Electric Vehicles in Thailand

[Jake72]

For people looking for actual info, these are the fast charging stations in Thailand: Make sure you can charge at home if you buy and EV.

 

[transam]

1 minute ago, Jake72 said:

For people looking for actual info, these are the fast charging stations in Thailand: Make sure you can charge at home if you buy and EV.

 

Agree, and plan long range trips wiv loads of charge stations on route just in case there are queues or out of order.........

[Bandersnatch]

58 minutes ago, Jake72 said:

Reposting, actual number of 100kW+ chargers in Thailand, anything else is a lie.

OMG he’s back accusing everybody of lying again.

 

 

Claiming to have driven a model 3 in BKK but several years, but Tesla only started selling in Thailand in December 2022.

 

 

[Bandersnatch]

23 minutes ago, Jake72 said:

For people looking for actual info, these are the fast charging stations in Thailand: Make sure you can charge at home if you buy and EV.

 

 

For people looking for actual Factual info, please ignore the map posted above as these are not the fast charging stations in Thailand: Make sure you ignore the poster who doesn’t drive an EV so is not up to date with the latest developments in EV charging infrastructure in Thailand 

 

 

https://evat.or.th/images/evinfo/current-status/2024-03/EVAT-Charging-Station-December2023.pdf

[KhunLA]

29 minutes ago, transam said:

Agree, and plan long range trips wiv loads of charge stations on route just in case there are queues or out of order.........

No major planning needed, and I rarely even bother now, unless going way off the beaten track, and still, no concerns now, as know there really isn't any place we'd go, that doesn't have a convenient charging station.   Quick peek at Charge Loma app, and reassured nothing to think about.

 

First two O&As were planned, a bit paranoid myself, along with only being registered with 1 vendor / MG.

 

Which true to their promo advert, almost, have a charging station every 150 kms.  Once realized, no paranoia or worries, or major planning after that.

[JBChiangRai]

2 hours ago, Bandersnatch said:

 

For people looking for actual Factual info, please ignore the map posted above as these are not the fast charging stations in Thailand: Make sure you ignore the poster who doesn’t drive an EV so is not up to date with the latest developments in EV charging infrastructure in Thailand 

 

 

https://evat.or.th/images/evinfo/current-status/2024-03/EVAT-Charging-Station-December2023.pdf

I can’t see the MG charger network there

[Pib]

7 minutes ago, JBChiangRai said:

I can’t see the MG charger network there

 

The chart/snapshot above didn't include the Notes area which explains why the MG charger network not being shown.

 

[KhunLA]

[Pib]

11 hours ago, vinny41 said:

This website https://web.dlt.go.th/statistics/

is the DLT  which is the same source that autolifethailand is using except for their figures that are taking 

 R.Y.1 Private passenger car with no more than 7 people plus R.Y.6 Vehicles for hire carrying no more than 7 passengers plus an unknown vehicle class or classes  as there is 11 vehicles missing

Someone asked me once do I believe everything that journalist writes it does help when  you understand how they are producing figures

By using the DLT stats I can get the 5001 EV registered for March 2024 to match the autolifethailand article by adding the RY1 ,RY3, RY6, RY9, and RY10 categories.  Definition of the categories below.   

 

And before someone says the RY9 business category must have many vehicles, well, no it don't as there was only a total of 10 ICEV/EV in this category for March with 1 of the 10 registrations being an EV registration.....that 1 was an Aion model.

 

 And yea, I don't think the journalist is identifying all the various RY categories being counted and the categories being counted has probably expanded over the last year as more EV manufacturers and models come to the Thai market. 

 

[ExpatOilWorker]

4 hours ago, KhunLA said:

More cherry pickin' BS ... as my car won't even accept 100kW.  Some, most would consider that as being a bit deceptive ...  

 

Keep repeating your BS, but few are dumb enough to believe it.

 

Try filtering 50kWh & up, and don't use the online site, use the app, as more up to date.  Better yet, use Charge Loma, even more up to date, though not completely, and you can simply filter the most popular 'fast plug'

 

As I've already posted:

That is a mind-boggling high density of charging station, presumably all build in the last 2 years.

