Guns have become the leading cause of death for American kids

[Phoenix Rising]

48 minutes ago, KhunLA said:

I don't think there's any doubt in anyone's mind, that taking firearms away from all the legal owners will save some kids.  But at the expense of how many other people, who will die, if they don't have firearms.   

Well, since very few die in comparable countries where gun laws are much stricter that would be my answer: Very few.

Come to think of it there must be some stats/estimates on this. Willing to bet a lot that the answer will be......you guessed it; very few.

[Yellowtail]

The bigger tragedy might be the suicide rate among teens, which is what drives guns deaths among teens for the most part. 

 

Is the availability of why the suicide rate among US children double that of children in the UK? 

[Caldera]

20 hours ago, onthedarkside said:

Firearms were the leading cause of death for kids one and older for the first time in 2020, the most recent year for which CDC data is available.

This is horrible any way you look at it. If any more proof was needed that there's sadly something very wrong with the U.S. nowadays, this is it.

[Bkk Brian]

2 hours ago, KhunLA said:

Obviously taking firearms from law abiding citizens while the southern border in not secure isn't an answer to anything.

Not only does Mexico suffer a problem with guns flowing into its borders from the US, so does Canada and even the Bahamas with its maritime border. I would say the wall needs to be to built to contain the US home grown problem from spreading like cancer.

 

Canada: Federal government's gun strategy won't work without a border crackdown, experts say

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/tasker-us-border-illegal-firearms-1.5551432

 

Bahamas: The United States needs do more to control the illegal flow of weapons to The Bahamas,

the country's prime minister said on Monday, amid growing concern about gun violence and homicides in the Caribbean nation.

https://www.swissinfo.ch/eng/the-bahamas-says-u-s--must-do-more-to-control-weapons-smuggling/47635082

 

Mexico Stopping toxic flow of guns from U.S. to Mexico

https://news.harvard.edu/gazette/story/2022/02/stopping-toxic-flow-of-gun-traffic-from-u-s-to-mexico/

[brianthainess]

20 hours ago, spidermike007 said:

The US now, reminds me of Western Rome in the late 5th century AD.

Showing your age a bit aren't you  ????

[richard_smith237]

16 hours ago, KhunLA said:

Investigation estimated that defensive gun uses occur an average of 67,740 times per year"

Again.. flawed arguments.... Defence against what ?????....     others with guns !

 

Do you need an AR15 for that ?...

 

 

 

[garroman]

Come on people. It's obvious that the CDC is on board with lying to the people like just like Biden and company. See unemployment rates for instance.

[KhunLA]

5 minutes ago, garroman said:

Come on people. It's obvious that the CDC is on board with lying to the people like just like Biden and company. See unemployment rates for instance.

CDC, FDA, WHO, WTO and pretty much all the acronyms agencies have lost all credibility with me.  Along with so many info sources.  There's just too much corrupt money floating around.

 

Just my opinion of course, and many will & should disagree.

 

If the last few years, or decades of political & MSM BS, hasn't pointed that out to most folk, then just keep cowering & complying.  The world is in a pretty sad state, in that aspect of things, IMHO, and Buddha forbid if you are a free thinker.

 

When you ARE correct, it may take a few years or decades when people realize, 'damn that idiot was spot on' ... before your thoughts are vindicated.

[BritManToo]

22 hours ago, spidermike007 said:

The US now, reminds me of Western Rome in the late 5th century AD. 

Less slaves.

[Bkk Brian]

1 minute ago, KhunLA said:

CDC, FDA, WHO, WTO and pretty much all the acronyms agencies have lost all credibility with me.  Along with so many info sources.  There's just too much corrupt money floating around.

 

Just my opinion of course, and many will & should disagree.

 

If the last few years, or decades of political & MSM BS, hasn't pointed that out to most folk, then just keep cowering & complying.  The world is in a pretty sad state, in that aspect of things, IMHO, and Buddha forbid if you are a free thinker.

 

When you ARE correct, it may take a few years or decades when people realize, 'damn that idiot was spot on' ... before your thoughts are vindicated.

