Popular Post snoop1130 Posted July 19, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted July 19, 2022 On November 21st, 2019, tens of thousands of Catholics gathered at Supachalasai National Stadium to welcome Pope Francis during his historical visit to Thailand. Excitement and joy filled the air as the large crowd patiently waited to welcome their Pope and join in the papal mass. For the younger generation, it was the first time they had ever seen any pope in person since the nation’s first ever apostolic visit took place thirty-five years ago. Handheld poster flag prepared by Thai Catholics who gathered to welcome Pope Francis at his first public mass during His Holiness’ official visit to Thailand in November 2019. Source: Vatican News Pope Francis celebrating his first public mass at the National Stadium in Bangkok in November 2019. Source: Vatican News In 1984, upon his arrival in Thailand, Pope John Paul II knelt down as he disembarked from the aircraft and kissed the ground, a gesture expressing humility, love and respect for the country and its people. Then His Majesty, the present King, the then Crown Prince, welcomed the Pope and accompanied him to an audience with the then King Bhumibol Adulyadej and Queen Sirikit, the present Queen Mother. The warmth that radiated from the photograph capturing Their Majesties’ greeting Pope John Paul II became an image firmly imprinted in the memories of Catholics and non-Catholics alike in Thailand. Almost four decades later, the meeting between the present King and Queen and Pope Francis echoes not only the close bond of friendship cultivated over centuries between Thailand and the Vatican, but also speaks volumes about the monarch’s pivotal role as a unifying force and an upholder of all religions in the promotion of interfaith harmony and peaceful coexistence in Thai society. Thai Catholics gather to welcome the arrival of Pope Francis in Bangkok, November 2019. Source: MGR Online In order to better understand the present, it is vital to revisit the past. Historical evidence shows that Roman Catholicism was introduced to Thailand, formerly known as Siam, by Portuguese traders and missionaries in the mid-1500s and gained a firm foothold during the reign of King Narai of Ayutthaya. Being a professed Buddhist did not deter the benevolent ruler from giving equal attention and importance to the practice of all faiths on Thai soil. As such, Catholic missionaries were allowed to practice and preach their faith in a predominantly Buddhist kingdom. In return, they shared knowledge of sciences, mathematics, art and languages that supported the nation’s advancement. Moreover, those seeking refuge from religious persecution in their homeland were granted permission to settle in the realm. Plots of land were royally bestowed to build places of worship, schools and healthcare facilities. Since then, close-knit Catholic communities have formed and flourished, with churches at the center of their social, educational and religious lives. Nowadays there are about 380,000 Catholics in Thailand, out of a population of 66 million. The monarchs of the Chakri Dynasty and members of the royal family have continuously supported Catholics throughout the years. They exerted efforts beyond the call of duty and accorded personal attention to the Thai-Catholic community, from presiding over religious ceremonies to visiting churches and providing financial donations to academic institutions and hospitals. Such patronage has been firmly based on the shared conviction of the monarchy and the Christian church to lift the well-being of the people. Recognizing that the Christian churches can help fill the gaps in social welfare development, successive Thai sovereigns have continuously assisted various Christian charitable activities that can improve the livelihood of all Thais. When King Mongkut, the current King’s great, great grandfather, was a monk before acceding to the throne, he developed a personal friendship with the Apostolic Vicar of Eastern Siam, Jean-Baptiste Pallegoix. The royal monk taught Thai and Pali languages to the Monsignor while the latter taught English and Latin in return. This acquired proficiency in English certainly enabled King Mongkut to have access to modern knowledge that was essential for national development at that time. After his enthronement, King Mongkut forged ties with the Holy See by sending a royal letter to Pope Pius IX. His son, King Chulalongkorn, was the first monarch from a non-Christian kingdom to visit the Vatican in 1897 where he met with Pope Leo XIII. The promotion of education in the provinces was among the priorities of King Vajiravudh, a shared goal with the Christian missionary work of the early 20th century. In 1906, while still the Crown Prince, he visited the Chiang Mai Boys’ School, which was established by the American Presbyterian Mission. He graciously presided over the cornerstone laying ceremony of the new building and renamed the school “The Prince Royal’s College.” His only child, Princess Bejaratana, took the school under her patronage in 1986. Today the school remains a symbol of pioneering missionary work in northern Thailand. During his seven-decade reign, beginning in 1946, King Bhumibol