Does the app show the total number of public charging stations, all sizes and speed included?

[ExpatOilWorker]

7 hours ago, JBChiangRai said:

What is important is the ratio of new EV's to new ICE.  I didn't consider a slump in the entire auto industry.  If the ratio starts to decrease over 3 months consecutively, then I will indeed concede EV's have a problem.

You have a new lease on life, based on your new EV market share metrics.

I have made a little chart, just for you. It was a close call in February and starting May the first ray of summer sun ☀️ might start to shine.

 

[Bandersnatch]

46 minutes ago, ExpatOilWorker said:

You have a new lease on life, based on your new EV market share metrics.

I have made a little chart, just for you. It was a close call in February and starting May the first ray of summer sun ☀️ might start to shine.

 

visual representation of data is always appreciated. I hope you keep it updated. 
 

The Dec’23 & Jan’24 figures have probably resulted in less EV sales in the early part of 2024.

 

A bunch of us in this discussion, myself included, purchased EVs at the end of last year to beat lowering of the EV incentives. 

[BKKBike09]

8 hours ago, ExpatOilWorker said:

Of course,  but only with the right driver.

 

 

 

I'd have thought you'd be well over 220 at nearly 6,000 rpm. What's wrong!

 

[KhunLA]

2 hours ago, ExpatOilWorker said:

That is a mind-boggling high density of charging station, presumably all build in the last 2 years.

Does the app show the total number of public charging stations, all sizes and speed included?

You can filter different vendors and plugs, fast/slow.  I usually just filter the 4 we use;  EV Station Pluz, PEA Volta,. MG, , Elexa, in that order of preference.  Signed up for 2 others, but yet to use, Evolta and Altervim (@ Lotus's)

 

Map I posted shows all vendors, though most don't have a large network.  The app, Charge Loma is better than PlugShare & Gmaps, but not nearly up to date.  

 

If I'm thinking of stopping, I'll peek at the app, then ask the wife to check the vendor app, usually EV St. Pluz, and ask if both plugs are being use, at so and so, 10kms away. as only one showing within 30 or 40 kms, then she'll tell there's one 5 kms & 15kms away.  EV Stat Pluz is adding so fast the app can't keep up.  Seems to agree & have most of the PEA Volta CS.

 

Here's map of the 4 we use, along with just the one plug we use,  Not a whole lot different from previous map:

 

 

With just these 5 filters, and don't bother with 'on maintenance' filter, as usually wrong:

 

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[vinny41]

5 hours ago, Pib said:

By using the DLT stats I can get the 5001 EV registered for March 2024 to match the autolifethailand article by adding the RY1 ,RY3, RY6, RY9, and RY10 categories.  Definition of the categories below.   

 

And before someone says the RY9 business category must have many vehicles, well, no it don't as there was only a total of 10 ICEV/EV in this category for March with 1 of the 10 registrations being an EV registration.....that 1 was an Aion model.

 

 And yea, I don't think the journalist is identifying all the various RY categories being counted and the categories being counted has probably expanded over the last year as more EV manufacturers and models come to the Thai market. 

 

Thanks for the detailed explanation

DLT updated their website late yesterday with a new spreadsheet named Fuel_NewCar_Mar67

using the RY1 ,RY3, RY6, RY9, and RY10 categories. the total number of BEV registered in March was 5,004

DLT also make corrections to Fuel_NewCar_2023 where autolifethailand showed 76,314 BEV

and using the RY1 ,RY3, RY6, RY9, and RY10 categories. DLT is showing an extra 39 BEV vehicles 

2023 shows little interest in PHEV 

Diesel PHEV 208 registered in 2023

Petrol PHEV 11,495 registered in 2023

HEV are the 3rd most popular fuel choice after petrol and diesel with 84,229 registrations in 2023

 

[ExpatOilWorker]

On 4/3/2024 at 10:35 AM, Pib said:

Now if some world event like another oil price shock comes about then that will cause EV sales to surge..

Your wish has been granted 🎩 🪄 🔮. 

