Jan. 6 committee says probe shows Trump led and directed effort to overturn 2020 election

[Yellowtail]

2 minutes ago, Hanaguma said:

Kind of a no win scenario for Democrats.  If Trump skates (like he usually does) then they look petty and vindictive. There is a bruising fight for the GOP nomination. Trump may win and is elected again.

 

If Trump gets tarred enough, he doesn't run. Then the GOP can relax and dig into their deeeeeeeeep bench of young, energetic, and charismatic presidential hopefuls.  The Democrats are forced to reckon with the prospect of an 80 plus year old Biden trying to fend off his nimble and photogenic opponent. The GOP wins again. 

 

Or the Democrats dump Biden/convince him to not run again. Who do they have? Can you see Kamala Harris trying again to win the nomination. She got zero delegates last time and was  a proven lightweight. Who is left? Revenge of the Hillary- third time is the charm? Lost to Obama, lost to Trump, now lose again to the GOP. Not a great legacy for her at all. 

Trump will not run again, nor will he be convicted of anything significant. The sooner he is charged, the better. 

 

I think it will be Harris/Newsom in '24. 

 

[candide]

1 hour ago, g man said:

LOL,,,

• Overall, we rate Raw Story Left Biased based on story selection that favors the left and Mixed for factual reporting due to half-true, false, and unproven claims, as well as the promotion of mild pseudoscience misinformation.

https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/raw-story/

 

That's the post I was replying to, not mine.

 

Anyway, this topic has also been addressed by other media. Would a right-wing biased source be to your liking? ????

 

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/campaigns/heres-what-republicans-have-to-say-about-trump-2024-candidacy

[g man]

1 minute ago, candide said:

That's the post I was replying to, not mine.

 

Anyway, this topic has also been addressed by other media. Would a right-wing biased source be to your liking? ????

 

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/campaigns/heres-what-republicans-have-to-say-about-trump-2024-candidacy

is the examiner classified as pseudoscience? Can you check please.

[g man]

16 minutes ago, ozimoron said:

Those rights have been inherent in US elections for decades. Dismantling them is contempt for democracy. It is well established and incontrovertible that voting restrictions reduce voter turnout among the poorest.

Not sure what country you emanate from but most countries realize the threat of voter fraud can be exploited by mail in balloting hence proper safeguards such as those implemented by DeSantis help deter voter fraud. Mail in balloting is banned in many countries and locals.

https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=3666259

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/washington-secrets/developed-countries-ban-mail-in-voting-us-would-be-laughing-stock-report

 

If you didn't know that before, you do now.

 

You don't need to read this or reply, it's way off topic.

 

 

Edited July 2, 2022 by g man

[Chomper Higgot]

11 minutes ago, g man said:

is the examiner classified as pseudoscience? Can you check please.

In terms of public perception of Trump what matters is how many people read and read trust the Washington Examiner.

Edited July 2, 2022 by Chomper Higgot

[candide]

31 minutes ago, Hanaguma said:

Kind of a no win scenario for Democrats.  If Trump skates (like he usually does) then they look petty and vindictive. There is a bruising fight for the GOP nomination. Trump may win and is elected again.

 

If Trump gets tarred enough, he doesn't run. Then the GOP can relax and dig into their deeeeeeeeep bench of young, energetic, and charismatic presidential hopefuls.  The Democrats are forced to reckon with the prospect of an 80 plus year old Biden trying to fend off his nimble and photogenic opponent. The GOP wins again. 

 

Or the Democrats dump Biden/convince him to not run again. Who do they have? Can you see Kamala Harris trying again to win the nomination. She got zero delegates last time and was  a proven lightweight. Who is left? Revenge of the Hillary- third time is the charm? Lost to Obama, lost to Trump, now lose again to the GOP. Not a great legacy for her at all. 

I must acknowledge that you raise relevant issues.

 

Trump candidate in 2024 would significantly improve the odds of a Democratic candidate winning. Getting rid of him would be beneficial to democracy in general, not necessarily to the Democrats. However, on short-term, it may be useful to discredit some MAGA candidates during the midterms.

 

Then, It's true that there is currently no obvious good Democratic candidate for the presidential elections. It's a real problem.

Edited July 2, 2022 by candide

[g man]

13 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

In terms of public perception of Trump what matters is how many people read and read trust the Washington Examiner.

Who reads it and how many? Lol, and who really cares. The truth becomes known eventually.

[Yellowtail]

34 minutes ago, ozimoron said:

Those rights have been inherent in US elections for decades. Dismantling them is contempt for democracy.