Adulyadej, a brilliant visionary, indelibly steered the course of the country’s development and so developed the people’s livelihoods. On several occasions, he granted funds for charitable activities and the construction of Christian hospital buildings, such as the Bangkok Christian Hospital in Bangkok and the McCormick Hospital in Chiang Mai. Following in the footsteps of his father, His Majesty the King, Rama X, solemnly pledged to carry on these royal initiatives and projects, thus helping to ameliorate their impact for the good of the people. So the noble undertakings and selflessness of Thai royalty have retained a special place in the hearts of many Christians, continuing to inspire charitable work, such as providing homes for homeless children and underprivileged students with opportunities in education and vocational training, enabling them to be self-reliant. The special bonds between the monarchy and all religious communities in Thailand were exemplified by the royal audience of His Majesty the King during the coronation ceremony in 2019. On May 6th that year, representatives of the Roman Catholic, Presbyterian and Protestant churches, together with the Sheikhul Islam of Thailand and the Sikh community were among those who had the privilege to present their sincere greetings in person to the new monarch before he delivered his first royal address to the people after his coronation. Pope Francis meets with Somdet Phra Maha Muneewong Ariyavongsagatayana, Supreme Patriarch, at Wat Ratchabophit Sathitmahasimaram. Source: Ministry of Foreign Affairs of Thailand Pope Francis meets with priests and representatives of different religions at Chulalongkorn University Auditorium. Source: Ministry of Foreign Affairs of Thailand Thailand would not be where it is today if the monarchy did not serve as a pillar of strength and a guiding light, leading by example and wielding incomparable moral authority. The generosity, thoughtfulness and embracing of diversity extended from the sovereign have shaped the nation and countless lives. Following their monarchs, Thais have adopted a mentality of openness and mindfulness of the differences among faiths and religions, and most importantly, a profound respect for those differences. The actions of the monarchy have indeed forged connections, furthered interreligious understanding and demonstrated that, regardless of what faith we hold, we are bound together by goodwill and shared values of kindness and respect. Pope Francis arrives at the National Stadium for the Holy Mass on November 21st, 2019, with the Archbishop of Bangkok, H.E. Francis Xavier Cardinal Kriengsak Kovithavanij, seated behind him. Source: Naewna.com H.E. Francis Xavier Cardinal Kriengsak Kovithavanij received his Masters Degree, the Licentiate of Spirituality from the Pontifical Gregorian University in Rome, Italy. He was consecrated as Bishop of Nakhon Sawan on June 2nd, 2007 and installed as Archbishop of Bangkok on August 16th, 2009. His positions at the Catholic Bishop’s Conference of Thailand from 2009 to the present include President of the Episcopal Commissions for Pastoral Care of the Christians and President of the Catholic Commissions for Liturgy. In addition, Cardinal Kriengsak is a member of the Pontifical Committee for International Eucharistic Congresses. 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Popular Post OneMoreFarang Posted July 19, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted July 19, 2022 Good luck that this is only an online article and no trees were cut to print paper to print this. 4 3 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post overherebc Posted July 19, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted July 19, 2022 Lots of people say that religion has caused more deaths, more wars etc than anything else. If we didn't have any religions what would people kill each other over?? 6 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post OneMoreFarang Posted July 19, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted July 19, 2022 11 minutes ago, overherebc said: Lots of people say that religion has caused more deaths, more wars etc than anything else. If we didn't have any religions what would people kill each other over?? Ask Putin 9 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post BangkokReady Posted July 19, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted July 19, 2022 23 minutes ago, overherebc said: Lots of people say that religion has caused more deaths, more wars etc than anything else. If we didn't have any religions what would people kill each other over?? Lots of people say that, but they're generally wrong. What caused those deaths, really, is human beings' desire to kill people and take stuff from them. 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BangkokReady Posted July 19, 2022 Share Posted July 19, 2022 It's a shame that the Church of England wasn't the branch of Christianity that went out and took over so many societies. I think things would have been a little better. 