 

[JBChiangRai]

11 hours ago, Pib said:

 

The chart/snapshot above didn't include the Notes area which explains why the MG charger network not being shown.

 

 

If you can get hold of the MG card or app, you can use the MG fast chargers with other cars, they are just branded versions of one of the major networks, I forget which one, but I have used one on a non MG car without any problems.  You are supposed to be able to buy a card at MG but the one dealership I found wasn't able to get it working in the days before we got our first MG EV

 

10 hours ago, ExpatOilWorker said:

You have a new lease on life, based on your new EV market share metrics.

I have made a little chart, just for you. It was a close call in February and starting May the first ray of summer sun ☀️ might start to shine.

 

 

I prefer to keep it simple, I'm not interested in RY this or RY that, just plain simple statistics.  I do think what is important is whether people are turning to EV's or not, and the ratio of new registrations tells us if it's happening or not.

[Gweiloman]

All this talk above about sales figures are interesting but I don’t really consider it as very relevant when talking about whether EVs are a good purchase or not. What is ultimately most important is the owner’s’ experiences and whether he/she would recommend it to others and/or purchase another when the time comes.

 

i recently had some friends from Aus and Hkg visiting for a few days so I was ferrying the 6 of us all over CM, going for meals, shopping, massages etc. Some of the time, my other half (typical Thai girl size) would actually sit in the boot while 3 adults were in the back seat. When the boot was full with bags of goodies, then there would be 4 adults in the back row. This is easily possible without too much discomfort in an EV as there isn’t a transmission tunnel. A real positive in an EV compared to an ICEV.

 

When we got back to the AirBnb, I just plugged it in to charge for as long as we were stationary, saving time and expense along the way. Yet another positive over an ICEV.

 

For those genuinely researching EVs, this is the real world. Ignore the ignoramuses such as IQ72 and his obsolete supporters, some of whom I believe are secretly envious and their uneducated and sometimes bald faced lies about charging and so on. Real (not claimed Tesla) EV owners and drivers will tell you the unadulterated truth, warts and all.

[KhunLA]

44 minutes ago, Gweiloman said:

All this talk above about sales figures are interesting but I don’t really consider it as very relevant when talking about whether EVs are a good purchase or not. What is ultimately most important is the owner’s’ experiences and whether he/she would recommend it to others and/or purchase another when the time comes.

 

i recently had some friends from Aus and Hkg visiting for a few days so I was ferrying the 6 of us all over CM, going for meals, shopping, massages etc. Some of the time, my other half (typical Thai girl size) would actually sit in the boot while 3 adults were in the back seat. When the boot was full with bags of goodies, then there would be 4 adults in the back row. This is easily possible without too much discomfort in an EV as there isn’t a transmission tunnel. A real positive in an EV compared to an ICEV.

 

When we got back to the AirBnb, I just plugged it in to charge for as long as we were stationary, saving time and expense along the way. Yet another positive over an ICEV.

 

For those genuinely researching EVs, this is the real world. Ignore the ignoramuses such as IQ72 and his obsolete supporters, some of whom I believe are secretly envious and their uneducated and sometimes bald faced lies about charging and so on. Real (not claimed Tesla) EV owners and drivers will tell you the unadulterated truth, warts and all.

I'm actually hoping sales level off, and mainly so the ratio of EVs on the road, and ratio of CSs remain the same, as long as they are still able to make a profit with numbers already available  & using.  

 

Along with no price war and more sales, keeping the value of our EV, higher, in case ever wanting to sell it, though doubtful.

 

Yea I know ... very selfish of me, but it is all about .... Me Me Me 

 

If wanting to read about some real life experiences, there are 2 thread running, under used or viewed, and not trolled nearly as much.   The good, the annoyances, and even the bad, maybe.

 

Started by that super genius, in his own EV bubble world.

... owning

... Charging stations

[idealistic123]

Before writing my verdict about the last few days with the BYD Atto 3 I want to point out that this has been my first experience using an EV as my daily driver.  
Due to that I haven’t been able to sign up with all the companies that provide charging stations.
In fact I only charged at PEA Volta stations since I wasn’t able to use my Thai Debit card with most other providers. 
(The bank still has my old phone number that’s why I couldn’t receive the OTP-Code that you need for verification...my fault). 
 

