Popular Post Mac Mickmanus Posted July 21, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted July 21, 2022 21 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said: Please, lay off the Chinese government controlled ‘news sites’. The EU zone inflation rate is not 9.6% https://tradingeconomics.com/euro-area/inflation-cpi https://www.statista.com/statistics/225698/monthly-inflation-rate-in-eu-countries/ Do stop using false equivalents , first you used the figures for G.7 and now you are using figures for the Eurozone . I am talking about the E.U . Comparing the U.K to all the other E.U Countries in regards to inflation rates , the U.K would be the 16 th highest and with the 9 th lowest inflation rates . So you suggestion that Brexit has been detrimental to the U.K economy is just plain wrong , because other E.U Countries are worse off than the U.K (And BTW , here's another non Chinese site that also gives the 9.6 % E.U inflation rate ) chrome-extension://efaidnbmnnnibpcajpcglclefindmkaj/https://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/documents/2995521/14644638/2-19072022-AP-EN.pdf 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Hammer2021 Posted July 21, 2022 Share Posted July 21, 2022 It's now two 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chomper Higgot Posted July 21, 2022 Share Posted July 21, 2022 7 minutes ago, Mac Mickmanus said: Do stop using false equivalents , first you used the figures for G.7 and now you are using figures for the Eurozone . I am talking about the E.U . Comparing the U.K to all the other E.U Countries in regards to inflation rates , the U.K would be the 16 th highest and with the 9 th lowest inflation rates . So you suggestion that Brexit has been detrimental to the U.K economy is just plain wrong , because other E.U Countries are worse off than the U.K (And BTW , here's another non Chinese site that also gives the 9.6 % E.U inflation rate ) chrome-extension://efaidnbmnnnibpcajpcglclefindmkaj/https://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/documents/2995521/14644638/2-19072022-AP-EN.pdf Oh, so it wasn’t you who posted this then? You know, your very recent post I was responding to. or did you miss your own bold text? 44 minutes ago, Mac Mickmanus said: Ha ha , false equivalence . G7 members include non E.U Countries such as Japan, USA and Canada . You compared the U.Ks inflation rate to non E.U Countries to suggest that Brexit is the reason for the U.Ks high inflation rate and they are faring better . If you compare the U.K's inflation rate to the rest of the E.U , you will see that the U.Ks inflation rate is lower than the E.Us European Union's annual inflation hits record 9.6% in June https://news.cgtn.com/news/2022-07-19/European-Union-s-annual-inflation-hits-record-9-6-in-June-1bNqXrKcXKg/index.html 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post The Hammer2021 Posted July 21, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted July 21, 2022 On 7/19/2022 at 8:44 PM, SatEng said: Toxic woman - trying to introduce US style "Culture wars" into the debate - but she will be out of the running in 15 minutes She has not 'introduced ' culture wars but she has proposed to fight the culture war and the cult of woke ideology. The culture wars were started by extreme left, liberals, and woke ideology trying to redefine our sense of history and identity; trying to change our language and understanding of gender and sex. Trying to redefine women and their rights. Woke extremists are waging a highly effective and destructive culture war. They have made great strides abolishing personal freedoms. Including freedom of speech and even privacy for teen girls. They are authoritarian dictatorial thugs. Kemi Badenoch got enormous support with her commitment to fight woke idiocy. 1 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevenl Posted July 21, 2022 Share Posted July 21, 2022 (edited) 3 hours ago, Mac Mickmanus said: Same situation still applies . Both candidates will state their opinion and policies and the ministers will vote on which one they agree with and the person with the most votes will be the new PM . That is is the very essence of democracy . Different people with different opinions and voters decide on which one will be successful . The very essence of democracy? When a leader steps down due to a lack of support a general election should be held. Edited July 21, 2022 by stevenl 1 1 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mac Mickmanus Posted July 21, 2022 Share Posted July 21, 2022 4 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said: Oh, so it wasn’t you who posted this then? You know, your very recent post I was responding to. or did you miss your own bold text? Yes, and I posted another link to show that , that didnt seem to work . Here is another link from the U.K Gov to show E.U inflation is currently 9.6 % (Which is higher than the U.K's) UK inflation, as measured by the CPI, was 9.4% in the year to June, EU inflation was 9.6% in June, up from 8.8% in May. E