57 minutes ago, The Hammer2021 said:

Sadly our local tiger  zoo near Pattaya has closed I think

Nothing sad about that.

17 hours ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

Since when were you asked and nominated to speak on behalf of tigers ?

Tigers, like cats , enjoy being stroked 

Do they enjoy being drugged and held in captivity? Azz

3 minutes ago, LikeItHot said:

Do they enjoy being drugged and held in captivity? Azz

Well they arent drugged and being in a tiger camp is better then being dead 

1 hour ago, Captain Monday said:

Maybe it is Xanax. The bigs ones suitable for petting  are active but mellow, 

Maybe they have a few spliffs ?

3 minutes ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

Maybe they have a few spliffs ?

They drug them and kill them for parts. Don't be an idiot. 

8 minutes ago, LikeItHot said:

They drug them and kill them for parts. Don't be an idiot. 

I am talking about the  Tiger  Kingdom in Chiang Mai, where they aren't drugged or killed for body parts 

17 hours ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

Since when were you asked and nominated to speak on behalf of tigers ?

Tigers, like cats , enjoy being stroked 

Try to do that on one who isn't heavily sedated and report back.

16 hours ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

They are not wild tigers , they are tame , they were born in captivity and are happy being around humans 

You interviewed them?

15 hours ago, cliveshep said:

Thus far only one person has answered my question, thanks for the4 info on Pattaya Zoo. Quite a lot of posts from the tree huggers I specifically asked not to bother to chime in, we know your views and feelings, I do not want to hear more of them.

 

My son went to wash elephants in Chiang Mai's rivers, came back full of how elephant places abused elephants and how we must not ride on them as the poor things suffer from bad backs etc. Utter cobblers of course but that is what these so-called animal lovers tell them. Of course he was horrified when I told him that no one wants a redundant working animal or could look after it or afford to feed it so now tractors and winches have replaced elephants what did he suggest, apart from a bullet, be done with them?

 

He had no answer, and none of the tree huggers can answer that question sensibly.  "Elephant sanctuaries" they will say  glibly, because that is what they have been told. Fine, who pays for those? Who buys the land, puts elephant-proof fences around it so they don't wander off and scoff some poor farmers crops? Who pays the men to care for them? Who pays the fodder bill day after day for 5o years or more? Ditto tiger sanctuaries where tourists don't visit or interact. Who pays?

 

Funny really, the most vociferous animal rights proponents cannot answer that question. They'll glibly tell you endangered species must be protected, but cannot think of a way to do it that isn't going to cost an awful lot of money. So elephant football actually works, as does elephant artistry, the animals get some  exercise, earn money which pays for their keep.

 

Same with tigers, those 140 odd tigers in Kanchanaburi were bonded to the monks in a personal way, went for daily walks, were human-socialised. So maybe some cubs were killed and income derived from body parts - yes, it is a hateful business but tigers are NOT pussy cats, they eat a lot and that costs a lot. The monks managed to keep 140 odd tigers self-supporting and contented and no evidence of drugging. Along come do-gooders, government takes the cats away and 2/3 die in cramped cages. For me they were better off exploited for tourists, they got fed, walked, socialised and were not locked away in cramped quarters with no sort of life.

 

And apart from some looney-toons pushing my buttons, is there anywhere else apart from Pattaya?

Tree Hugger? Thats code for "climate change denier" right?

28 minutes ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

I am talking about the  Tiger  Kingdom in Chiang Mai, where they aren't drugged or killed for body parts 

Chiang Mai Tiger Kingdom. A money making machine purely for profit not for the tigers welfare.

 

Tiger Kingdom runs a breeding program, which operates under the guise of being part of their “conservation” efforts. However, after being hand-reared these tigers can never be released into the wild, raising the question as to what the funds generated by the facility are actually going towards. Hand-reared is essentially a euphemism for saying that cubs are taken from their mothers at a young age and raised by humans instead. Doing so makes tigers completely reliant on humans for food and care, rendering them virtually unable to fend for themselves in the wild.

15 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

Chiang Mai Tiger Kingdom. A money making machine purely for profit not for the tigers welfare.

 

Tiger Kingdom runs a breeding program, which operates under the guise of being part of their “conservation” efforts. However, after being hand-reared these tigers can never be released into the wild, raising the question as to what the funds generated by the facility are actually going towards. Hand-reared is essentially a euphemism for saying that cubs are taken from their mothers at a young age and raised by humans instead. Doing so makes tigers completely reliant on humans for food and care, rendering them virtually unable to fend for themselves in the wild.

Usually when left with the Mother  , about two out of seven tiger Cubs survive to reach adult hood , when the Tiger Kingdom take care of the tiger cubs, they all reach adulthood .

   

38 minutes ago, FritsSikkink said:

You interviewed them?

I have visited the place quite a few times 

38 minutes ago, FritsSikkink said:

You interviewed them?