I really like the Atto 3. 
It’s fun to drive, comfortable and spacious.

The only thing I don’t like is the interior.
But that’s just my personal taste. 

 

So would I buy an EV?
Absolutely, going back to oil, gas and all the mechanical parts feels like going back to the past. 
Also driving an EV in Thailand is so much cheaper than driving an ICE. 
(EV: ~100 THB / 100km @ 15kWh and 6 THB per kWH - ICE: ~270 @ 7liter and 39 THB per liter) 

 

But can I imagine owning an EV without having a Wall Box at home? 

 

Unfortunately, no. 

 

Granny charging is ok but at the 1,8 kWh  that I got at our house you need 9 hours to add 100km of range. 

Better than nothing but not really satisfied with this idea. 
 

The public charging infrastructure is ok as well. 
However I passed a lot of charging stations throughout the days and many were occupied.

Sometimes even with people waiting in line. 

Also charging speeds are rather slow. (Claimed 120kW stations only charging at 45kW) 

 

All in all I’m just not the type of guy that enjoys driving to gas stations and sitting there for 30-60 minutes. 
Currently sitting in the car for 40 minutes already while writing this post and I’m already kind of annoyed. 
 

So my verdict is:
EV yes if I was able to install a wall box at home and charge there more efficiently. Ideally combined with some solar panels.

I’m just a tenant so this isn’t an option at the moment.  

Being dependent on public chargers and planning my daily life so that I only visit places with chargers nearby isn’t an option for me. 

[Gweiloman]

10 minutes ago, idealistic123 said:

Before writing my verdict about the last few days with the BYD Atto 3 I want to point out that this has been my first experience using an EV as my daily driver.  
Due to that I haven’t been able to sign up with all the companies that provide charging stations.
In fact I only charged at PEA Volta stations since I wasn’t able to use my Thai Debit card with most other providers. 
(The bank still has my old phone number that’s why I couldn’t receive the OTP-Code that you need for verification...my fault). 
 

I really like the Atto 3. 
It’s fun to drive, comfortable and spacious.

The only thing I don’t like is the interior.
But that’s just my personal taste. 

 

So would I buy an EV?
Absolutely, going back to oil, gas and all the mechanical parts feels like going back to the past. 
Also driving an EV in Thailand is so much cheaper than driving an ICE. 
(EV: ~100 THB / 100km @ 15kWh and 6 THB per kWH - ICE: ~270 @ 7liter and 39 THB per liter) 

 

But can I imagine owning an EV without having a Wall Box at home? 

 

Unfortunately, no. 

 

Granny charging is ok but at the 1,8 kWh  that I got at our house you need 9 hours to add 100km of range. 

Better than nothing but not really satisfied with this idea. 
 

The public charging infrastructure is ok as well. 
However I passed a lot of charging stations throughout the days and many were occupied.

Sometimes even with people waiting in line. 

Also charging speeds are rather slow. (Claimed 120kW stations only charging at 45kW) 

 

All in all I’m just not the type of guy that enjoys driving to gas stations and sitting there for 30-60 minutes. 
Currently sitting in the car for 40 minutes already while writing this post and I’m already kind of annoyed. 
 

So my verdict is:
EV yes if I was able to install a wall box at home and charge there more efficiently. Ideally combined with some solar panels.

I’m just a tenant so this isn’t an option at the moment.  

Being dependent on public chargers and planning my daily life so that I only visit places with chargers nearby isn’t an option for me. 

Well said. As many of us have stated previously, the ability to charge at home is very important. I have a wall charger but believe it or not, I hardly use it. If I’m at home during the day, I usually just use my granny charger as I have solar and my wall charger is on another circuit. This is normally sufficient for my daily driving. Over the weekend, I charge it up fully as I have TOU as well.

 

With an EV, it’s always better to charge when you can rather than when you have to. This becomes second nature in no time. I’ve done over 6,000 km in my Dolphin and I’m yet to visit a public charging station.