https://commonslibrary.parliament.uk/research-briefings/sn02794/ 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SatEng Posted July 21, 2022 Share Posted July 21, 2022 19 minutes ago, The Hammer2021 said: She has not 'introduced ' culture wars but she has proposed to fight the culture war and the cult of woke ideology. The culture wars were started by extreme left, liberals, and woke ideology trying to redefine our sense of history and identity; trying to change our language and understanding of gender and sex. Trying to redefine women and their rights. Woke extremists are waging a highly effective and destructive culture war. They have made great strides abolishing personal freedoms. Including freedom of speech and even privacy for teen girls. They are authoritarian dictatorial thugs. Kemi Badenoch got enormous support with her commitment to fight woke idiocy. Badenoch is an anti-gay bigot - wants to bring back section 28 her "religion" is more important than other people's rights - her view 1 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post The Hammer2021 Posted July 21, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted July 21, 2022 9 minutes ago, SatEng said: Badenoch is an anti-gay bigot - wants to bring back section 28 her "religion" is more important than other people's rights - her view The usual scurrilous slander against a political opponent who fails to succumb to woke idiocy. She is not anti gay nor does she wish to reintroduced section 28. That hysteria. But she and other adults wish to limit wish give parents the right to examine the sex education curriculum which currently is promoting a hard line trans ideology. Kami Badenoch is a black woman who does not conform to the socialist idea of how a black woman should behave. She's BRILLIANT 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mac Mickmanus Posted July 21, 2022 Share Posted July 21, 2022 19 minutes ago, SatEng said: Badenoch is an anti-gay bigot - wants to bring back section 28 her "religion" is more important than other people's rights - her view Is this the Lady in question Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Excel Posted July 21, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted July 21, 2022 (edited) 33 minutes ago, SatEng said: Badenoch is an anti-gay bigot - wants to bring back section 28 her "religion" is more important than other people's rights - her view For the sake of the UK she may well be appointed the Minister for Culture in the next PM's cabinet as she has some outstanding attributes and qualities. As for being a bigot, simply because she has differing views from your own does not make her a bigot, in fact you labelling her as such indicates you are perhaps more of one than her, In fact 5 years ago her majority was over 27,000 people so I suspect your lone voice is of no consequence compared to that large majority. Edited July 21, 2022 by Excel 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post SatEng Posted July 21, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted July 21, 2022 32 minutes ago, The Hammer2021 said: She has not 'introduced ' culture wars but she has proposed to fight the culture war and the cult of woke ideology. The culture wars were started by extreme left, liberals, and woke ideology trying to redefine our sense of history and identity; trying to change our language and understanding of gender and sex. Trying to redefine women and their rights. Woke extremists are waging a highly effective and destructive culture war. They have made great strides abolishing personal freedoms. Including freedom of speech and even privacy for teen girls. They are authoritarian dictatorial thugs. Kemi Badenoch got enormous support with her commitment to fight woke idiocy. The terms "culture wars" denoting the conflict between traditional/conservative and progressive/liberal viewpoints was popularised in the US press in the 1920s and denoted the difference on key issues that were "hot-button" issues for the conservative religious right - namely abortion, gun-politics, separation of church and state, privacy, recreational drug use, homosexuality and censorship (Hunter definitions) These issues have remained the same to the present day and have become even more polarising in the US. In the UK, by contrast, many of these issues had cross-party consensus up to recent years - cross party support enabled the right to abortion, the decriminalisation of homosexuality (section 28), banning of guns and the influence of the established church and so there was no concatenation of these issues for a coherent "ideology" as in the US Since around 2010, however, coinciding with a labour defeat at the political polls, the use of the above issues increased in conservative circles as a flag to the Tory base and right-wing press in the UK. The Brexit debate in 2015/2016 however added the element of immigration to the right wing mix and this was the key polarising element of politics. Studies of public attitudes in the following years have shown that the other "hot-button" issues much are prominent within the right wing press and conservative talking points but are of much less the interest to the general public. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post SatEng Posted July 21, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted July 21, 2022 17 minutes ago, The Hammer2021 said: The usual scurrilous slander against a political opponent who fails to succumb to woke idiocy. She is not anti gay nor does she wish to reintroduced section 28. That hysteria. But she and other adults wish to limit wish give parents the right to examine the sex education curriculum which currently is promoting a hard line trans ideology. Kami Badenoch is a black woman who does not conform to the socialist idea of how a black woman should behave. She's BRILLIANT She got caught out in an anti-LBGT rant and would not support same-sex marriage when it came up for a vote She has a history of anti-gay bias and bigotry 3 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
candide Posted July 21, 2022 Share Posted July 21, 2022 (edited) 2 hours ago, Mac Mickmanus said: Yes, and I posted another link to show that , that didnt seem to work . Here is another link from the U.K Gov to show E.U inflation is currently 9.6 % (Which is higher than the U.K's) UK inflation, as measured by the CPI, was 9.4% in the year to June, EU inflation was 9.6% in June, up from 8.8% in May. E https://commonslibrary.parliament.uk/research-briefings/sn02794/ You are right about the EU and UK figures. However, is it a relevant comparison? Most EU countries with a higher inflation than UK (and affect the average rate) are less developed countries located in Eastern Europe. They have different economic conditions and are also more affected by the war in Ukraine. The other most developed countries have a lower inflation rate than UK (except for Belgium and Spain): France, Germany, Italy, Austria, etc... https://tradingeconomics.com/country-list/inflation-rate?continent=europe Edited July 21, 2022 by candide I forgot the link Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mac Mickmanus Posted July 21, 2022 Share Posted July 21, 2022 7 minutes ago, candide said: You are right about the EU and UK figures. However, is it a relevant comparison? Most EU countries with a higher inflation than UK (and affect the average rate) are less developed countries located in Eastern Europe. They have different economic conditions and are also more affected by the war in Ukraine. The other most developed countries have a lower inflation rate than UK (except for Belgium and Spain): France, Germany, Italy, Austria, etc... Well all the Developed E.U Countries have a higher inflation rate than the U.K .................except for Belgium and Spain.......................and Ireland..........and the Netherlands .and Luxembourg . 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
candide Posted July 21, 2022 Share Posted July 21, 2022 (edited) 14 minutes ago, Mac Mickmanus said: Well all the Developed E.U Countries have a higher inflation rate than the U.K .................except for Belgium and Spain.......................and Ireland..........and the Netherlands .and Luxembourg . Ireland, Netherlands and Luxemburg are also below UK. Sorry I forgot the link in the unedited post https://tradingeconomics.com/country-list/inflation-rate?continent=europe Edited July 21, 2022 by candide 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mac Mickmanus Posted July 21, 2022 Share Posted July 21, 2022 6 minutes ago, candide said: Not in my source (sorry I forgot to put the link). They are also below UK. https://tradingeconomics.com/country-list/inflation-rate?continent=europe These are the latest figures , your figures are a bit dated chrome-extension://efaidnbmnnnibpcajpcglclefindmkaj/https://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/documents/2995521/14644638/2-19072022-AP-EN.pdf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
candide Posted July 21, 2022 Share Posted July 21, 2022 (edited) 15 minutes ago, Mac Mickmanus said: These are the latest figures , your figures are a bit dated chrome-extension://efaidnbmnnnibpcajpcglclefindmkaj/https://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/documents/2995521/14644638/2-19072022-AP-EN.pdf Ok. It remains that the EU rate is affected by Eastern Europe, which is not comparable to UK. Edited July 21, 2022 by candide 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chomper Higgot Posted July 21, 2022 Share Posted July 21, 2022 2 hours ago, The Hammer2021 said: The usual scurrilous slander against a political opponent who fails to succumb to woke idiocy. She is not anti gay nor does she wish to reintroduced section 28. That hysteria. But she and other adults wish to limit wish give parents the right to examine the sex education curriculum which currently is promoting a hard line trans ideology. Kami Badenoch is a black woman who does not conform to the socialist idea of how a black woman should behave. She's BRILLIANT She’s been ditched. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Mac Mickmanus Posted July 21, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted July 21, 2022 17 minutes ago, candide said: Ok. It remains that the EU rate is affected by Eastern Europe, which is not comparable to UK. Yes, but generally, the U.Ks inflation figures are roughly the same as most other E.U Nations , about 70 % of Countries have an inflation figure of between 8 % and 12 & and the UK is in the middle of those . Which shows that Brexit isnt the cause of the U.K's economic problems 3 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TropicalGuy Posted July 21, 2022 Share Posted July 21, 2022 3 hours ago, The Hammer2021 said: It's now two Or maybe 3 if Bojo added under “ section 17” appeal by Tory Party ????Bojo would win by landslide ….???? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TropicalGuy Posted July 21, 2022 Share Posted July 21, 2022 45 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said: She’s been ditched. Along with the far inferior Mordaunt 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post TropicalGuy Posted July 21, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted July 21, 2022 2 hours ago, SatEng said: She got caught out in an anti-LBGT rant and would not support same-sex marriage when it came up for a vote She has a history of anti-gay bias and bigotry She is simply an anti - nonsense / anti- radical conservative in fact then, not “bigoted” so fine by me, having views like 90% UK. Just not ready for PM but very good show & popular with LOTS of very smart people. ???? 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TropicalGuy Posted July 21, 2022 Share Posted July 21, 2022 3 hours ago, stevenl said: The very essence of democracy? When a leader steps down due to a lack of support a general election should be held. No. It should not ????country elected a Party on its Policies not its Leader. We are not quite a Presidential Democracy yet???? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TropicalGuy Posted July 21, 2022 Share Posted July 21, 2022 4 hours ago, Bluespunk said: Duh! I know how it’s done. I am questioning the idea that it is not relevant who votes in the next pm, not the process. Do try to keep up. Since Tory PARTY Elected to Power, Tory PARTY Removes & Replaces PM. Nobody else. It isn’t rocket science ???? 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Chomper Higgot Posted July 21, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted July 21, 2022 16 minutes ago, TropicalGuy said: No. It should not ????country elected a Party on its Policies not its Leader. We are not quite a Presidential Democracy yet???? And yet we now have two candidates for PM promising policies which were not in their Party’s manifesto at the last election. 4 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TropicalGuy Posted July 21, 2022 Share Posted July 21, 2022 8 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said: This Government came to power promising green and sunny pastures. The reality is they have delivered poverty, a cost of living crisis, inflation, corruption and ineptitude. While entertaining the Tory leadership battle, is nothing but rearranging the deck chairs. Non- tories are clearly irresponsible out- of - touch unelectable loons so out of power now for 12 years …..and counting. ???????????? 2 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Chomper Higgot Posted July 21, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted July 21, 2022 54 minutes ago, Mac Mickmanus said: Yes, but generally, the U.Ks inflation figures are roughly the same as most other E.U Nations , about 70 % of Countries have an inflation figure of between 8 % and 12 & and the UK is in the middle of those . Which shows that Brexit isnt the cause of the U.K's economic problems Except it’s not just inflation. Growth? Inward investment? 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TropicalGuy Posted July 21, 2022 Share Posted July 21, 2022 2 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said: And yet we now have two candidates for PM promising policies which were not in their Party’s manifesto at the last election. Nor was Covid. Policies change. That’s politics for ya !???? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chomper Higgot Posted July 21, 2022 Share Posted July 21, 2022 2 minutes ago, TropicalGuy said: Nor was Covid. Policies change. That’s politics for ya !???? Tories stabbing each other in the back and accusing each other of being ‘socialists’. Now that’s politics for you. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TropicalGuy Posted July 21, 2022 Share Posted July 21, 2022 1 minute ago, Chomper Higgot said: Tories stabbing each other in the back and accusing each other of being ‘socialists’. Now that’s politics for you. Unedifying. Though Policy “ competition” to be expected in Leader / PM competition. Tories least worst option & salvageable … unlike the rabble “ opposition”???????? 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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