2 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Dude Posted July 19, 2022 Share Posted July 19, 2022 Well, what many forget is that pretty much everything is subjective other than mathematical/scientific fact etc., even then it is up for review/discussion... that's why there is so much discourse and hate in the world, because of the "I'm right and you aren't" sort of nonsense. So many topics are subjective, from fashion, beauty, or music to right/wrong/good/bad and we can't all be right. There is no such thing as good/bad music or some woman that is more beautiful or not... it's simply subject as we all like different things/styles (and it's a good job too). The truth is an elusive concept and is, in my opinion, rather simple... it's how it's interpreted that messes everything up because of people's wants or insecurities so they can get a good bead on things and operate in their bubbles. I remember two things from Lucas' Star Wars movies that are very pertinent... one is when Yoda say "Emotion is the future" when Luke leaves to save his friends, as emotion makes you act if it is important enough for you, hence making situations happen, or creating the future. Secondly, when Obi-one says to Luke regarding Vader being his father and what he told him was true from a certain point of view, then Luke says "From a certain point of view" and Obi-one says "Many of the truths we cling on to are only true from a certain point of view". This is very true, as what you believe defines who you are and what you stand for... but it doesn't make it true, as even though I probably hold many beliefs in common with many of you, there is a massive section of the world's population that that think I'm wrong and the deviant. We can't all be right now, can we? Like I said, it's all subjective and "the truth" is a very vague concept... probably no more than a certain given set of happenings at a set time to be interpreted by whoever so as to justify their existence and bring some order to the chaos that surrounds us. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post stoner Posted July 19, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted July 19, 2022 ahahahahahaha religion 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zzaa09 Posted July 19, 2022 Share Posted July 19, 2022 57 minutes ago, overherebc said: Lots of people say that religion has caused more deaths, more wars etc than anything else. If we didn't have any religions what would people kill each other over?? Expanding empire? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post overherebc Posted July 19, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted July 19, 2022 10 minutes ago, zzaa09 said: Expanding empire? And then forcing a religion change. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
overherebc Posted July 19, 2022 Share Posted July 19, 2022 1 hour ago, BangkokReady said: Lots of people say that, but they're generally wrong. What caused those deaths, really, is human beings' desire to kill people and take stuff from them. The veneer of civilisation is very thin. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scorecard Posted July 19, 2022 Share Posted July 19, 2022 2 hours ago, overherebc said: Lots of people say that religion has caused more deaths, more wars etc than anything else. If we didn't have any religions what would people kill each other over?? Money, which brings the question is money a cause of violence, wars, deaths? Or is the problem that nowadays money is the central point / the only measure of value of pretty much everything in life and to some extend regardless of what that money is contributing to quality of life etc., and regardless of whether that money has any moral/immoral value? Could we have (globally) a diferent way to measure value/contribution, which pushes money aside? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
overherebc Posted July 19, 2022 Share Posted July 19, 2022 27 minutes ago, scorecard said: Money, which brings the question is money a cause of violence, wars, deaths? Or is the problem that nowadays money is the central point / the only measure of value of pretty much everything in life and to some extend regardless of what that money is contributing to quality of life etc., and regardless of whether that money has any moral/immoral value? Could we have (globally) a diferent way to measure value/contribution, which pushes money aside? Your last paragraph, a wonderful dream. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post ugghuggh Posted July 19, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted July 19, 2022 4 hours ago, BangkokReady said: It's a shame that the Church of England wasn't the branch of Christianity that went out and took over so many societies. I think things would have been a little better. I guess especially for young boys.. 1 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nickelbeer Posted July 19, 2022 Share Posted July 19, 2022 Not many people seem to know this, but the LM laws cover the Pope, as well as all other Monarchs worldwide. This seems to be mostly unknown, though it is plainly outlined in the law. Comments? I didn’t think so. ???? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brianthainess Posted July 20, 2022 Share Posted July 20, 2022 13 hours ago, overherebc said: Lots of people say that religion has caused more deaths, more wars etc than anything else. If we didn't have any religions what would people kill each other over?? Same Same Power to control people and their money and the land, and then continue to gain more of both, while their suffering continues. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jacko45k Posted July 20, 2022 Share Posted July 20, 2022 (edited) 1 minute ago, brianthainess said: Same Same Power to control people and their money and the land, and then continue to gain more of both, while their suffering continues. And racism..... tribal differences etc etc. I feel confident religion would have been substituted with some other cause. Religion just sought to justify it..... Edited July 20, 2022 by jacko45k 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