Dead gun crime victims don't lie

[richard_smith237]

26 minutes ago, KhunLA said:

CDC, FDA, WHO, WTO and pretty much all the acronyms agencies have lost all credibility with me.  Along with so many info sources.  There's just too much corrupt money floating around.

 

Just my opinion of course, and many will & should disagree.

 

If the last few years, or decades of political & MSM BS, hasn't pointed that out to most folk, then just keep cowering & complying.  The world is in a pretty sad state, in that aspect of things, IMHO, and Buddha forbid if you are a free thinker.

 

When you ARE correct, it may take a few years or decades when people realize, 'damn that idiot was spot on' ... before your thoughts are vindicated.

Except when you are completely wrong and the ideology of being a free thinker in reality is an absence of thought…. 
 

Remove guns = lower gun deaths (and lower deaths in general)…

 

That doesn’t take free thought, it takes 1 brain cell, common sense & an ability to recognise that gun reform has worked everywhere else. 
 

The US is not different or special - but with regards to gun reform it is ‘stupid’ . 

[spidermike007]

1 hour ago, BritManToo said:

Less slaves.

Well, only if you do not count the lower 70% of the population. Of course slavery can be defined in many different ways. But, I consider a life where you cannot get ahead, due to hyper inflation, combined with earnings barely rising, and all of your money each month going to banks, insurance companies, big pharma and the government to be a form of slavery. 

[BritManToo]

52 minutes ago, spidermike007 said:

Well, only if you do not count the lower 70% of the population. Of course slavery can be defined in many different ways. But, I consider a life where you cannot get ahead, due to hyper inflation, combined with earnings barely rising, and all of your money each month going to banks, insurance companies, big pharma and the government to be a form of slavery. 

Nobody is forcing you to take out loans, buy insurance or buy prescription drugs.

Always amazed at the restrictive thinking that makes Americans buy insurance.

American posters must have insurance, must have local medical facilities.

No other people in the world think like that, I'm OK with death.

I only buy insurance mandated by law, and sometimes not even that.

[spidermike007]

34 minutes ago, BritManToo said:

Nobody is forcing you to take out loans, buy insurance or buy prescription drugs.

Always amazed at the restrictive thinking that makes Americans buy insurance.

American posters must have insurance, must have local medical facilities.

No other people in the world think like that, I'm OK with death.

I only buy insurance mandated by law, and sometimes not even that.

I am American, and the only insurance I have is here, for my car, and some accident insurance. I buy as few prescription medications as possible. I use mostly herbs. Like you, I avoid insurance companies as much as possible. 

[LarrySR]

3 hours ago, KhunLA said:

CDC, FDA, WHO, WTO and pretty much all the acronyms agencies have lost all credibility with me.  

FOX. You trust them. Right?

[vandeventer]

On 6/4/2022 at 10:02 AM, Jingthing said:

99 percent plus of republicans are complicit in this carnage.

They're pro life only before birth.

99 % of real Americans knows what the Democrats are trying to do with gun laws. There will be no gun control and as far as pro life goes, any body with a half of brain knows that life starts when there is a heart beat, removal of the baby after that except at birth is just murder, Gods choice!!!

[James105]

17 minutes ago, vandeventer said:

99 % of real Americans knows what the Democrats are trying to do with gun laws. There will be no gun control and as far as pro life goes, any body with a half of brain knows that life starts when there is a heart beat, removal of the baby after that except at birth is just murder, Gods choice!!!

Democrats would implement less gun control than there is now?!    Considering that an 18 year old was able to buy 2 AR-15 rifles and over 1000 bullets on his 18th birthday without anyone raising an eyebrow before he killed those 19 little kids, just how much less gun control could there possibly be than there is now?  

[rudi49jr]

2 hours ago, LarrySR said:

FOX. You trust them. Right?

And NewsMax. And OAN. And Breitbart. And so on, and so forth...

[rudi49jr]

39 minutes ago, vandeventer said:

99 % of real Americans knows what the Democrats are trying to do with gun laws. There will be no gun control and as far as pro life goes, any body with a half of brain knows that life starts when there is a heart beat, removal of the baby after that except at birth is just murder, Gods choice!!!

First of all, the topic here is gun control, not abortion, so please cool your jets and stay on topic.

