What can we learn from Depp-Heard case

[Hummin]

4 hours ago, spidermike007 said:

True that. Doubts are often an ally. You were wise to walk away. Life is way too short to spend it with women who are neurotic, possessive and unworthy. Heard proved that theory! 

Of course part of it, is to trust the main until it fails ????

 

With a little bit of mutual trust, it can take a couple far, but at once the trust is lost, the relationship is gone. 

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What can we learn from Depp-Heard case

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[BritManToo]

2 hours ago, smutcakes said:

I was not referring to this case specifically and from your post basically saying if someone is abused they should just go report it to the police.

 

I think you are massively trivilaizing and extremely complex issue and looking at it from a comfy middle class educated western view point of someone who has possibly never felt any abuse or discrimation throughout your life.

 

 

Nope, if you are abused you should just report it to the police, or leave.

Especially in the west where there's a woman's refuge in every town, free everything.

Harder if you're a guy as there is no help offered anywhere for abused men.

I know, I tried once, the UK police station desk sergeant told me to 'clear off and grow some balls'.

[KhunLA]

30 minutes ago, BritManToo said:

Nope, if you are abused you should just report it to the police, or leave.

Especially in the west where there's a woman's refuge in every town, free everything.

Harder if you're a guy as there is no help offered anywhere for abused men.

I know, I tried once, the UK police station desk sergeant told me to 'clear off and grow some balls'.

Unlike you, I had sympathetic ears at the station.  They were well aware of who I was, because the man hating lesbo officer who arrested me, went on a screaming rant when her boss told her the DA wanted her to expunge my arrest record completely.  Which I didn't have to file for.  Really like that part.

 

As was told to me when officer accompanied me for the eviction.  2 actually volunteered when I asked, and I thought that was funny.  Boss chewed her out for not investigating properly.  Ex GF stated I tore her shirt, as arresting officer told me that at my cell.  I told her to go check her closest, she tears all her shirts at that spot.   Think V t-shirt, and then tear a bit more, so her tits hang out.   Likes the tattered look, sleeves also along with hole in jeans.   Thought that would have been to obvious, after I told her, and she could have stopped processing me at that point.  But nope, no investigation of facts.

 

She also must have stated she was scared to live in the house with her kids, when I apparently threatened her with so many guns.   Officer mentioned that also ... and yet, she returns to same dangerous house awaiting my release, after being offered refuge.  DA knew not even bother with this case, as he knew my lawyer, who would vouch for me.

 

That officer was finally dismissed, and I can only speculate why.  Got the impressive, boss & fellow officers hated her.

 

 

Edited June 3, 2022 by KhunLA

[smutcakes]

37 minutes ago, BritManToo said:

Nope, if you are abused you should just report it to the police, or leave.

Especially in the west where there's a woman's refuge in every town, free everything.

Harder if you're a guy as there is no help offered anywhere for abused men.

I know, I tried once, the UK police station desk sergeant told me to 'clear off and grow some balls'.

I agree in the West there is a far higher ability for many to report to the police, but just leaving is often not an option- elsewhere in the World that is simply not the case.

[OneMoreFarang]

8 minutes ago, smutcakes said:

I agree in the West there is a far higher ability for many to report to the police, but just leaving is often not an option- elsewhere in the World that is simply not the case.

So what do you like to tell us?

What relevance has this case and the outcome of this case and the reactions to that outcome to the rest of the world?

If someone lives in a country where they can't complain and can't run away and nobody cares about them then what difference does any of above make? No difference at all!

 

And as far as I see if women can be treated like s%# in place X then men can and will also be treated similarly. So it's a question of human rights.

[smutcakes]

4 minutes ago, OneMoreFarang said:

So what do you like to tell us?

What relevance has this case and the outcome of this case and the reactions to that outcome to the rest of the world?

If someone lives in a country where they can't complain and can't run away and nobody cares about them then what difference does any of above make? No difference at all!

 

And as far as I see if women can be treated like s%# in place X then men can and will also be treated similarly. So it's a question of human rights.