overherebc Posted July 20, 2022 Share Posted July 20, 2022 8 hours ago, Nickelbeer said: Not many people seem to know this, but the LM laws cover the Pope, as well as all other Monarchs worldwide. This seems to be mostly unknown, though it is plainly outlined in the law. Comments? I didn’t think so. ???? LM blue cigs seem to be in short supply lately. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
overherebc Posted July 20, 2022 Share Posted July 20, 2022 3 minutes ago, brianthainess said: Same Same Power to control people and their money and the land, and then continue to gain more of both, while their suffering continues. Does anyone know really how much the vatican is worth? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brianthainess Posted July 20, 2022 Share Posted July 20, 2022 14 hours ago, snoop1130 said: they shared knowledge of sciences, mathematics, art and languages that supported the nation’s advancement. That went well then for some. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wrwest Posted July 20, 2022 Share Posted July 20, 2022 15 hours ago, overherebc said: Lots of people say that religion has caused more deaths, more wars etc than anything else. If we didn't have any religions what would people kill each other over?? "Imagine ..." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoshowJones Posted July 20, 2022 Share Posted July 20, 2022 16 hours ago, BangkokReady said: Lots of people say that, but they're generally wrong. What caused those deaths, really, is human beings' desire to kill people and take stuff from them. Putin again springs to mind. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
schweizer Posted July 20, 2022 Share Posted July 20, 2022 (edited) 16 hours ago, overherebc said: Lots of people say that religion has caused more deaths, more wars etc than anything else. If we didn't have any religions what would people kill each other over?? When it comes to death I would say disease and viruses would give War a good run for its money, when you take into account the plagues, Spanish Flu, COVID, then start with cancer etc Edited July 20, 2022 by schweizer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brianthainess Posted July 20, 2022 Share Posted July 20, 2022 4 hours ago, overherebc said: Does anyone know really how much the vatican is worth? Ask the Swiss, They Guard it . But wouldn't be Hilarious if their "Saviour" returned and claimed it all for himself ???????? 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FritsSikkink Posted July 20, 2022 Share Posted July 20, 2022 17 hours ago, OneMoreFarang said: Ask Putin Ask the USA, 200 years of nonstop war and genocide of indigenous people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
overherebc Posted July 20, 2022 Share Posted July 20, 2022 (edited) 41 minutes ago, brianthainess said: Ask the Swiss, They Guard it . But wouldn't be Hilarious if their "Saviour" returned and claimed it all for himself ???????? First he would go to the bank and kick over all the desks or would that be in the main house in the vatican? Edited July 20, 2022 by overherebc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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proton Posted July 20, 2022 Share Posted July 20, 2022 18 hours ago, BangkokReady said: It's a shame that the Church of England wasn't the branch of Christianity that went out and took over so many societies. I think things would have been a little better. Well the British Empire founded America and ruled over 25% of the earth, so they did try. Henry the 8th had the right idea, the first brexit fan. <deleted> papism. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
proton Posted July 20, 2022 Share Posted July 20, 2022 1 hour ago, FritsSikkink said: Ask the USA, 200 years of nonstop war and genocide of indigenous people. Don't romanticise the indigenous, they were into slaughtering each other, slavery and even human sacrifice long before Europeans turned up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jak2002003 Posted July 20, 2022 Share Posted July 20, 2022 23 minutes ago, proton said: Don't romanticise the indigenous, they were into slaughtering each other, slavery and even human sacrifice long before Europeans turned up. Yeah...but not of the scale of the invaders ...they were no way wiping themselves out or destroying their societies, beliefs or the environment. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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