2,673 mm. Peugeot 2008: 4,300 x 1,770 x 1,530 mm / wheelbase 2,650 mm. MG ZS EV : 4,323 x 1809 x 1,649 mm / wheelbase 2,585 mm. BYD Atto 3 : 4,455 x 1,875 x 1,615 mm / wheelbase 2,720 mm. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post mistral53 Posted September 28, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted September 28, 2022 (edited) Here is a guy who did the impossible - installed his wall-charger in a condo parking space......... how dare you! BTW - the MG wall charger has a RF card for authentication, nobody will steal juice at his expense. https://www.facebook.com/groups/371214200817703/permalink/778110910128028/ Edited September 28, 2022 by mistral53 add 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zoolander Posted September 28, 2022 Share Posted September 28, 2022 We ordered a MG EV and although MG fit the charger. We must install the wire from our dedicated meter and supply a box to house the charger at about 10k baht. Is this right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
macahoom Posted September 28, 2022 Share Posted September 28, 2022 (edited) 51 minutes ago, zoolander said: We ordered a MG EV and although MG fit the charger. We must install the wire from our dedicated meter and supply a box to house the charger at about 10k baht. Is this right? When I bought my MGZS EV over three years ago, the MG wallbox was supplied and installed for free with up to 15 metres of cable. They did a really neat job, even though it was a tricky installation. No box was needed to house it. They must have changed the design. Sounds like things may be different now. Edited September 28, 2022 by macahoom 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zoolander Posted September 29, 2022 Share Posted September 29, 2022 Thanks, will update when the car eventually arrives. 5 months waiting already 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KhunLA Posted September 29, 2022 Share Posted September 29, 2022 1 hour ago, zoolander said: Thanks, will update when the car eventually arrives. 5 months waiting already Since May 19th here, so Nov 19th or abouts. Ours states free install, and as you say, will update and see how far that is. To our 'box' is about 5 meters. I interpret free install as, working before y'all leave, not just stuck on the wall ???? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vinny41 Posted September 29, 2022 Share Posted September 29, 2022 17 hours ago, zoolander said: We ordered a MG EV and although MG fit the charger. We must install the wire from our dedicated meter and supply a box to house the charger at about 10k baht. Is this right? Have you had a charger installation team come out and do a survey on your power supply my understanding is your power supply must meet certain requirements as per this link https://www.mea.or.th/profile/3361/3440 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bandersnatch Posted September 29, 2022 Author Share Posted September 29, 2022 22 hours ago, zoolander said: supply a box to house the charger at about 10k baht. My MG wall box was installed under cover so no box was required to protect it from the sun and the rain If like most Thai houses you don’t have a wrap around roof a box is required like this one. I don’t have a dedicated meter as I persuaded MG to allow me to charge my MG from my solar system. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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