So states changing  voting rules leading up to the 2020 election was fine, but states changing voting rules after the 2020 election shows an "...abundance of contempt for democratic norms." Got it. 

 

34 minutes ago, ozimoron said:

It is well established and incontrovertible that voting restrictions reduce voter turnout among the poorest.

Well established how, and by whom?

[ozimoron]

23 minutes ago, g man said:

Not sure what country you emanate from but most countries realize the threat of voter fraud can be exploited by mail in balloting hence proper safeguards such as those implemented by DeSantis help deter voter fraud. Mail in balloting is banned in many countries and locals.

https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=3666259

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/washington-secrets/developed-countries-ban-mail-in-voting-us-would-be-laughing-stock-report

 

If you didn't know that before, you do now.

 

You don't need to read this or reply, it's way off topic.

 

 

pretty sure every developed nation has widely used mail in ballots. No mail fraud of significance has even been shown in the US.

[Phoenix Rising]

5 minutes ago, g man said:

Who reads it and how many? Lol, and who really cares. The truth becomes known eventually.

"The Truth" was a relatively objective thing a few years back. Then came "alternative facts", a godsend for a large part of the electorate so hellbent on spiting their face that they didn't hesitate to cut off their nose.

[g man]

20 minutes ago, candide said:

I must acknowledge that you raise relevant issues.

 

Trump candidate in 2024 would significantly improve the odds of a Democratic candidate winning. Getting rid of him would be beneficial to democracy in general, not necessarily to the Democrats. However, on short-term, it may be useful to discredit some MAGA candidates during the midterms.

 

Then, It's true that there is currently no obvious good Democratic candidate for the presidential elections. It's a real problem.

 

27 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

In terms of public perception of Trump what matters is how many people read and read trust the Washington Examiner.

I find it fascinating how people pick on FOX News despite it's top leading ratings, especially Tucker, who easily blows away the competition.

 

Who is the Most Watched Host in All of Cable News For Young Democrats?

Its Tucker! And most people here despise him and FOX news.

https://www.mediaite.com/tv/who-is-the-most-watched-host-in-all-of-cable-news-for-young-democrats-tucker-carlson/

https://time.com/6080432/tucker-carlson-profile/

https://www.forbes.com/sites/markjoyella/2020/06/30/tucker-carlson-has-highest-rated-program-in-cable-news-history/

 

Edited July 2, 2022 by g man

[g man]

4 minutes ago, ozimoron said:

pretty sure every developed nation has widely used mail in ballots. No mail fraud of significance has even been shown in the US.

And rest assured there won't be any in the great state of Florida. Proactive beats reactive.

Edited July 2, 2022 by g man

[candide]

36 minutes ago, g man said:

is the examiner classified as pseudoscience? Can you check please.

It's not the point I made. The point I made is that this information (Republicans are divided re Trump 2024) was also presented in other media, including right-wing media. Capisce?

Edited July 2, 2022 by candide

[Yellowtail]

5 minutes ago, ozimoron said:

pretty sure every developed nation has widely used mail in ballots. 

Pretty sure you would be surprised concerning the restrictions. 

[ozimoron]

Just now, Yellowtail said:

Pretty sure you would be surprised concerning the restrictions. 

but no link to substantiate that huh? it's like a cracked record around here, the right almost never provide links in political threads.

[Chomper Higgot]

7 minutes ago, g man said:

 

I find it fascinating how people pick on FOX News despite it's top leading ratings, especially Tucker, who easily blows away the competition.

 

Who is the Most Watched Host in All of Cable News For Young Democrats?

Its Tucker! And most people here despise him and FOX news.

https://www.mediaite.com/tv/who-is-the-most-watched-host-in-all-of-cable-news-for-young-democrats-tucker-carlson/

https://time.com/6080432/tucker-carlson-profile/

https://www.forbes.com/sites/markjoyella/2020/06/30/tucker-carlson-has-highest-rated-program-in-cable-news-history/

 

Curious, given that when right-wingers bring up the supposed left wing bias of MSM, I frequently point out that it is the right-wing media that has the highest audience numbers.

 

 

[g man]

2 minutes ago, ozimoron said:

but no link to substantiate that huh? it's like a cracked record around here, the right almost never provide links in political threads.