I have visited the place quite a few times 

5 hours ago, Bkk Brian said:

Phuket Zoo years ago at the Tiger enclosure. Handler had no arm due to an attack, not my video but I remember going there and seeing him. Never went there again, disgusting place and fortunately now shut down

 

Yes... absolutely abhorrent place.

A zoo seen from inside : the guy doesn't speak of drugged animals, but of what happens in this sort of place, how the animals are treated

 

Thailand Zoo Declaws Tigers So Tourists Can Take Selfies With Them - The Dodo

17 hours ago, cliveshep said:

Tigers too like petting but not the silly soft sort that tickles them! 

The above sentence in your post is incomplete.  It should read:

 

"Drugged or domesticated tigers too like petting but not the silly soft sort that tickles them!"

45 minutes ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

Usually when left with the Mother  , about two out of seven tiger Cubs survive to reach adult hood , when the Tiger Kingdom take care of the tiger cubs, they all reach adulthood .

   

Yeah battery hens have similar survival rates.

5 minutes ago, Adumbration said:

Yeah battery hens have similar survival rates.

As do Humans

59 minutes ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

Usually when left with the Mother  , about two out of seven tiger Cubs survive to reach adult hood , when the Tiger Kingdom take care of the tiger cubs, they all reach adulthood .

   

In captivity and not in the wild, their natural habitat

30 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

In captivity and not in the wild, their natural habitat

Both . 

The survival rates are much higher when humans care for the cubs 

7 minutes ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

Both . 

The survival rates are much higher when humans care for the cubs 

A new alternative David Attenborough with a brand new outlook on wildlife conservation.

 

Try watching the original one first before making any further comments on a tiger or its cubs best interests

1 minute ago, Bkk Brian said:

A new alternative David Attenborough with a brand new outlook on wildlife conservation.

 

Try watching the original one first before making any further comments on a tiger or its cubs best interests

What does David Attenborough say in the documentary  ?

Slightly OT, but is there anywhere in Thailand I can see abusive tourists being mauled by abused tigers?

 

Or maybe selfish tourists being stomped by captive elephants?

 

I've already seen a professional animal tormenter getting his head bitten by a crocodile, and that was a good laugh.

What an imagination, tigers are tame because they are hand raised, and they like that you pet them…....what ignorant from grown up people. 
i suggest to take a close eye ( 24 hours)for one week to them, to see if they are drugged or not….if not…try to pet them…….!

1 minute ago, Brayka said:

What an imagination, tigers are tame because they are hand raised, and they like that you pet them…....what ignorant from grown up people. 
i suggest to take a close eye ( 24 hours)for one week to them, to see if they are drugged or not….if not…try to pet them…….!

What about cats and dogs , which are similar to Tigers . 

Are people who say that cats and dogs like to be stroked are they ignorant as well ?

BTW , why do you think that tigers dont like to be stroked ?

2 hours ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

What about cats and dogs , which are similar to Tigers . 

Are people who say that cats and dogs like to be stroked are they ignorant as well ?

BTW , why do you think that tigers dont like to be stroked ?

Try to pet my cat and dogs without knowing them ????

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They do not like foreigners, and it takes times to build trust.

 

Some they like more than others, and a few they will never let to pet them.

 

Same for us humans, we do not liked to be touched by everyone either.

1 minute ago, Hummin said:

Try to pet my cat and dogs without knowing them ????

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They do not like foreigners, and it takes times to build trust.

 

Some they like more than others, and a few they will never let to pet them.

 

 

Same, I've got 2 loving cats that enjoy touching and stroking but any strangers in the house approah them and they will hiss violently to them.

I know the minority of posters who think animal abuse for their own entertainment is OK will trot out the usual excuses, but I think this article makes it clear that "petting" tigers is a form of abuse ....

 

https://www.peta.org/features/find-real-tiger-sanctuary-big-cats-not-exploited/

3 minutes ago, Kinnock said:

I know the minority of posters who think animal abuse for their own entertainment is OK will trot out the usual excuses, but I think this article makes it clear that "petting" tigers is a form of abuse ....

 

https://www.peta.org/features/find-real-tiger-sanctuary-big-cats-not-exploited/

Some people do not understand what abuse is, be it humans, animals or our home the planet we live on.

 

Easy to find "valid" excuses" to continue to keep the abuse going and even feel good about it, since they are truly helping and saving the species by paying to pet them. Not!

 

There are some really good zoos, and sanctuaries around the world, who actually saving the threatening species, but none of them let outsiders interact with them and let them pay to pet them.

 

 

 

 

Why are tigers in Thailand drugged?

 

 

“Tigers and other big cats used for photo ops are regularly drugged because zoos cannot tame them. Captivity is a living hell for tigers like this one, and they live in constant stress, anxiety, and agitation every day.