 

And contrary to what almost all Republican law makers would have you believe, Democrats are not out to take everyone's guns away. Just a few very sensible gun control rules would already go a very long way, like background checks, and raising the age from 18 to 21 for people who want to buy a gun. People can't have a beer in many states until they're 21, but they can buy an AR-15 when they're 18. Doesn't that sound just a little ridiculous to you?

[LarrySR]

43 minutes ago, vandeventer said:

=, Gods choice!!!

How do you know it's "gods choice"?

Can you be more specific?

There are 18,000 gods and as far as I can tell, they are all figments of imagination.

[LarrySR]

Just now, rudi49jr said:

First of all, the topic here is gun control, not abortion, so please cool your jets and stay on topic.

 

And contrary to what almost all Republican law makers would have you believe, Democrats are not out to take everyone's guns away. Just a few very sensible gun control rules would already go a very long way, like background checks, and raising the age from 18 to 21 for people who want to buy a gun. People can't have a beer in many states until they're 21, but they can buy an AR-15 when they're 18. Doesn't that sound just a little ridiculous to you?

Republicans have zero chance of getting elected if they don't get financial support from the gun lobby.

 

For the same reason, every Republican candidate denies man made climate change, they can't win election without financial support from the pollutters.

 

[vandeventer]

9 minutes ago, LarrySR said:

How do you know it's "gods choice"?

Can you be more specific?

There are 18,000 gods and as far as I can tell, they are all figments of imagination.

Sorry old friend there is only one god.

[LarrySR]

1 minute ago, vandeventer said:

Sorry old friend there is only one god.

How do you know that?

[vandeventer]

13 minutes ago, rudi49jr said:

First of all, the topic here is gun control, not abortion, so please cool your jets and stay on topic.

 

And contrary to what almost all Republican law makers would have you believe, Democrats are not out to take everyone's guns away. Just a few very sensible gun control rules would already go a very long way, like background checks, and raising the age from 18 to 21 for people who want to buy a gun. People can't have a beer in many states until they're 21, but they can buy an AR-15 when they're 18. Doesn't that sound just a little ridiculous to you?

It's the start of gun control, some can see it some can't.

[vandeventer]

2 minutes ago, LarrySR said:

How do you know that?

You haven't gone to Sunday school when you were little that's if your a Christian.

[billd766]

6 hours ago, garroman said:

Come on people. It's obvious that the CDC is on board with lying to the people like just like Biden and company. See unemployment rates for instance.

Can you explain the relevance of your post to the topic, because I'm confused.

 

I cannot see any link between President Biden. the CDC, lies, the unemployment rate  and the fact that guns have been the leading cause of death for American schoolkids.

 

I am afraind that it is a leap too far in any direction for me.

[vandeventer]

21 minutes ago, LarrySR said:

Republicans have zero chance of getting elected if they don't get financial support from the gun lobby.

 

For the same reason, every Republican candidate denies man made climate change, they can't win election without financial support from the pollutters.

 

Democrats are doomed with all the stupid things they have done so far whether they have the support of the NRA or not.

[LarrySR]

8 minutes ago, vandeventer said:

You haven't gone to Sunday school when you were little that's if your a Christian.

I can see you're not big on critical thinking.

Christianity is based on Bronze Age campfire stories told by goat farmers.

 

 

[billd766]

54 minutes ago, James105 said:

Democrats would implement less gun control than there is now?!    Considering that an 18 year old was able to buy 2 AR-15 rifles and over 1000 bullets on his 18th birthday without anyone raising an eyebrow before he killed those 19 little kids, just how much less gun control could there possibly be than there is now?  

Ask 50 Republican senators.

 

9 minutes ago, vandeventer said:

wrong post sorry

 

[LarrySR]

9 minutes ago, vandeventer said:

Democrats are doomed with all the stupid things they have done so far whether they have the support of the NRA or not.

Doomed?

Republicans haven't won the popular vote in decades and every year they become more outnumbered. 

Thats why they need to win by gerrymandering, voter suppression, fake news and now, passing laws to stack election boards with QAnon nincompoops and unethical right wing stooges, willing to throw elections.