Voting Fraud Is a Real Concern. Just Look Around the World | Opinion

 

https://www.newsweek.com/voting-fraud-real-concern-just-look-around-world-opinion-1522535

[Chomper Higgot]

Just now, g man said:

Voting Fraud Is a Real Concern. Just Look Around the World | Opinion

 

https://www.newsweek.com/voting-fraud-real-concern-just-look-around-world-opinion-1522535

But it’s not a significant problem in the US, as stated by Bill Barr under oath.

[g man]

Just now, Chomper Higgot said:

Curious, given that when right-wingers bring up the supposed left wing bias of MSM, I frequently point out that it is the right-wing media that has the highest audience numbers.

 

 

FOX News, and young democrats, go figure.  They (the dems) are beginning to see the reality perhaps.

[Chomper Higgot]

Just now, g man said:

FOX News, and young democrats, go figure.  They (the dems) are beginning to see the reality perhaps.

Back to topic, it’s the Jan 6 Hearings that are revealing reality.

[g man]

1 minute ago, Chomper Higgot said:

But it’s not a significant problem in the US, as stated by Bill Barr under oath.

Yes, with efforts like DeSantis, there will be less chance for voter fraud. The blue states can try to keep theirs but FL is a top trending state doing things properly and thus their immense success's and now the guv's likely ascension to the WH some day soon.

[g man]

2 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Back to topic, it’s the Jan 6 Hearings that are revealing reality.

where's the proof? I , you, we, they, anyone can say ANYTHING about ANYBODY under oath in a kangaroo court and NOW you have reality. LoL. OK. Try that nonsense in the court room setting and watch a 1st year law student eviscerate you.

[Chomper Higgot]

1 minute ago, g man said:

Yes, with efforts like DeSantis, there will be less chance for voter fraud. The blue states can try to keep theirs but FL is a top trending state doing things properly and thus their immense success's and now the guv's likely ascension to the WH some day soon.

While people who actually believe in democracy work to get the vote out.

 

In the time honored democratic tradition of voters choosing representatives not representatives choosing voters.

 

 

[ozimoron]

6 minutes ago, g man said:

Voting Fraud Is a Real Concern. Just Look Around the World | Opinion

 

https://www.newsweek.com/voting-fraud-real-concern-just-look-around-world-opinion-1522535

That's not evidence of mail in voting fraud is it?

[ozimoron]

2 minutes ago, g man said:

Yes, with efforts like DeSantis, there will be less chance for voter fraud. The blue states can try to keep theirs but FL is a top trending state doing things properly and thus their immense success's and now the guv's likely ascension to the WH some day soon.

The only major voter fraud we saw in the last election was GOP perpetrated fraud in Florida, his state.

[Chomper Higgot]

Just now, g man said:

where's the proof? I , you, we, they, anyone can say ANYTHING about ANYBODY under oath in a kangaroo court and NOW you have reality. LoL. OK. Try that nonsense in the court room setting and watch a 1st year law student eviscerate you.

I very much look forward to the evidence and testimony being tested in court. 

[Chomper Higgot]

Just now, ozimoron said:

The only major voter fraud we saw in the last election was GOP perpetrated fraud in Florida, his state.

Well that and attempts to drum up fake votes in Georgia and the little matter of fake slates of Electors (dumb enough to sign their names and submit their forgeries to the National Archive).

[candide]

38 minutes ago, g man said:

Not sure what country you emanate from but most countries realize the threat of voter fraud can be exploited by mail in balloting hence proper safeguards such as those implemented by DeSantis help deter voter fraud. Mail in balloting is banned in many countries and locals.

https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=3666259

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/washington-secrets/developed-countries-ban-mail-in-voting-us-would-be-laughing-stock-report

 

If you didn't know that before, you do now.

 

You don't need to read this or reply, it's way off topic.

 

 

And the source of the report is?

"Overall, we rate the Crime Prevention Research Center Right Biased based on strongly advocating for guns and the conservative agenda. We also rate them Mixed for factual reporting based on a few failed fact checks."

https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/crime-prevention-research-center/

 

 

[g man]

3 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

I very much look forward to the evidence and testimony being tested in court. 

Sorry, running out of time and more importantly something called "predicate". Precedent is a biggie too.

it's been about 19 months since the J6 event. What on earth could there be that HAS NOT BEEN investigated?

I can think of a few things the committee does not want to at least talk about in their presentations thus far.

Edited July 2, 2022 by g man

[candide]

12 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Curious, given that when right-wingers bring up the supposed left wing bias of MSM, I frequently point out that it is the right-wing media that has the highest audience numbers.

 

 

Same for the so-called liberal biased social media such as Facebook or Twitter. The most viewed are Fox News  hosts.