My contention are with your particular views which i dont agree with. You appear to lean towards making it as hard as possible for abused people to get help and seek justice whereas i try to understand the difficulties many abused people face and want to make it as easy as possible for them to seek help and justice and not be afraid to speak out.

[sammieuk1]

6 hours ago, OneMoreFarang said:

I watched part of the court case and I listened and watched.

You could still try the same. The videos are out there. The conclusion should be obvious. 

I would try your suggestion but today unfortunately I'm busy washing my hair ????

[OneMoreFarang]

24 minutes ago, smutcakes said:

My contention are with your particular views which i dont agree with. You appear to lean towards making it as hard as possible for abused people to get help and seek justice whereas i try to understand the difficulties many abused people face and want to make it as easy as possible for them to seek help and justice and not be afraid to speak out.

Then there must be somewhere a misunderstanding.

Personally I think it should be easy to report abuse and everybody who thinks he/she was abused should report it.

And I think every abuser should be punished - independent of gender etc.

 

My concern is with people who claim, sometimes years later, that they were abused. And it seems often they have no evidence at all. And it seems they could have reported that abuse a long time ago - but they didn't.

Should we believe all those people without evidence? Should we believe what they claim happened years ago?

I don't think so.

 

It's important to listen to accusations. But it is also important to clearly see a difference between just an accusation without any evidence and an accusation with evidence. Don't expect that people believe any story. There is a good reason that the concept of innocent until proven guilty exists - or at least some time ago it existed.

[smutcakes]

4 minutes ago, OneMoreFarang said:

Then there must be somewhere a misunderstanding.

Personally I think it should be easy to report abuse and everybody who thinks he/she was abused should report it.

And I think every abuser should be punished - independent of gender etc.

 

My concern is with people who claim, sometimes years later, that they were abused. And it seems often they have no evidence at all. And it seems they could have reported that abuse a long time ago - but they didn't.

Should we believe all those people without evidence? Should we believe what they claim happened years ago?

I don't think so.

 

It's important to listen to accusations. But it is also important to clearly see a difference between just an accusation without any evidence and an accusation with evidence. Don't expect that people believe any story. There is a good reason that the concept of innocent until proven guilty exists - or at least some time ago it existed.

I agree that cases from a long time ago are troublesome and sometimes it appears strange given that its essentially one persons word, or in some cases like Weinstein multiple multiple women. The very nature of abuse means that it is more often or not done behind closed doors where there are no witnesses and there would be extremely limited evidence- if you groped someone that is abuse, but there is no evidence. That does not mean that abuse has not take place.

 

I am not sure what the answer is as many abuses take place, and there is no evidence because of the nature of the abuse. I am not sure we should just dismiss these accusations. Obviously with people like Weinstein he got done presumably by the wait of complaints... and clearly people knew he had an issue- much like the Democrat MP here in Thailand. But they are high profile cases-- abuse goes no everyday up and down the land and those abuse victims are far less likely to ever get any kind of justice.

[GroveHillWanderer]

8 hours ago, Kenchamp said:

Let's hope this case at least shows that some/a lot of women lie.

It doesn't show that though - it just shows that one specific woman lied - assuming you think the verdict was correct, which as it happens, I do.

[sanuk711]

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[BritManToo]

51 minutes ago, smutcakes said:

I am not sure what the answer is as many abuses take place, and there is no evidence because of the nature of the abuse. I am not sure we should just dismiss these accusations. Obviously with people like Weinstein he got done presumably by the wait of complaints... and clearly people knew he had an issue- much like the Democrat MP here in Thailand. But they are high profile cases-- abuse goes no everyday up and down the land and those abuse victims are far less likely to ever get any kind of justice.

The answer is cameras everywhere, including personal body cameras, recording everything people say and do 24/7. So when she (or he) accuses, both peoples cameras recordings are inspected and anyone caught lying gets an automatic 5 years in jail. If anyone's camera failed to record that moment, an automatic judgement of wrong doing.

 

If would also stop almost all crime. 