[JBChiangRai]

12 minutes ago, idealistic123 said:

 

So my verdict is:
EV yes if I was able to install a wall box at home and charge there more efficiently. Ideally combined with some solar panels.

I’m just a tenant so this isn’t an option at the moment.  

 

 

When my 2 daughters started at University in Chiang Mai, we initially rented a house whilst we looked around for something to buy.

 

I asked the landlord if I could fit an external 32 amp socket for EV charging, with permission granted I paid an electrician to do that with a new 40 amp breaker in the consumer unit who charged me 3,000 baht.

 

Your landlord will probably allow you to do this as it adds value to the house and future tenants may well have EV's.

 

At our new house in Chiang Mai, we fitted the same 32 amp socket outside and used the same MG wallbox with the 32 amp plug I had wired to it, but this time we screwed it to our wall.

 

You could ask your landlord?

[JBChiangRai]

10 minutes ago, JBChiangRai said:

 

When my 2 daughters started at University in Chiang Mai, we initially rented a house whilst we looked around for something to buy.

 

I asked the landlord if I could fit an external 32 amp socket for EV charging, with permission granted I paid an electrician to do that with a new 40 amp breaker in the consumer unit who charged me 3,000 baht.

 

Your landlord will probably allow you to do this as it adds value to the house and future tenants may well have EV's.

 

At our new house in Chiang Mai, we fitted the same 32 amp socket outside and used the same MG wallbox with the 32 amp plug I had wired to it, but this time we screwed it to our wall.

 

You could ask your landlord?

 

[ExpatOilWorker]

22 minutes ago, JBChiangRai said:

At our new house in Chiang Mai,

Wait, what now? Mr. Chiang Rai lives in Chiang Mai? 😕 

[JBChiangRai]

18 minutes ago, ExpatOilWorker said:

Wait, what now? Mr. Chiang Rai lives in Chiang Mai? 😕 

 

We have more than one house.

 

My daughters live in CM term-time and in Chiang Rai during holidays (currently have 3 months holiday).

 

I do go to CM for long weekends every 2 or 3 weeks.

[Bandersnatch]

58 minutes ago, idealistic123 said:

The only thing I don’t like is the interior.
But that’s just my personal taste. 

 

Also now available in black with Dark interior

 

 

[JBChiangRai]

Just now, Bandersnatch said:

 

Also now available in black with Dark interior

 

 

 

choice of blue/black or grey/black IIRC

[vinny41]

13 hours ago, ExpatOilWorker said:

You have a new lease on life, based on your new EV market share metrics.

I have made a little chart, just for you. It was a close call in February and starting May the first ray of summer sun ☀️ might start to shine.

 

It would be useful to include HEV figures in your chart

2024 registrations figures to the end of March are

Total BEV 22,332
Total HEV 38,100

 

[Pib]

7 hours ago, vinny41 said:

Thanks for the detailed explanation

DLT updated their website late yesterday with a new spreadsheet named Fuel_NewCar_Mar67

using the RY1 ,RY3, RY6, RY9, and RY10 categories. the total number of BEV registered in March was 5,004

DLT also make corrections to Fuel_NewCar_2023 where autolifethailand showed 76,314 BEV

and using the RY1 ,RY3, RY6, RY9, and RY10 categories. DLT is showing an extra 39 BEV vehicles 

2023 shows little interest in PHEV 

Diesel PHEV 208 registered in 2023

Petrol PHEV 11,495 registered in 2023

HEV are the 3rd most popular fuel choice after petrol and diesel with 84,229 registrations in 2023

 

 

That's the spreadsheet I was using.  I just downloaded it again at 9:45am/today/5Apr and still get 5,001.  See the cells I have Excel totalling up which represent above mentioned RY categories.

 

[JBChiangRai]

5 minutes ago, vinny41 said:

It would be useful to include HEV figures in your chart

2024 registrations figures to the end of March are

Total BEV 22,332
Total HEV 38,100

 

 

I think HEV figures are largely irrelevant but I do think PHEV is relevant.