Also a compulsory DNA check on all babies before a birth certificate is issued, and any inheritance paid. 

Should be possible with today's tech.

[talahtnut]

Always cover your asse.

Never trust pretty wimmins.

[spidermike007]

8 hours ago, OneMoreFarang said:

This is a nice summary

 

Excellent. I love it. A resounding victory for Depp. Heard exposed herself as conniving, manipulative, a fake victim, a liar, and humiliated herself, says Megan. 

 

SIMPS and Uber feminists beware. We must insist on a burden of proof, when heinous accusations are made. 

[Gillyflower]

Iremember reading quite a few years ago that she was a bit touched.  Anyway Johnny was in a Newcastle pub when the verdict came out.  He is having a ball travelling round with Beck's band.  There didn't seem to be much sympathy or interest by the locals.  A picture showed a small 'crowd'.  One man said, Jeff Beck was fabulous,, the only thing that spoilt the concert was the talentless Mr. Depp.

Whilst I think that she made up most of it, I would bet that Johnny wouldn't be easy to live with.  Drink and drugs!I notice here in France that there were no comments from Vanesssa Paradis or his two kids.

[Mavideol]

What can we learn from Depp-Heard case

 

do not get married that's the only lesson I learn

[In Full Agreement]

I'm fine with the outcome of the trial and personally think Amber Heard ripped herself  up with her lies.

 

Although I think she's a very good looking lady, every time I see her I can't help but imagine her squatting down on Depp's side of  the bed and  dropping  a large size Baby Ruth.

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9 hours ago, spidermike007 said:

True that. Doubts are often an ally. You were wise to walk away. Life is way too short to spend it with women who are neurotic, possessive and unworthy. Heard proved that theory! 

[zzaa09]

Nothing short of misdirection and distraction that most buy into. 

Too easy for them, as they consider the dumbed down populations. 

[OneMoreFarang]

1 hour ago, sanuk711 said:

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That reminds me of that girl in one of my regular bars. By accident I saw a heavy duty porn movie with her and I asked her about it. Her reaction. Yes, that girl looks like me, but the girls in the movie is younger and she has no tattoos. That proves it wasn't me. Yeah, sure. 

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6 hours ago, Iamfalang said:

words to live by.  

Or a favourite saying of mine: "where there is doubt, there is no doubt".

[overherebc]

10 hours ago, sammieuk1 said:

What I leant was they are both actors ???? 

And absolutely nothing else.

[zzaa09]

15 minutes ago, overherebc said:

And absolutely nothing else.

Yep. 

Absolutely nothing to be worshiped and the promotions thereof. 

Edited June 3, 2022 by zzaa09

[OneMoreFarang]

36 minutes ago, zzaa09 said:

Absolutely nothing to be worshiped and the promotions thereof. 

I think we can learn that being super rich and super famous does not mean happiness.

It seems lots of (especially young people) want to be famous. I hope they look at this trial and ask themselves: Do I really want to aspire to be like that?

I don't know any celebrities personally. But I met enough millionaires and multimillionaires in my life to know that being rich and being happy has almost nothing to do with each other.

[BritManToo]

1 hour ago, In Full Agreement said:

Although I think she's a very good looking lady,

Bit too old (and weighty) for me.

Same goes for JD.

Edited June 3, 2022 by BritManToo

[OneMoreFarang]

5 minutes ago, BritManToo said:

Bit too old (and weighty) for me.

That are obviously already two arguments against her.

I guess I could live with the age and the weight for an hour. But imagine listening to her for more than 10 minutes. That must be like torture. 

[JimmyJ]

"When one is in a potentially abusive relationship, there will inevitably be an incident that raises a red flag. And if one sees a sign, the best reaction is to try to get help and walk away from an abusive partner. "

 

What age group is this article aimed at?

[OneMoreFarang]

1 minute ago, JimmyJ said:

What age group is this article aimed at?

Women of any age...

[olfu]

12 hours ago, koolkarl said:

Stay single.

no--make prenuptual agreement.